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  • #46
    Originally posted by Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada View Post
    No. All leaders, started with Abdurrahman Khan to the days of Daud Khan were ethno-centric people. Always pushing the Pashtun cause, trying to establish Pashtu and Pashtun identity on the nation. Irnocially, they self could not speak Pashtu and were Tajikified. That was fascism (the same goes for Taliban rule) and ethnocide. To the time of Abdurrahman Khan, their house was Tajikified. All the princes and princess teachers were Darizuban and Qazalbash people, the governeurs of the regions were Darizubans, the court´s doctors were Qazalbashs and the most educated people, the top of the educated elite, were Qazalbash people. Pashtuns were not educated then and hated the city life. That changed when Abdurrahman Khan used the islamic card against Nuristanis, some Khostwals and Hazaras. He was threathend by his own Pashtun people in eastern Afghanistan to fight him if he further support the Shias. The Qazalbash f.ex were the elites of the army, the personal body-guards and so on. Alone Dost Muhammad had more than 12000 Qazalbashs who secured him and his family and his power, mostly from Pashtun tribes (irony). Pashtun fanatics and nationalists called for a war against all Shias. Many Qazalbashs left the country and moved to Pakistan, India, Kashmir or back to Iran. With the absence of them the Darizuabns became also weak and were soon replaced by not really educated Pashtun men, mostly religious teachers. They damaged the family´s interests and thus send their sons to foreign countries for studies because there was no trust on those old men. So after Dost Muhammad there was done ethnocide to non-Pashtuns. These are all recorded in books. We can´t fool ourself. All these facts amassed with the time to a mountain that resulted in modern Afghanistan and it´s current situation. If everyone had been threated well from beginning, we all would today live in our native country. However, people thought Afghanistan should be a Pashtun state while it wasn´t. The culture and language of Darizuabans dominated the country, many Darizubans came to the court under a fake identity while the representants tried hard to erase all other identities. They hadn´t any succes in that case because non-Pashtuns were culturally and ethnically more advaned then Pashtuns. Even after creating Pashtu Tolana and the various tries to diminish Dari in the country. The state was established on a centric philosophy. That was the mistake. With the time some people came up with wrong claims such that Pashtuns are the majority while they till to day aren´t. There is no majority in Afghanistan. There was never made a census. All the current figures differ from 30% to 42% for all ethnicities. The last census that was made and it was not much reliable was under the soviets. Pashtuns made 40%, Tajiks 37%, Hazaras 10%, Uzbeks 5% ... 2006 or 2007 there was a debate in the parliament about majorities and minorities in the state. Many non-Pashtuns called for a census but our Pashtun brothers in the parliament even cried that such a project would devide the country and they would not allow it (Karim Khoram was one of them, the man who is known for his statements and actions against the journalist who used a Dari word for university instead a Pashtu). Even my mother´s family accept these facts and hex the past events that made against Afghans, non-Pashtuns and Pashtuns. If we want an ethnic balance than we need first to talk about the diffences between ourself. Beeing trustworthy to ourself and don´t try to fool any party or the opposition. Leading a debate on the basis of an educated, academic and non-emotion project. Otherwise all the different figures are just claims and non-Pashtuns know that and they use that claims for their own goals. Because those claims are not proved beeing correct. There was a scientific research on the ethnical composition of Afghanistan by Jamil Hanifi, a well respect and high educated Pashtun in entire Afghanistan. His result was that Pashtuns´numbers are not more than 35% despite all claims and all ''official'' figures. However, there are also some other researchs but which are based on nationalistic views and claims. Such a ''research'' was once made by WAK organization, a Pashtun nationalist organization based in Peshawar. Even Pakistani government have forbidde to run the organization for further claims. Such organizations are the real enemies of Psahtuns. They support movements like Taliban who kill everyone that stand in front of them. Just look how many Pashtuns became victims because of Taliban. Very sad. Even the natioanlistic Musahiban family who supported everything Pashtun and Pashtu and even used the entire money they could get through taxes used on the Pashtunistan plan but what did it caused to Pashtuns? Did they really care about Pashtuns and Pashtu? They self were non-Pashtu-speakers and Nader Shah self was a native Urdu-speaker but imposed himself as the guardian of Pashtuns but at the end he and his family only damaged Pashtuns. One generation was followed by another generation. They just used Pashtun nationalism for their own goals.

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    • #47
      So in other words Barakzais etc are not pure pashtun blooded but rather a mixed lineage of parsiwaan..hmmm interesting
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      *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

      Originally posted by Karachi
      like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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      • #48
        Manzareh wror no barakzai's are not parsiwaan ect far from it they are more pure pashtun than anyone, gadoonwal wror is not our historian, the thing is payenda khan was not a normal person they were ruling familys they had over 20 to 30 wifes ,mostly the wifes were hotak popalzai,barakzai abdali so even DOSTmohammad khan had 21 wifes and 65 children , but one of his wife was a pariswaan nothing to do with my family though my great grandmother was his barakzai wife i will put up the history all goondawal is saying is not true as in helmand barakzais are the largest tribe , then why cant we speak dari why cant we understand it, but as a ruler i can understand he had to know the languages or else how do you rule if you cant speak a language now its not needed as the empire fell years ago ,like our own family dosnt , we dont like zahir shah or king aminullah they were too liberated, so familys broke away different areas had different barakzai sardars and ours were in kandahar and helmand so you need to read the true history not the re written rubbish on wiki , which gets written by normal dicks and harrys read the proper old books from over a 100 years ago which are still available in afghanistan kandahar, dost mohammad is the pride of pashtuns in kandahar and helmand and has left too much strong history .
        Last edited by Guest; 05-23-2011, 01:41 AM.

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        • #49
          Now to mention something else that i dont like saying , often the royal family had slave women too that their right hand possessed so their sons and daughters of slaves dont get mentioned in the family tree that much ,but in the extended one they do but next to them it says (sos) means son of slave or(dos) daughter of slave.

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          • #50
            Our masharaans are our identity, we should respect them and remember them with good words.

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            • #51
              Dost mohammad khan had official 21 wifes and 65 children from them but he had slave women too and kids from them too , even one of his half brother telai was son of a slave.

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              • #52
                In afghanistan in the heart of pashtun provinces like kandahar and helmand hes well respected who cares what people on the forum write or on wiki dosnt make it true, home is where the heart is and no one knows ones family unless you live in and now i have kakar blood running through my veins too as the family has married kakar women and given in influencial kakar families , and barakzais are strong in helmand kandahar .
                Last edited by Guest; 05-22-2011, 09:56 PM.

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                • #53
                  barakzaigirl khor,i never claim to be the historain of your family or barakzais in general.
                  Now here i explain my point to you.
                  Mos barakzais can be divided into 3 areas.
                  1-
                  The royals and other mohmzais/barakzais settled in kabul area speak farsi and are of mix origin.By culture,language they got nothing in common with pure pashtuns.

                  2-The barakzais of greater kandahar,helmond, etc
                  Speak pashtu and follow the code pashtunwali like anyother pashtun tribes.

                  3-The barakzais of westren afghanistan such as herat etc.
                  Nothing in common with other pashtuns.Some do,nt even know their pashtun origin.Like sadozais/popalzasi and other abdali sub-tribes of the westren afghanistan they speak farsi and very much mixed with parsiwans.

                  There are some mohdzais in north speak farsi but their major areas are those 3.Late ahmad zahir was also a farsiwan barakzai of mohmdzai sect and the son of dr zahir.
                  So its not right to say the barakzais are 100% pure pashtuns.
                  The abdalis are pretty much mixed with farsiwans.
                  I can not say this for pashtun ghilzais,zadrans and zazais etc cus they speak pashtu and follow the code of pashtunwali.A fact is fact khorai.



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                  • #54
                    I see, in Afghanistan is it more of a higher status to be a barakzai than anything else?
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                    Originally posted by Karachi
                    like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                      I see, in Afghanistan is it more of a higher status to be a barakzai than anything else?
                      Back in the days when the royal family was there there were several
                      Aristocratic tribes like barakzais sadozais Alakozais etc

                      This 2011 cuz those old aristocrats don't have the same juice anymore

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                      • #56
                        "Oh barakzai KNEEL before thy!" Thank god for that, i bet you still get those people with their heads up in the sky walking around looking down on people though, kinda like those OG's in the hood resembling a broken record that just dont play the same anymore.
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                        *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                        Originally posted by Karachi
                        like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
                          barakzaigirl khor,i never claim to be the historain of your family or barakzais in general.
                          Now here i explain my point to you.
                          Mos barakzais can be divided into 3 areas.
                          1-
                          The royals and other mohmzais/barakzais settled in kabul area speak farsi and are of mix origin.By culture,language they got nothing in common with pure pashtuns.

                          2-The barakzais of greater kandahar,helmond, etc
                          Speak pashtu and follow the code pashtunwali like anyother pashtun tribes.

                          3-The barakzais of westren afghanistan such as herat etc.
                          Nothing in common with other pashtuns.Some do,nt even know their pashtun origin.Like sadozais/popalzasi and other abdali sub-tribes of the westren afghanistan they speak farsi and very much mixed with parsiwans.

                          There are some mohdzais in north speak farsi but their major areas are those 3.Late ahmad zahir was also a farsiwan barakzai of mohmdzai sect and the son of dr zahir.
                          So its not right to say the barakzais are 100% pure pashtuns.
                          The abdalis are pretty much mixed with farsiwans.
                          I can not say this for pashtun ghilzais,zadrans and zazais etc cus they speak pashtu and follow the code of pashtunwali.A fact is fact khorai.
                          Yes wror they are divided in 3 but at top they are all same family same royals same everything only payenda khans son grandson were located different areas ours was given kandahar the birth place so we never shifted around as we belong to dost mohammads pashtun wife from helmand so if some had married parsi women that people do , but they never gave their daughters to parsi people and still the majority women were from pashtun upper class tribes , theres too much history with in the families there's dispute like we dont like aminulla or the zahir shahs as they were too liberated , so people in familys become nationalist i guess the ones in kandahar helmand barakzais became racists and nationalist so dari dosnt exist in us largest group of barakzais are in kandahar and helmand and very strong powerful family and after the russians and najibullah the satan ,the nationalism in our familys grew even more when barakzai familys were wiped out like my own mothers family in helmand so things like that we will never forget or forgive.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                            Back in the days when the royal family was there there were several
                            Aristocratic tribes like barakzais sadozais Alakozais etc

                            This 2011 cuz those old aristocrats don't have the same juice anymore
                            LOL how can we have juice when so much bickering and fighting amongst the families started where one wanted wipe out another just to take the power.

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                            • #59
                              Kakargirl, Which terrorist killed your mother's family ?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by emkhan View Post
                                Kakargirl, Which terrorist killed your mother's family ?
                                najibullahs crowd the people we hate with our might so many familys were wiped

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