Request: Pashtun DNA tables

[بصير]

Hello Mr Kurd

Pashtuns are mostly R1a with some J2. However I don't know what their mtDNA is like. I would be surprised if it wasn't fairly Indic or even Turkic.

I'd say that Tajiks are descended from some kind of northern Iranic peoples and the Tajiks cultural influence upon the region is very significant.

As I'm sure you appreciate Kurds differ a great deal from region to another. Nevertheless it's fair to say that Kurds are really a mixture of Southern Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples. However they are not a Iranic, Indo-European peoples but rather Anatolian.

As in Anatolia in ancient times peoples such as the Hittites, entered Anatolia from the region north of the Black Sea and they spoke a centum, European type Indo-European branch.

Many Kurds also have a certain amount of Armenian or Assyrian ancestry. However the Armenians are really a intermediary group between Anatolians and Assyrians and they also also have ties with the Georgians. Whilst the Assyrians are a Western Asian Semitic peoples. Who have ties to the Armenians and Greeks.

It's also worth noting that the Greeks hired Celtic mercenaries to clear the Balkans of Scythians. Which is how the Galatians ended up in Anatolia and these Anatolian Celts along with many Greeks, ended up becoming Turks and Kurds.

mtDNA is irrelevant since Pashtuns are a patriarchal people, Pashtuns generally dont marry their women out so it would likely not be very diverse

[بصير]

This is 'Iraqi' Kurd DNA:

J2 - 28.4%
R1b - 16.8%
I - 16.8%
R1a - 11.6%
J1 - 11.6%
E1b1b - 7.4%
G - 4.2%
T - 3.2

It differs from Kurds in Turkey, they have more I haplogroup.

Yes, we have nearly 29% J2 (native Mesopotamian DNA) becuase that's where we live Europeans came and assimilated the natives, we were once Assyrians now we are Kurdish.

P.S: Thanks for the source.

Apparently E1b1 is also native to Mesopotamia, those values show great haplogroup diversity and the R1b value is quite surprising since that is native to Europe

[kurd123]

Apparently E1b1 is also native to Mesopotamia, those values show great haplogroup diversity and the R1b value is quite surprising since that is native to Europe

Yes.

The I in Kurds is I2a2 which is South Slavic, and the R1b is indeed native to Europe, it's 17% in Kurds from southern Kurdistan (Iraq) and it's 25% in Northern Kurds (Turkey), the northern Kurds only have 7% J2 compared to the nearly 29% in southern Kurds.

We have been living with Assyrians for thousands of years, our culture is very similar and the only thing that separates us is language and religion (although all assyrians can speak Kurdish too) and so if an Assyrian decided to convert to Islam, they eventually became Kurds.

The European DNA with in Kurds during the ottoman empire was even higher as there were other groups that lived in the region (i.e. gypsies) who were not considered to be Kurdish, they are however today mixed into the Kurdish population.

Like I said, I great deal of modern Kurds are people that were assimilated by the Europeans, during the European migration to the region, 'white' Kurds can still be found in Kurdistan, some live in villages and towns (all white village and towns) others live in bigger towns and mixed with tanned Kurds.

Went slightly off-topic here, hope you guys don't mind.

P.S: retro, thanks for your input and the reply above applies to your post too.

[یاسمینه]

Scythian, I didn't say that Wikipedia data is out of blue. References are in pubmed but the Wikipedia article has no author, has not beed reviewed etc and according to standards of writting and publishing scientific papers it can't be treated as relaible data source. Plus, Wikipedia gives the readers opportunity to edit or expand existing data. It means that everyone can modify text. In this context I wouldn't relay on Wiki data.

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Apparently E1b1 is also native to Mesopotamia, those values show great haplogroup diversity and the R1b value is quite surprising since that is native to Europe

All of Western Asia shows haplogroup diversity and that place and the Caucasus is an insane asylum.

E1b1 is Berber/Afroasiatic btw. and not from Mesopotamia. Whilst J2 is associated with Neolithic farmers from Mesopotamia. However the Greeks also distributed it around the region.

R1b and R1a aren't native to Europe, only haplogroup I is and R1b is a Anatolian/West Asian R1 branch. As Europeans are a admixture of indigenous European and West Asian peoples.

In West Eurasian you have two clusters one in Europe and the other in Western Asia. However the Near East and Southern Europe really aren't all that disconnected and the division is more cultural/political than strictly "ethnic".

The Etruscans in Italy and Minoans in crete for example where originally from Anatolian and the Black Sea and Mediterranean region are very ancient bridges between Europe and Asia.

The Phoenicians, Iberians and Egyptians where amongst the first seafaring people to colonize the Mediterranean basin. Which is partly why the Lebanese are so incredible, ethnically diverse.

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Like I said, I great deal of modern Kurds are people that were assimilated by the Europeans, during the European migration to the region, 'white' Kurds can still be found in Kurdistan, some live in villages and towns (all white village and towns) others live in bigger towns and mixed with tanned Kurds.

Went slightly off-topic here, hope you guys don't mind.

P.S: retro, thanks for your input and the reply above applies to your post too.

Assyrians are a fairly homogeneous and thay have close ties to the Armenians and Greeks. As if you ask me, most Kurds aren't originally from the Northern fertile crescent but from further south. Many the European looking Kurds are likely Anatolian/Celtic remnants like this Kurdish singer Ceylan and Kurds are unusual people.

YouTube - ‪Ceylan Wera wera Kurdish‬‏

[kurd123]

Assyrians are a fairly homogeneous and thay have close ties to the Armenians and Greeks. As if you ask me, most Kurds aren't originally from the Northern fertile crescent biut from further south. Many the European looking Kurds are likely Anatolian/Celtc remnants like this Kurdish singer Ceylan and Kurds are unusual people.

YouTube - ‪Ceylan Wera wera Kurdish‬‏

I don't understand, what do you mean 'Kurds are an unusual people'? Ceylan looks Anatolian, but not all European-looking Kurds look like her.

European migration to modern day Kurdistan began from the south Slavic people, and that is where most white Kurds come from. Anatolian are not necessarily European looking, native Anatolians are modern Turks and some Kurds.

Some example of Kurds....



The women on the left is what Anatolians look like.





There is research that was conducted during ottoman empire times in regards to Kurdish tribes that shows most Kurdish tribes had 'Nestorian' families with in them (Christians).

[Niazi]

@ Kurd 123
چوني كاكا به خير بين به پشتون فورم

look mate Pashtun aren't some sort of pure race. We have been heavily mixed with all sort ,what defer Pashtun from none Pashtuns are the way we live otherwise we all r human race kaka jan .

[kurd123]

@ Kurd 123
چوني كاكا به خير بين به پشتون فورم

look mate Pashtun aren't some sort of pure race. We have been heavily mixed with all sort ,what defer Pashtun from none Pashtuns are the way we live otherwise we all r human race kaka jan .

Off course, that is the case all over the middle east, no body is pure... and 'white' Kurds are just a minority... 20-30%.

However it's interesting to see what the DNA break down of it is, not becuase I'm racist, but rather becuase it's interesting to know and compare to other ethnic groups that are supposed to be close.

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There is research that was conducted during ottoman empire times in regards to Kurdish tribes that shows most Kurdish tribes had 'Nestorian' families with in them (Christians).

During the Ottoman empire the north-east of Anatolia (Kurdistan) was largely populated by Kurds, Assyrians and Armenians. The Hemshin people in northern Anatolia are of Armenian extraction and I know that Anatolia has quite a lot of ghosts walking around.

Kurdish is a Indo-Iranic language. However Kurds certainly aren't Iranics in a ethnic sense and are most likely from Mesopotamia. However the Hurrians had a Indo-European elite and who knows maybe in part Kurds are descended from the Hurrians.

Haplogroup I is a indigenous European Haplogroup and distantly related to J. So it most likely reached Kurdistan from the Balkans at some point. Haplogroup J, G and R1b on the other hand have all been in Western Asia for a very long time. Haplogroup J2 is associated with the neolithic expansion of agriculture and R1b tracked J's expanison all the way into Eastern Africa via the levantine corridor.

[kurd123]

During the Ottoman empire the north-east of Anatolia (Kurdistan) was largely populated by Kurds, Assyrians and Armenians. The Hemshin people in northern Anatolia are of Armenian extraction and I know that Anatolia has quite a lot of ghosts walking around.

Kurdish is a Indo-Iranic language. However Kurds certainly aren't Iranics in a ethnic sense and are most likely from Mesopotamia. However the Hurrians had a Indo-European elite and who knows maybe in part Kurds are descended from the Hurrians.

Haplogroup I is a indigenous European Haplogroup and distantly related to J. So it most likely reached Kurdistan from the Balkans at some point. Haplogroup J, G and R1b on the other hand have all been in Western Asia for a very long time. Haplogroup J2 is associated with the neolithic expansion of agriculture and R1b tracked J's expanison all the way into Eastern Africa via the levantine corridor.

The word Kurd is derived from the word Corduene.

Origins:
According to Arshak Safrastian, the Medes and Scythians mentioned in classical Greek literature existed only as preconceived notions. Equating the Carduchi with the Gutians, he adds that the moment the Ten Thousand began to skirt the lower slopes of the Hamrin Mountains, they were in contact with the tribes of Gutium which are presented here as Medes or Scythians.

Info:

19th-century scholars, such as George Rawlinson, identified Corduene and Carduchi with the modern Kurds, considering that Carduchi was the ancient lexical equivalent of "Kurdistan".This view is supported by some recent academic sources which have considered Corduene as proto-Kurdishor as equivalent to modern-day Kurdistan.

[AfghanResistance]

DNA genetic testing

Do you think its worth paying a few hundred pounds to have a DNA test for genealogy purposes? Has anyone here conducted such tests? can anyone give their feed back. was the results detailed and does it clarify things in a genealogy sense?

I am thinking of having it done. we have not had any interracial marriages and are very strict in that sense. i cant obviously speak of my ancestors hundreds and thousand of years ago but nothing in the last two hundred years lol. Im from the major tribe of the yusufzai and from a noble sub tribe. my great grandfather had the title of malak and so is now my grandfather.

personally i think afghans i.e. pashtuns. northern iranians, kurdish, turkish are probably related to some extent. These groups look very much alike and alot of the time you cant tell who is who. only an assumption though.

[Sanskrit]

^ pashtuns are more releated to northern indians and central asians, 80% of pashtun dna is a mix of north indian and central asian. The other 20% dna comes from the middle eastern groups like kurds, syrians, turkish etc...

[AfghanResistance]

northern indians

^ pashtuns are more releated to northern indians and central asians, 80% of pashtun dna is a mix of north indian and central asian. The other 20% dna comes from the middle eastern groups like kurds, syrians, turkish etc...

80% northern indians?? i dont think so pal. There has not been alot of dna tests conducted to come to that conclusion what soever. secondly the little tests that have been conducted are of little interest to us because the test have been conducted on the pathans of india, who are now very much mixed except very few. also futher few tests have been conducted on the khatak tribe. now we know that alot of khattaks marry into punjabies due to the their geographical location. plus some historians dont even believe the khattaks to be a pure stock of Afghans, they maybe some truth to this because many khattaks are dark skinned in comparison to other pukhtuns.

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The word Kurd is derived from the word Corduene.

Origins:
According to Arshak Safrastian, the Medes and Scythians mentioned in classical Greek literature existed only as preconceived notions. Equating the Carduchi with the Gutians, he adds that the moment the Ten Thousand began to skirt the lower slopes of the Hamrin Mountains, they were in contact with the tribes of Gutium which are presented here as Medes or Scythians.

Info:

19th-century scholars, such as George Rawlinson, identified Corduene and Carduchi with the modern Kurds, considering that Carduchi was the ancient lexical equivalent of "Kurdistan".This view is supported by some recent academic sources which have considered Corduene as proto-Kurdishor as equivalent to modern-day Kurdistan.

Apparently the Sumerian word for mountains is “kur”. However I don't know about the Corduene region, south of Van as it is quite far north. It's very possible that Kurds may have Hurrian origins and are originally from further south.

As whilst the Armenians are fairly closely related to Eastern Semitic, Assyrian peoples. The Armenians are fairly homogeneous and they have their own Indo-European branch.

In fact, I'd say that it's Kurds likely acquired their Indo-Iranic language from Persia. As whilst Indo-European has West Asian origins. Indo-Iranic almost certainly has Euroasiatic origins.

Whilst Assyria was a Eastern Semitic Akkadian kingdom, by no means where all of it's vassals Semitic. Urartian is closely related to Hurrian and both these peoples, had ancient ties to Indo-European and Caucasian peoples. As it's the Black Sea region where Photo-Indo-European first emerged.