Are Pashtuns related to Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats?

[Kushan Prince]

why is it surprising? afghanistan is right beside south asia, also indus valley civilization extended to afghanistan. It's not like afghans will have 0% south asian in them, that is impossible. But 19% is just for those three samples, the real percentage of over all population could be lower. I didn't say Middle east

You said "middle eastern included" in the other post. I mean look at Yemeni Arabs, some of them are mixed with Africans but 78% of them are J1 and show hardly no African admixture yet Arabia borderlines with Africa. And I am not saying some Pashtuns won't show south Asian in them, but 19% is a bit too high. Something like 5 to 10% sounds more realistic, not to mention Pashtuns have a strict code of marrying within their own as apposed to other people. If we didn't, you would see vast contribution to the Pashtun gene pool from Greeks, Mongols, Arabs, Persian etc.

Anyways culture language, genetics and looks is enough to prove we are different people.

[Karachi]

You said "middle eastern included" in the other post. I mean look at Yemeni Arabs, some of them are mixed with Africans but 78% of them are J1 and show hardly no African admixture yet Arabia borderlines with Africa. And I am not saying some Pashtuns won't show south Asian in them, but 19% is a bit too high. Something like 5 to 10% sounds more realistic, not to mention Pashtuns have a strict code of marrying within their own as apposed to other people. If we didn't, you would see vast contribution to the Pashtun gene pool from Greeks, Mongols, Arabs, Persian etc.

Anyways culture language, genetics and looks is enough to prove we are different people.

Middle eastern is included in the (west eurasian) genetics. actually the Indus valley folks were probably related to the Mesopotamian people, at least the latest research is showing that. In ancient times, the population of the world was so small that almost everyone mingled with each other. This is also the reason afghans do show south asian in them, I agree that in recent history, the gene flow from south asia towards afghanistan is probably almost nothing, it is the other way around mostly, from afghanistan to south asia

[Karachi]

Afghanistan isn't right beside South Asia, it's IN South Asia.
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geography is a different term. culture, language, looks, history wise it's not. In fact, if you forget the modern boundaries of nations, even northern and western pakistan isn't technically part of south asia. how are kalash, dardic or even kashmiries south asians?

I think south asia begins, as soon as you hit Punjab, which is part of the Indian plains

[Kushan Prince]

Middle eastern is included in the (west eurasian) genetics. actually the Indus valley folks were probably related to the Mesopotamian people, at least the latest research is showing that. In ancient times, the population of the world was so small that almost everyone mingled with each other. This is also the reason afghans do show south asian in them, I agree that in recent history, the gene flow from south asia towards afghanistan is probably almost nothing, it is the other way around mostly, from afghanistan to south asia

Makes sense now. Thanks for your insight on the topic brother.

[Khilji]

what pashtun wishes they were related to some bottom feeding eastern euros? (the non muslim ones, at least)

lol come on i like these funny threads
and i dont believe that pashtuns realy think they are related to those bosnia croat serb guys

[Apollyon]

why is it surprising? afghanistan is right beside south asia, also indus valley civilization extended to afghanistan. It's not like afghans will have 0% south asian in them, that is impossible. But 19% is just for those three samples, the real percentage of over all population could be lower. I didn't say Middle east

Furthermore, BATWING results indicate that the Afghan populations split from Iranians, Indians and East Europeans at about 10.6 kya (95% CI 7,100–15,825), which marks the start of the Neolithic revolution and the establishment of the farming communities. In addition, Pashtun split first from the rest of the Afghans around 4.7 kya (95% CI 2,775–7,725), which is a date marked by the rise of the Bronze Age civilizations of the region.
..These dates suggest that the differentiation of the social systems in Afghanistan could have been driven by the emergence of the first urban civilizations. However, the dates suggested by BATWING should be treated with care, since BATWING does not model gene flow and differential assimilation of incoming migrations.

..A previous study on Pakistan [39], that included ethnic groups also present in Afghanistan (Baluch, Hazara, Pashtun), showed that Y-chromosome variation was structured by geography and not by ethnic affiliation. With the exception of Hazara, all ethnic groups in Pakistan were shown to have similar Y-chromosome diversity, they clustered with South Asians, and they are close to Middle Eastern males.

..In addition, the three Afghans that identified their ethnicity as Arab, had lineages autochthonous to India.

MDS and Barrier analysis have identified a significant affinity between Pashtun, Tajik, North Indian, and West Indian populations, creating an Afghan-Indian population structure that excludes the Hazaras, Uzbeks, and the South Indian Dravidian speakers

PLOS ONE: Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage Structured by Historical Events


The paki pashtuns in the old study had mixed with Dravidian s or Punjabi half breed's who probably volunteered for couple bucks in that study to twart the Pashtun-Aryan history. Pakistan a fatherless child when the aid from Usa comes to and end their troubles are around the corner.

Pashtuns are not Dravidian let alone carry 19% garbage in their DNA, some might have took slave women from the Indians hence their mixed blood.
Pashtuns from Mountainous regions are closer to Irani and vise versa which include the ancient Eurasian Aryan's Kurds Irani Pashtun, many pashtuns are 100% Eurasian.

The damage caused by mixing of the races is a threat to the greater white race. A white person should be proud of his history without the subjugation of none white's. None whites celebrate and have holidays the time has come for white holidays.

The Old study is invalidated by Pashtuns of Afghanistan which provide the first evidence by genetics, show a closer relation to Caucasians-Europoids, and White people than anything to do with Sudanese South Indians or the half breed Pakis.

The etymological view supported by numerous noted scholars is that the name Afghan evidently derives from Sanskrit Aśvakas, q.v. the Assakenoi of Arrian.[24This view was propounded by scholars like Christian Lassen,[25] J. W. McCrindle,[26] M. V. de Saint Martin,[27] and É. Reclus,[28] and has been supported by numerous modern scholars.[29][30][31][32][33] In Sanskrit, the word ashva (Iranian aspa, Prakrit assa) means "horse", and ashvaka (Prakrit assaka) means "horseman",[34] "horse people",[35] "land of horses",[36] as well as "horse breeders".[37] Pre-Christian times knew the people of the Hindukush region as Ashvakas (horsemen), since they raised a fine breed of horses and had a reputation for providing expert cavalrymen. The 5th-century-BCE Indian grammarian Pāṇini calls them Ashvakayana[38] and Ashvayana.[39][40] Mahabharata mentions them as Ashvaka(na). Classical writers, however, use the respective equivalents Aspasioi (or Aspasii, Hippasii) and Assakenoi (or Assaceni/Assacani, Asscenus) etc. The Aspasioi/Assakenoi (Ashvakas = Cavalrymen) is stated to be another name for the Kambojas of ancient texts because of their equestrian characteristics.[41] Alexander Cunningham and a few other scholars identify these designations with the modern name Afghan.[42]

...Among Aryan languages Pashto is an independent language in the Indo-Iranian branch of languages. Based on a large number of lexicon and historical reasons we do not consider it either belonging to the Iranian or indian languages. If we consider a branch of the Bactrian languages to be linked to the Indian and Iranian languages and sounds Pashto will fall into this category. Pashto has been spoken in this region since the dispersal of Aryan tribes started to the east and west nearly 5000 years ago. This area has acted as a crossroad between India, Iran and Turkistan with trade goods passing through it. It lies on the famous silk route and it provided a passage to conquerors in quest of expanding their empires. Because of its location Pashtuns had ties with their neighbors to the east, west and north. The Aryan tribes arrived here from the north crossing the Oxus river and their agricultural period started here. They called their original land Arya Vega and this word exists in Pashto until the present time. This is a stark sign which shows the oldness of the language and its influence on Aryan life and style of living. When the Aryan tribes moved to India and Iran and started their historical period we see the old Pashtun name Pakhat in Veda and Avesta books. The names of their leaders, places and cultural sites, their old songs, religious periods and names of former gods and narrations have been mentioned in a way as though they were part of Aryan life and civilization. They called the eastern lands which they annexed, i.e. northern India, Arya Warsha. This is the Pashto arya warsha which means the pastures of Aryan people.

In Ancient Aryan books, Veda, Avesta, Mahabaharat and Pahlavi books we come across words which shows us the ancient literary essence of Pashto during the old times. In Old Persian inscriptions, carved on the face of a rock in the Baghistan (Beistoon) mountain during the time of the Achaemenian king Darius (522-486 B.C.), we come across a ballad which with little change is strikingly Pashto. The king on one of the tablets writes:
Original Pashto
ne arika ahum na yae arreki yam
ne drau jana ahum na yae dawra jan wam
ne zura ka ra hum na yae zora krruney wam
ne adam ne zami tuma na za na me tomana
au paari arashtam au pari yaam[i] da reshtya lapara (yam) waprei


Closeness of Aryan Languages
BACTRIAN ORIGIN - Ancient history of Indo-Europeans

Historic Pashtun fortress

A rare historical photo of a Pashtun fighter..
History bares irrefutable testimony that the Pashtun is hardwired for aggression and his immutable code of ethics; Pakhtunwali, morally equips him with the temperament of a rabid pit bull on steroids. The Pashtun is obligated by Pakhtunwali to avenge any wrong that has ever been done to him, and that does mean ever.

Don't mind the title below, new whites are learning about us Ancient Arians.

Afghanistan – the Shadow of Evil | Veterans Today


All whites share a common ancestory from the Kurgan region, the direction they took they brought their ancient Aryan traditions. Afghanistan advanced in ancient times beyond Europe and established its home as the center for Aryans, now it is the opposite, Europe has advanced and Afghanistan has been subject of Invasions from non Aryans.

Afghanistan resides on Eurasian continental plate, not Indian plate. North Indians are a result of conquering Aryans mixed blood unlike majority Pashtuns who are closer to Eurasian-Iranic. Dravidian's were not first to reside in ancient Ariana or Afghanistan, this theory are spread by Hindus who deny the Arian Invasion.

Pashtuns, Europeans, Europoids (Caucasian race in general) are closer to another by language, blood and ancient Aryan history, one common ancestory to take part in dirty Pakistan or aborginal history anti pashtu anti white anti Afghanistan, why would you want to be called Paki by associating with them or lower cast people, they are never your ally or friend?

Hardly representing the majory Aryan Pashtuns.... not by history, language or blood! Any Pashtun that considers him or herself as Paki or South Asian is mislead and needs immediate rehabilitation.

[Karachi]

^ There is no such thing as aryan race, you are living in the past, even if you disregard the (south asian) in the Afghan genetics, you will still find rest of their dna as very mixed. It is common sense, Afghanistan has been on the cross roads of so many empires, so obviously their dna will also be mixed, there is nothing offensive or wrong about it. It is just the way it is.

Also Dravidian is a language term not a racial term. No body is saying that Pashtuns are Dravidian, but the fact remains that the most ancient dna is still found in the region, not just among pashtuns, but all the people living in the region, be it baloch, Kalash, Dardic, Kashmiries and even Iranians. The West Eurasians groups came much later.

These tests are conducted my international teams, in fact most of the samples are actually given by the individuals themselves to these teams, so chances of them being corrupted are highly unlikely.

[Kushan Prince]

^ There is no such thing as aryan race, you are living in the past, even if you disregard the (south asian) in the Afghan genetics, you will still find rest of their dna as very mixed. It is common sense, Afghanistan has been on the cross roads of so many empires, so obviously their dna will also be mixed, there is nothing offensive or wrong about it. It is just the way it is.

Also Dravidian is a language term not a racial term. No body is saying that Pashtuns are Dravidian, but the fact remains that the most ancient dna is still found in the region, not just among pashtuns, but all the people living in the region, be it baloch, Kalash, Dardic, Kashmiries and even Iranians. The West Eurasians groups came much later.

These tests are conducted my international teams, in fact most of the samples are actually given by the individuals themselves to these teams, so chances of them being corrupted are highly unlikely.

It may have been on the crossroads for a lot of invasions, but none of the invaders actually settled there let alone mix with the local population. Afghanistan was a hell haven area back then, nobody wanted to deal with the warlike tribes there let alone mix with them. Oh and not to mention the indus river is pracitcly the border between iranians and indics created by god. Kind of like how the red sea seperates Africa from the middle east.

I stil call BS on the indian thing.

[Apollyon]

^ There is no such thing as aryan race, you are living in the past, even if you disregard the (south asian) in the Afghan genetics, you will still find rest of their dna as very mixed. It is common sense, Afghanistan has been on the cross roads of so many empires, so obviously their dna will also be mixed, there is nothing offensive or wrong about it. It is just the way it is.

Also Dravidian is a language term not a racial term. No body is saying that Pashtuns are Dravidian, but the fact remains that the most ancient dna is still found in the region, not just among pashtuns, but all the people living in the region, be it baloch, Kalash, Dardic, Kashmiries and even Iranians. The West Eurasians groups came much later.

These tests are conducted my international teams, in fact most of the samples are actually given by the individuals themselves to these teams, so chances of them being corrupted are highly unlikely.

Amateurish response.

A scientific publication calls "indo-aryan by reference to geographic region and links it linguistically. Further more after all the overwhelming evidence you want to deny this. I guess the Farahvar, Zoroastrians did not exist either. White culture needs preservation, but it is not uprising a none white such as yourself whats you deny the Aryan communities their right of culture and history.

Clever,

South Indian possibly the most ancient in South Indian not Afghanistan or the ancient Ariana territories, how did they land in Afghanistan region?

..Some linguists believe that the Kurgans, nomadic horsemen roaming the steppes of southern Russia and the Ukraine, were the first to speak and spread a Proto-Indo-European language, some 5,000 to 10,000 years ago. Genetic data and the distribution of Indo-European speakers suggest the Kurgans, named after their distinctive burial mounds, may have been descendents of M17. Today a large concentration—around 40 percent—of the men living from the Czech Republic across the steppes to Siberia, and south throughout Central Asia are descendants of this clan. In India, around 35 percent of the men in Hindi-speaking populations carry the marker, whereas the M17 frequency in neighboring communities of Dravidian speakers is only about ten percent. T

his distribution adds weight to linguistic and archaeological evidence suggesting that a large migration from the Asian steppes into India occurred within the last 10,000 years. The marker is found in only five to ten percent of Middle Eastern men. This is true even in M17 Iranian populations where Farsi, a major Indo-European language, is spoken. Despite the low frequency, the distribution of men carrying the marker in Iran provides a striking example of how M17 climate conditions, the spread of language, and the ability to identify specific markers can combine to tell the story of the migration patterns of individual genetic lineages. In the western part of the country, descendants of the Indo-European Clan are few, encompassing perhaps five to ten percent of the men. However, on the eastern side, around 35 percent of the men carry the marker. This M17 distribution suggests that the great Iranian deserts presented a formidable barrier and prevented much interaction between the two groups

Dravidian language and or race is isolated to southern India and possile Southern Neighbors.

http://www.sfu.ca/~hedberg/Olaf_Mykleby_DNA.pdf


Over 40 million Pashtuns, a small sample size considering the geography and isolation?

You may find your answer on the following thread.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashtun-history/26120.htm
PLOS ONE: Afghan Hindu Kush: Where Eurasian Sub-Continent Gene Flows Converge

..Y-DNA haplogroup R may be the most numerous Y-DNA in the world today. It is the most prominent haplogroup in Europe at ~50% and the United States at ~42%. The origin Haplogroup R is located in Central to West Asia,

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