Origins of the Ghilzai tribe?

[Midnight_Sun]

The Pathans by Caroe should be somewhere in the kitabtoon.

Be forewarned though, I have read this book and found it very biased towards the creation of Pakistan, anti-Afghanistan, and pro-British India.

Only the first 2/3rds of the book have good factual evidence of the origins of the Pashtuns. He also attests all the different theories of the 20th century regarding the Afghans.

[Kushan Prince]

So it's settled than the Ghilzai's were pashtuns all along and were very much related to other pashtun tribes as you mentioned.

[Midnight_Sun]

So it's settled than the Ghilzai's were pashtuns all along and were very much related to other pashtun tribes as you mentioned.

Very much related, Genetically, historically, geographically, and culturally.

[Kushan Prince]

Mullah Omar , an ethnic Ghilzai has a few mongoloid looking features, if you kind of look at it.

[Tjanaparh]

Mullah Omar , an ethnic Ghilzai has a few mongoloid looking features, if you kind of look at it.

He looks a bit like an Uyghur

[Midnight_Sun]

That's not Mullah Omar, that's Mullah Daudullah I believe.

[TolloAfghanSpinDai]

Isn't this mullah omar? And he has two eyes, not 1, probably his eye was hurt, or a glass eye.

[Midnight_Sun]

Aryan Sakazai

The one on the left is said to be Mullah Omar, the one on the right is not Mullah Omar.

[Kushan Prince]

Midnight

can you post those book you mentioned as soon as possible on the kitaboon section? I am interested in reading them.

[Kushan Prince]

That's not Mullah Omar, that's Mullah Daudullah I believe.

You are right, its Daudullah. He looks mixed with hazara and belongs to the kakar tribe.

[Midnight_Sun]

Midnight

can you post those book you mentioned as soon as possible on the kitaboon section? I am interested in reading them.

You want book references on Kitabtoon or the entire book? They are real books, not digital ones.

[Kushan Prince]

You want book references on Kitabtoon or the entire book? They are real books, not digital ones.

References I guess.

[Toramana]

we're certainly not natives to Afghanistan

I'm a Hotak Ghilzai

Really, news for me. I thought you were someone from Ibn-i-Abbas.

[Midnight_Sun]

Here's an excerpt I wrote once for someone else about the Khalaj:

Here is some more information on the Khalaj from Clifford Edmond Bosworth:

"...Turkish ethnic elements had been established in eastern Afghanistan for some time, perhaps for several centuries. Marquart visualized the whole of this region as once held by first the Kushans and then by the Ephthalites or White Huns, the Sveta Huna of the Hindus and the Haital (more correctly, *Habtal) or Hayatila of the Arab historians. He believed that it retained in the early Islamic period a strong Ephtalite ethnic flavour, and connected the very name 'Zabulistan' with an Epthalite tribe, the Jauvla, Jabula, or Jabuvlah, known from northern Indian inscriptions. The Oghuz and Khalaj Turks, who in early Islamic period nomadised from Tukharistan and Badakhshan in the north down to Bust, would thus be the remnants of Turkish peoples brought from north of the Oxus as part of the Ephtalite confederation that then left behind in eastern Afghanistan. Marquart's theory is by no means certain, although Frye and Sayili have recently followed him. Yet there is no doubt about their existence there in pre-Ghaznavid times. At the opening of the 9th century, the Kabulshah had to send an annual tribute of 2000 Oghuz slaves to the governor of Khurasan, 'Abdallah b. Tahir. In the Caliphate of al-Mansur Ma'n b. Za'ida as-Sulami was governor of Sistan, and he received from the Zunbil at his winter capital of ar-Rukhaj [Arochosia/Kandahar] the customary tribute of camels and Turkish felt tents and slaves. The Zunbil is said to have had a bodyguard from the local Turks, at-Turk-ad-Dawari. Istakhri says that up to his own time, the Khalaj of Zamindawar had kept their Turkish customs, external appearance and language. The Khalaj survived as an ethnic unity for several more centuries; they were subdued by Sebuktigin and recruited into his army ; they formed an important element in the armies of the Ghaznavids, Ghurids and Khwarizmshahs; they were the progenitors of the Lodi Kings of Delhi (1451-1526); and their name probably survives today in that of the modern Ghilzai Afghans. Some form of authority was excercised over these nomads in the 10th century by the Samanid central government; the youthful Sebuktigin was once sent by his master Alptigin in a military force to collect the customary taxes from the Khalaj and Turkmens."

Ghaznavids: Part 1: The Empire under Mahmud, Section 2: The establishment of Sebuktigin in Ghazna: pg. 271-272.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Really, news for me. I thought you were someone from Ibn-i-Abbas.

really that's ironic; because I thought you were some tam thor punjabi