Any Nation That EVER Tried To Conquer Afghanistan NEVER Did

[khushal]

Karachi is right.I would give one example. I was reading Babur-nama, mughals came to afghanistan as outsiders after they were expelled by uzbeks from their homelands, they conquored whole present day Afghanistan under babur. But Afghanistan was just sands, stones and mountains, so mughals real target was a rich country india.

All the invaders bypassed afghanistan and attacked india for loot. They were not interested in looting dry barren stony country, those who came in their way, got killed. Even alexander the great goal was india, not afghanistan...British invaded afghanistan to teach afghans a lesson, they were not interested in occupying afghanistan. They decided to keep it as a buffer state even though they were in full position to occupy it..they sent comparitively small forces to afghanistan. But if you take example of tipu sultan's mysore, british contineously attacked it for three four decades with lakhs of forces as mysore was richest and most developed state in subcontinent at that time.

The Moghul leadership was the offspring of the mongol ghenghis khan and were decendents of mongols and turks. they bypassed afghanistan because they could not subdue the afghan tribes much like what Alexander did after trying very hard to subdue the tribes.

WE all know every invader that wanted india had to go through afghanistan. but the reason that babur succeeded where alexander failed was because babur knew of the reasoning of alexanders failure. He knew to leave afghanistan alone becasue it would cost too much to control it, it was not worth the cost.
Alexander forces were so tired in their campaign in afghanistan that he had a mutany on his hands when trying to invade panjab. they refused to go further on alexanders orders.

As far as babur thinking that afghansitan was just sands and rocks. you forget that babur resting place is afghanistan and that was his choice. It was his vacation spot. he did not want to be buried in your panjab.

[Michin Khel]

It was actually narrow belt of FATA over which no one was able to exercize complete and prolonged controle/rule. British indirectly controlled them through political agents but in their gazettears the boundry of british india ended at NWFP, present KP. FATA was not included in british india.

[Michin Khel]

The Moghul leadership was the offspring of the mongol ghenghis khan and were decendents of mongols and turks. they bypassed afghanistan because they could not subdue the afghan tribes much like what Alexander did after trying very hard to subdue the tribes.

WE all know every invader that wanted india had to go through afghanistan. but the reason that babur succeeded where alexander failed was because babur knew of the reasoning of alexanders failure. He knew to leave afghanistan alone becasue it would cost too much to control it, it was not worth the cost.
Alexander forces were so tired in their campaign in afghanistan that he had a mutany on his hands when trying to invade panjab. they refused to go further on alexanders orders.

As far as babur thinking that afghansitan was just sands and rocks. you forget that babur resting place is afghanistan and that was his choice. It was his vacation spot. he did not want to be buried in your panjab.

In baburnama he mentions that he was able to crush pashtun tribes by massacring them at large scale as they were not ready to subdue.
You forgot that mughals never leave afghanistan. Hamayun was given india and kamran mirza was given afghanistan. From babur to aurangzeb, afghanistan was always part of mughal empire...

[badmash_khel]

Luppy jan, Mughals and Safavids were always fighting over Afghanistan. eastern afghanistan was part of the mughal empire and southern and western afghanistan was part of safavid empire. Kandahar was fought over by both sides many times. nobody could really establish their authority. Do you really think mughals were able to control pashtuns, especially hill tribes suchs as wazirs, afridis, mahsud, paktiwals and so on?

Its always the case with pashtuns, that when ever invaders have come they have invaded major cities and town and then are ambushed by pashtuns from the hills and rural areas. Nobody has really been able to change the way of the pashtuns except by their own will e.g, islam.

Although i do agree that pashtuns/afghans have been defeated many times in wars and invaded.

[khushal]

I think your research will show that Afghanistan historically was conquered often and outsiders came and ruled over this land for most of its history. Even today, lets be realistic, the Americans can wipe out every living thing in Afghanistan if they wanted to within a few months, but thankfully their own public would not let them do that.

Its not their own public that are preventing them it is the moral hazard that will come after that. you must think of the cost vs the liability when you perform an action like that. Nuclear weapons have never been used except in japan and that was to show the world what the US had in their possession. They did not have to use it on japan and the result would ave been the same, japan surrendering, they could have bombed a vacated island and invited the japanese to see what kind of weapon they have.

If you think that the soviets or the amreicans had used all their nuclear arsenal on afghanistan, you think their would not be any reprecussions after that. Wiping a people out isnt conquering them it just wiping them. you can kill everyone but you cant subdue everyone.

[khushal]

It was actually narrow belt of FATA over which no one was able to exercize complete and prolonged controle/rule. British indirectly controlled them through political agents but in their gazettears the boundry of british india ended at NWFP, present KP. FATA was not included in british india.

It was the whole pashtun belt including paktia, kunar, nuristan was etremely resistance to foreign rule. The tribes in FATA kept raiding british supplies and would not listen to the afghan king who had made agreements with the brits. when the king could not exert any control over the tribes in FATA, the tribes made agreement of their own with the brits.

[khushal]

Nadir shah afshar of iran, a qizalbash turk, also ruled over Afghanistan.

you must show evidence of this. what lasting impression did they leave. invasion is not conquering. America has invaded Afghanistan but it can not control it and is desperatly looking for an exit much liek the soviets were.

[graveyardofempires]

It was the whole pashtun belt including paktia, kunar, nuristan was etremely resistance to foreign rule. The tribes in FATA kept raiding british supplies and would not listen to the afghan king who had made agreements with the brits. when the king could not exert any control over the tribes in FATA, the tribes made agreement of their own with the brits.

actually my ancesters were in pukhtunkhwa fighting the british at the time you are mentioning here.

they were all over pukhtunkhwa.

[Michin Khel]

Luppy jan, Mughals and Safavids were always fighting over Afghanistan. eastern afghanistan was part of the mughal empire and southern and western afghanistan was part of safavid empire. Kandahar was fought over by both sides many times. nobody could really establish their authority. Do you really think mughals were able to control pashtuns, especially hill tribes suchs as wazirs, afridis, mahsud, paktiwals and so on?

Its always the case with pashtuns, that when ever invaders have come they have invaded major cities and town and then are ambushed by pashtuns from the hills and rural areas. Nobody has really been able to change the way of the pashtuns except by their own will e.g, islam.

Although i do agree that pashtuns/afghans have been defeated many times in wars and invaded.

Like i said tribes of FATA (and paktia) were never subdued because they had advantage of terrain. Mughals skipped this narrow belt and ruled powerfully over both sides of this belt. Yousafzai and khattak (tribes of plain areas) rebellions against mughals were failures but pir rokhan from waziristan was able to defeat strong mughal army led by birbul, a general of emperor akbar.

[khushal]

actually my ancesters were in pukhtunkhwa fighting the british at the time you are mentioning here.

they were all over pukhtunkhwa.

The tribes of FATA and KP and the tribes that reside in afghanistan have always been involved with each other. during the brits, there were many tribes that fought agaisnt the brits that were from Afghanistan much like how you see many FATA pashtuns fighting NATO today in Afghanistan.

Luffy is an idiot reading panjabi influenced books.

[khushal]

Like i said tribes of FATA (and paktia) were never subdued because they had advantage of terrain. Mughals skipped this narrow belt and ruled powerfully over both sides of this belt. Yousafzai and khattak (tribes of plain areas) rebellions against mughals were failures but pir rokhan from waziristan was able to defeat strong mughal army led by birbul, a general of emperor akbar.

It has nothing to do with terrain but the pashtuns free spirit. Today you see some of the most vicious fighting in the plain land s of kandahar and helmand. The first british invasion ended in the biggest blunder of the british empire when over 18000 of them were killed outside of FATA and Paktia and were killed by mushrikeens that lived between kabul and jalalabad,

[Michin Khel]

you must show evidence of this. what lasting impression did they leave. invasion is not conquering. America has invaded Afghanistan but it can not control it and is desperatly looking for an exit much liek the soviets were.

He invaded india but "ruled" afghanistan. Afghanistan was administrative unit of his empire. After death of nadir shah, one of his man laid foundation of afghanistan...and if we go by your logic, then afghans hotakis short-lived and choatic rule over iran should also be considered just an "invasion".

[Michin Khel]

Luffy is an idiot reading panjabi influenced books.

You are a mature and respectable person, that should be least expected from you..

[khushal]

In baburnama he mentions that he was able to crush pashtun tribes by massacring them at large scale as they were not ready to subdue.
You forgot that mughals never leave afghanistan. Hamayun was given india and kamran mirza was given afghanistan. From babur to aurangzeb, afghanistan was always part of mughal empire...

so who was Mirwais Hotok then?

[Michin Khel]

It has nothing to do with terrain but the pashtuns free spirit. Today you see some of the most vicious fighting in the plain land s of kandahar and helmand. The first british invasion ended in the biggest blunder of the british empire when over 18000 of them were killed outside of FATA and Paktia and were killed by mushrikeens that lived between kabul and jalalabad,

I never questioned the free spirit of pashtuns of plain, they never wanted to be subdued to foriegn forces but they were at disadvantage compared to pashtuns of high mountains. Sikhs were able to defeat pashtuns of plain areas but they were never able to enter into FATA.