Amir Dost Muhammad ( the relevance of the past with today)

[Midnight_Sun]

Barakzai, before writing more emotional propagandas and denying the truth because of persnal reasons read the following
Life of the amir Dost Mohammed Khan of Kabul: with his political proceedings towards the English, Russian and Persian governments, including the victory and disasters of the British army in Afghanistan. By Mohan Lal, esq

It´s a digitalized book about D. Muhammad and read what he wrote.

As much as I despise the two-faced, traitorous, Mohan Lal, I have to find this book. Are there any hardcover editions available?

[ScimitarXEdge]

I like how this guy makes up history as he goes; it's really quite entertaining that he can be so creative when it comes to historical facts.

[kakargirl]

Barakzai, before writing more emotional propagandas and denying the truth because of persnal reasons read the following
Life of the amir Dost Mohammed Khan of Kabul: with his political proceedings towards the English, Russian and Persian governments, including the victory and disasters of the British army in Afghanistan. By Mohan Lal, esq

It´s a digitalized book about D. Muhammad and read what he wrote.

thank you but i dont read rubbish written by rubbish writers that you can read to satisfy your self or any one else who feels thier wounds are deep.

[Michin Khel]

Salut to All Pashtun Emperors,Kings,and amir ul momineens.

amir ul momineens? Lol

[Midnight_Sun]

He means Mullah Omar.

Obviously.

[gadoonwal]

He was raised by his Kurdish Shia Alevit mother. She formed his charakter and loyality to the court and the non-Pashtun families and taught him Alevism (the Sufi branch). He just once claimed beeing a Sunni when he, ironically with the help of Shia Qazalbashs and Pashtun fanatics, attacked Hazaras in their country. This was just a claim to legitimate his attack on them. Read some real historical books. You just talk out of your emotions or because you hate Shias while there are many Shias among Pashtuns who use Taqqia (Muhammadzais, Afridis, Barakzais, Hotaks, Khowstwals (Ismaelis) ...).

Good point, except for Herati Pashtuns. They were always loyal to the Darizubans and Ismael Khan. Majority of them are against the Pashtuns of eastern Afghanistan and Kandahar-Quetta region. Have you ever talked to some of them? In Tehran there is a Pashtun community and already depashtunized. They even support the destruction of Afghanistan. These kind are the real enemies of Afghanistan. The Heratis at least support Afghanistan but these hate really Afghanistan and it´s basics. In Farah, many so called Pashtuns are actually Tajiks who just adoptet the -zai suffix for their family´s name. You can recognize them mostly that they have very good connections to NA and many times supported Ismael Khan against a Pashtun tribal leader from Hilmand. I´ve forgotten his name. They had several battles in Farah, Sistan and even in Herat. The only real Pashtuns in Farah and Herat would be those who can trace their origine to the Sadozai and Popalzai Pashtuns but even they deny mostly their Pashtun origine. Not sure why. Possibly for the same reason why many non-Pashtuns did it from the 50s to the day of Soviet´s intervene.

I read history of your babas and if you want we can go on that.
Bangash is suni pashtun tribe.
The only shai pashtun tribe is Turi of Kuram agency.A small sub-tribe of orakzais are also shai but majority orakzais are sunis.
There are small numbers of people living in bangash area belong to shai sect but their origin is not bangash.
You talk from your back afridis,khostwals,bangash and hotaks are suni muslims.
We love all our pashtun brothers no matter sunis are shai and we do not welcome the iranaian agenda of converting sunis to shai sect.
Also i do not hate shai muslims but would never like them preaching their religion to us.
Try something els the shai-suni card is not helping you here.


Those who hate pashtu got nothing to do with us .They better stay with their lords.
so tajikam did,nt work ?

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

I like how this guy makes up history as he goes; it's really quite entertaining that he can be so creative when it comes to historical facts.

So, I created the book? Is that the ordinery Pashtun logic when it comes to facts and truths so an enemy, a ''ghali'', ''Shia'', ''anti-Afghan'', ''Qazali'' lol propagate false history?

no wonder why poeople in the world don´t take you guys serious. Unfortuantely, such people as you represent here are in majority in the government such as Karzai.

[Shayesta]

What's up with all these Qizilbash, Shia and all nonsense? Does it even make a difference if he is Qizilbash, Shia, or even Pukhtoon!? Discussions should be formed based on the member's posts, not his background.

[ScimitarXEdge]

So, I created the book? Is that the ordinery Pashtun logic when it comes to facts and truths so an enemy, a ''ghali'', ''Shia'', ''anti-Afghan'', ''Qazali'' lol propagate false history?

no wonder why poeople in the world don´t take you guys serious. Unfortuantely, such people as you represent here are in majority in the government such as Karzai.

No you created the claim you attribute to the book

if you were actually quoting the book you'd actually show the page and the quotations.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Salam brother,

these are written in Afghanistan´s historical books. Just as I wrote to sister Barakzai, she need to go to ask Kabul museum for the original book of Muhammad´s family tree. These are known by many people, even Pashtuns (educated ones).

Some of the Hotaks converted to Shiism under Iranians in Kandahar. In return they got lands and servants from Iran in the region. Their descandants still are Shias. F.ex. the Toris, Malizai and Tahirkhel are Shias. Under Taliban, in Afghanistan they used the right of Taqqia. Claiming beeing Sunnis. These 3 tribes are just view examples. In Paktia there are even Ismaelis among Pashtuns.

But Toris , Malizais and Tahir Khels are not anyway related to Hotaks. There's no such thing as Ghalji Shi'a


That's why instead of saying they're in historical books; you have to actually show the book;

this is what Amir Al Ghaznabi means