Takht-i-Bahi

[JattApache]

Yes but urdu is a modern phenomena that was established at the time of the mughals and therefore irrelevant.

The " hindustani language " is very old

[AfghanResistance]

The " hindustani language " is very old

Your referring to hindi, right? Well Hindi first sprang up in around the 9 century but took another couple of hundreds of years before being established as a common language. Therefore hindi is also irrelevant to the name of the ancient place due to the massive time gap.

[Karachi]

^ muslims gave a lot to north indian culture, there is no doubt in it, but to say they were living like animals would be unfair. I mean they had structures like these even before even muslims came: http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=26396

also dont forget punjab and sindh were part of India, which had the Indus valley civilization

I think north indian culture is very heavy muslim influenced, but I think the culture of india before Islam was more like the present day Dravidian culture of south india.

[Karachi]

Your referring to hindi, right? Well Hindi first sprang up in around the 9 century but took another couple of hundreds of years before being established as a common language. Therefore hindi is also irrelevant to the name of the ancient place due to the massive time gap.

original hindi was probably like Khariboli of today which is spoken in villages of west UP and Delhi area, urdu was slowly established after the delhi sultanate. Hardcore urdu has roughly 25-30% Dari/farsi words. But the base/grammar of the language is clearly from the Khariboli language

[JattApache]

are you calling our ancesters monkies?
one thing i like about my ancesters who came into india was breaking down your idols.
Sulatna mahmud ghaznavi was probably the one did this.
when muslim came to india for the first time ,hindus were living like bunch of wild animals ,almost naked in the jungles.
Muslims gave you culture and civilisation.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization

[JattApache]

original hindi was probably like Khariboli of today which is spoken in villages of west UP and Delhi area, urdu was slowly established after the delhi sultanate. Hardcore urdu has roughly 25-30% Dari/farsi words. But the base/grammar of the language is clearly from the Khariboli language

Hindi aur urdu ke bich me itna fark hai ?

I don't think.

Urdu and hindi are sister languages but infact, there are some persian words in urdu ( like " khushamdeed " : welcome , or " hazir " etc.... )

[JattApache]

The muslim invaders influenced the hindi language and it became " urdu " : hindi with some musalman words

[Karachi]

^ the difference in hindi came when hindu nationalists decided to replace all the dari/farsi words with Sanskrit, for example when you see hindi news for example, it is very hardcore with many Sanskrit words, of course before the two languages were same

[JattApache]

so what is the problem with muslims?
Muslim taught you alot of things which you shoudl be thankful.
It were muslims who started the independence movement against the british.

No

I have many muslims friends, i have nothing against humans

I just hate extremists ( hindu sikh or muslim )