Pashtun / Pashtunistan flags?

[TolloAfghanSpinDai]

why do you have to bring jatt/sikh punjabi in every sort of discussion? your are obviously bharti, jatt apache, Musa jatt etc...

Because Punjabis are the most prevalent or commonly seen ethnic group in Pakistan? and in the diaspora??? BTW, not all PAkistani Punjabis are Jatts that i am againts. This includes the Punjabis who claim descent from Arabs, not jat/rajputs (like Awans, Arains,Syyeds,Shaikhs,Quereshis). I don't like Punjabi Punjabis, nor do i like Arab Punjabis, all are devils running PAkistan. Who the hell are Hindkowans calling themselves Punjabi Pathans, the ratio of punjabiness betwen being punjabi, pathan and arab is same in them. Mohajirs of Karachi are just a hodgepodge of hindi speaking peoples.

[TolloAfghanSpinDai]

Because Punjabis are the most prevalent or commonly seen ethnic group in Pakistan? and in the diaspora??? BTW, not all PAkistani Punjabis are Jatts that i am againts. This includes the Punjabis who claim descent from Arabs, not jat/rajputs (like Awans, Arains,Syyeds,Shaikhs,Quereshis). I don't like Punjabi Punjabis, nor do i like Arab Punjabis, all are devils running PAkistan. Who the hell are Hindkowans calling themselves Punjabi Pathans, the ratio of punjabiness betwen being punjabi, pathan and arab is same in them. Mohajirs of Karachi are just a hodgepodge of hindi speaking peoples.

Punjabi speaking Arabs vs Punjabi speaking Punjabis, or Arab Punjabis vs Punjabi Punjabis...

In South Asia, there are two terms called "Ashrafiyyah" and "Nau Musulman" and applies to any ethnic group. Nau Musulman means people who's ancestors were recent converts to Islam from anothe religion while Ashrafiyyah means people who's ancestors were muslims since the 700 AD period. Pashtuns, Persians and Turks are not arab but are considered Ashrafiyyah because they became muslim when ISlam spread in central asia, well PErsians were forced converted, but Turks and other central sians just went with being muslim.

LoL, I consider Pakistan just like Yugoslavia. Yugoslavs and Punjabis are like twins, only difference being pigmentation. Some parts of christian yugoslavia and nothern albania, they had this pre-christian marriage system of exogamy which was alot like what the Kshatriyahs used, however today this marriage system is obsolete. It was like a Serb/Punjabi belonging to a clan but had to marry out of their clan.

[Karachi]

Punjabi speaking Arabs vs Punjabi speaking Punjabis, or Arab Punjabis vs Punjabi Punjabis...

In South Asia, there are two terms called "Ashrafiyyah" and "Nau Musulman" and applies to any ethnic group. Nau Musulman means people who's ancestors were recent converts to Islam from anothe religion while Ashrafiyyah means people who's ancestors were muslims since the 700 AD period. Pashtuns, Persians and Turks are not arab but are considered Ashrafiyyah because they became muslim when ISlam spread in central asia, well PErsians were forced converted, but Turks and other central sians just went with being muslim.

LoL, I consider Pakistan just like Yugoslavia. Yugoslavs and Punjabis are like twins, only difference being pigmentation. Some parts of christian yugoslavia and nothern albania, they had this pre-christian marriage system of exogamy which was alot like what the Kshatriyahs used, however today this marriage system is obsolete. It was like a Serb/Punjabi belonging to a clan but had to marry out of their clan.

Yugoslavs and punjabis? punjabis are more similar to tamils than they are too any yugoslav, stop being ashamed of who you are. an average punjabi is just simply plain indian looking, to an outsider there will be hardly any difference between a punjabi or Bengali. They all look the same with minor differences and indeed that is true

[Shehbaz Khan]

Depends on how you define Pakistan.

Simple, I define Pakistan the way it appears on the map of the world today.

[Shehbaz Khan]

What makes you think your Pakistani, if you were born in NWFP, know that your land used to be part of Afghanistan 120 years ago, depening on the birth of soil of you and your parents etc., The kingdom, then republic of Afghanistan and the Taliban think you are Afghan not Pakistani.

I don't want to restart the debate with you! You call me ethnic Afghan I've got no problem. You call me Afghan because I'm a citizen of Afghanistan today. You're wrong. I'm a citizen of Pakistan and an ethnic Afghan.

Pakistani isn't a cast! It's a Nationality. You can be a Pakhtun and a Britain National at the same time. Why can't you be a Pakhtun/Afghan/Pashtun and be a Pakistani National at the same time?

[Shehbaz Khan]

Most of these pashtuns in Pakistan are refugees who escaped from Afghanistan during the soviet war.

Really? And before that war there were no Pakhtuns in Pakistan? The majority lived here. How many would have taken refugees?

[torkham]

Torsurzarghon is good. In fact with the gold mirhab o mimber and takbeer, it is perfect.

[torkham]

There was a time i heard that the pathan always said i am pathan (or pashtun or afghan) first and then i am pakistani. What happened to that pathan?

Note: i use the word pathan to identify pashtun pakistan. I am aware what KKK said about afghan and pashtun being one.

[Michin Khel]

Like shehbaz khan said pakistani is a nationality, two third of all pashtuns are pakistanis by nationality. But one has to agree with leavanay zalmay that state of pakistan, its ideology itself has nothing to do with pashtuns, pashtunism, infact it thrives on weakening it.

[KGODB]

Pakistan has nothing to do with either Pashto or Pashtuns.

Pakistan was a country created for Indian Muslims, pashtuns east of the durand were Indians, hence they are Pakstani

Like it or not, it is what it is

[KGODB]

I don't want to restart the debate with you! You call me ethnic Afghan I've got no problem. You call me Afghan because I'm a citizen of Afghanistan today. You're wrong. I'm a citizen of Pakistan and an ethnic Afghan.

Pakistani isn't a cast! It's a Nationality. You can be a Pakhtun and a Britain National at the same time. Why can't you be a Pakhtun/Afghan/Pashtun and be a Pakistani National at the same time?

Because being British for a Paashtun is simply an administrative label, whereas Pakistan is for Indian Muslims

Now if you as a Pashtun in Pakistan will acknowledge you are an Indian Muslim, thn I will accept that you are Pakistani Pashtun

Admit it, own it, love it

You are an Indian Muslim

[jojeekhan]

pashtoon har khuwa pashtoon v, it doesn't matter if i have British nationality or Pakistani nationality. nationality have nothing to do with my pukhtoonwali !

[jojeekhan]

dont mix nationality with CAST !!!

[MostafaM]

When I read Shadibaz´s postings, I ask myself since when Pashtuns have become obsessed with being part of something that denies their Pashtun identity while hating on self-determination and freedom.

Paki propaganda has created some nice shadibaz zombies.....

Just sad.


....more Pashtuns live on Pakistani-occupied soil but I would be dammed if all of them regarded themselves as Porkis.

I am partly from Khurram but I would rather kill myself than accepting Pakistani occupation of Afghan/Pashtun land.

Grow some ghairat, halekan.

[ډګروال]

When I read Shadibaz´s postings, I ask myself since when Pashtuns have become obsessed with being part of something that denies their Pashtun identity while hating on self-determination and freedom.

Paki propaganda has created some nice shadibaz zombies.....

Just sad.


....more Pashtuns live on Pakistani-occupied soil but I would be dammed if all of them regarded themselves as Porkis.

I am partly from Khurram but I would rather kill myself than accepting Pakistani occupation of Afghan/Pashtun land.

Grow some ghairat, halekan.

how ironic