Dr Professor Shaheen Sardar Ali versus Gadoonwal

[gadoonwal]

I don't know Parachas much but I met three Parachas in life. I have met Madam Shaheen Sardar Ali and Kamran Khan of Mingawara whom we met and dined with. He is a learned and refined person and I liked the way he served us food. In Mingawara, there was another Paracha with the name Chacha Karim Bakhsh. He established a fund to award prizes to authors of best books written in Pashto prose and poetry every year.

I am yet to see any nar Pashtun of Swat having done that.

The third Paracha that I met is the son of Dr Bilal the well-known Eurologist of Peshawar...A very smart man...And by the way he is the nephew of Air Chief Marshal Abbas Khan Khattak the ex-air chief of Pakistan (i.e. the sister of Abbas Khattak is the wife of Dr. Bilal). This deflates your claim that Pashtuns don't enter into marriage relations with non-Pashtuns.

some upper class punjabi slave might do this .
Most yousufzais of swat would never enter into marriage with parachis etc.
i in fact told some of my friend in lower swat not to sell their land to parachis and gujars etc.I am not saying that they should be treated like slave but pakhtuns should never lose their trible identity thats my point.
They are part of our society and should be loyal to this land and people.

[gadoonwal]

I also have been to Nawan Shahar, Damthor, etc. inhabited by Hindko-speaking Jadoons. By the way, these Jadoons have heavily intermarried with neighbouring non-Pashtun people like Dhond, Mirs, etc.

In Qaud-i-Azam University, we had few Jadoons from Hazaras as University fellows. They had their own Hazar Students front and would not mix with Pashtuns or be member of Pashtun students association. I had observed they were more happy with Potoharis and other Punjabis, Kashmiris besides being very hostile to Pashtuns.

i can take you to haripore where you will find utmanzais and tareen hate anything to do with pashtuns so should we start against the proud yousufzais and tareen pashtun of queta,swabi,swat and afghanistan?
They are also happy with potwaris.
they are no longer part of us.
your words speak your mind,lol

[gadoonwal]

I wish you could have the guts to meet a Pukhtun. But though you are not a Pukhtun thats why you feel happy to be in the company of those non pukhtuns. you are actually a food lover so you look at people's plates rather than their foreheads.
You better quit talking about Pukhtuns here on pf and start some other work ... oh yeah i forgot your profession... you should go and post some songs.

ahahahahaha
thanks for making me laugh man.
he is ,,talisat,,
zama pa khyaal kamran khan pre ha kabab khorawali dey.wos e pa ,,burgero,,shoro kari dah zaka kho wos da perangyaano staayani kawi.


when i was young my grandmother told me the stories of ,,toraban,,dev,,
That time i always asked her how toraban dev look like but she could ,nt give me proper answer now i am lucky to see ,,toraban dev,,/toramana in real life chat with us.

[Toramana]

Gadoonwal, tell me one thing...If the non-Pashtuns are neither loyal to the land nor to the pure Pashtuns i.e. their tribal overlords in the past, what can you do---? And how much have been the pure Pashtuns loyal to the land...Most of the collaborators with British and later the Punjabis have been pure Pashtuns unfortunately ----should I give you a list...?

How can non-Pashtuns be loyal to a land where they are second-class citizens? Tha kho bekhi dair sada sarai yai....

[Toramana]

ahahahahaha
thanks for making me laugh man.
he is ,,talisat,,
zama pa khyaal kamran khan pre ha kabab khorawali dey.wos e pa ,,burgero,,shoro kari dah zaka kho wos da perangyaano staayani kawi.


when i was young my grandmother told me the stories of ,,toraban,,dev,,
That time i always asked her how toraban dev look like but she could ,nt give me proper answer now i am lucky to see ,,toraban dev,,/toramana in real life chat with us.

Kamran Khan was very courteous and refined person. I really liked to talk with him. For the sake of nobility I should mention him in good words. Here I should also mention that on way to Bajuar, I met an Utman Khel Kaka in Arang Barang---very courteous fellow---and I want to mention him in the same good words...It is not about food---It is about warmth, courtesy, and friendliness....

[emkhan]

ahahahahaha
thanks for making me laugh man.
he is ,,talisat,,
zama pa khyaal kamran khan pre ha kabab khorawali dey.wos e pa ,,burgero,,shoro kari dah zaka kho wos da perangyaano staayani kawi.


when i was young my grandmother told me the stories of ,,toraban,,dev,,
That time i always asked her how toraban dev look like but she could ,nt give me proper answer now i am lucky to see ,,toraban dev,,/toramana in real life chat with us.

hahahah Toraban and Toramana... what a match.
da da daa ghatt ghatt khwakh wi zaka che khey khey khwarakey warta melawegy. aw dai warta daa darogh rishtya wayi ao lagya wi. ao hagho warta hom ghwag ekhodai wi che daa charta da firangistaan na yo ghatt scholar raghalay dai, ao khabar na dai che hagha zaanla pa sa na pohegi.
i wish che dai charta da yo gharib pukhtun sara milawo shaway way nu sukun ba warta melao shaway wo.

[gadoonwal]

Gadoonwal, tell me one thing...If the non-Pashtuns are neither loyal to the land nor to the pure Pashtuns i.e. their tribal overlords in the past, what can you do---? And how much have been the pure Pashtuns loyal to the land...Most of the collaborators with British and later the Punjabis have been pure Pashtuns unfortunately ----should I give a list...?

How can non-Pashtuns be loyal to a land where they are second-class citizens? Tha kho bekhi dair sada sarai yai....

first of all find me a post where i said every pure pashtun pashtun is loyal to his land?
most of them are loyal and fought against invaders for pashtunland.
khoshal khan was khatak,omara khan yousufzai,ajab khan apredai,bacha khan mohmadzai and the list gose on.
Now find us your hero like parachi etc who fought and defend this land?

now i tell you the story of my area.Gadoon was a trible area with no paki or british influence.In 1960s the paki forces start invading our area and the local tribemen fought with them for more then tow months.Queresh khan gadoon burn(a great friend of bacha khan and khodi khedmatgar) the flag of pakistan .He was later shot in the arms with bullets but survived.
The uthmanzai (yousufzai) jarga of swabi played a role in the conflict and finally it was declared a part of swabi distt with semi autonomous region.
Once again in the 80s paki fc men brought by zai to stop locals not to grow ,,opium,,another conflict start.17 people died while fighting against FC men in our area just cus they never like the govt to interfare in their land.I remembered those days when i was school kid those bastered FC men set up check post on the roads looking at us like enemies.I mean they never inter the villages but they set up base on topi gadoon road targeting our area people.
Somehow the conflict continue till this day.
a Dhobi of plain area of swabi was spy for paki FC men.His name was Naseeb Gul.

My point is that these people should,nt play a role of dalal and be loyal.

i am mountain man but i request to my brothers of valleys (swat,swabi,marda etc) not to sell their land to the kasabgars and parachis etc and keep your trible identity alive.
Also,respect them as your Friends & Neighbors but do,nt make them your plars,,,,

[Toramana]

first of all find me a post where i said every pure pashtun pashtun is loyal to his land?
most of them are loyal and fought against invaders for pashtunland.
khoshal khan was khatak,omara khan yousufzai,ajab khan apredai,bacha khan mohmadzai and the list gose on.
Now find us your hero like parachi etc who fought and defend this land?

now i tell you the story of my area.Gadoon was a trible area with no paki or british influence.In 1960s the paki forces start invading our area and the local tribemen fought with them for more then tow months.Queresh khan gadoon burn(a great friend of bacha khan and khodi khedmatgar) the flag of pakistan .He was later shot in the arms with bullets but survived.
The uthmanzai (yousufzai) jarga of swabi played a role in the conflict and finally it was declared a part of swabi distt with semi autonomous region.
Once again in the 80s paki fc men brought by zai to stop locals not to grow ,,opium,,another conflict start.17 people died while fighting against FC men in our area just cus they never like the govt to interfare in their land.I remembered those days when i was school kid those bastered FC men set up check post on the roads looking at us like enemies.I mean they never inter the villages but they set up base on topi gadoon road targeting our area people.
Somehow the conflict continue till this day.
a Dhobi of plain area of swabi was spy for paki FC men.His name was Naseeb Gul.

My point is that these people should,nt play a role of dalal and be loyal.

i am mountain man but i request to my brothers of valleys (swat,swabi,marda etc) not to sell their land to the kasabgars and parachis etc and keep your trible identity alive.
Also,respect them as your Friends & Neighbors but do,nt make them your plars,,,,

By the way who were the FC men that you have mentioned so disdainfully because they targetted your tribe----Were they not Pashtuns?----Are not they more condemnable than the poor Naseeb Gul Kaka, who only was a Mukhbir for the FC (and FC were the actual people that fired at you). Who is then more Pakified?

[Toramana]

Gadoonwal, world has gone far ahead than you are assuming to be in. With increasing globalization, fewer and fewer people are now dependent on lands. In Sawabi itself, the land-holdings have become smaller and smaller insufficient to sustain the montly expenses of the household. And when people will need money, they will sell land...

And who cares if someone that one is marrying with is a pure Pashthana or not...What is so special about pure Pashthana...Any rational person should go for a nice educated non-Pashtana (Tajak, Kashmiri, Chitrali, ...) than a shadala Pukhthana...

[gadoonwal]

By the way who were the FC men that you have mentioned so disdainfully because they targetted your tribe----Were they not Pashtuns?----Are not they more condemnable than the poor Naseeb Gul Kaka, who only was a Mukhbir for the FC (and FC were the actual people that fired at you). Who is then more Pakified?

do i still need to write another one for you ,,who the traitors are?

I was talking about the general Behavior of kasabgar type people .They never give up dalali and chaplosi.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Gadoonwal, world has gone far ahead than you are assuming to be in. With increasing globalization, fewer and fewer people are now dependent on lands. In Sawabi itself, the land-holdings have become smaller and smaller insufficient to sustain the montly expenses of the household. And when people will need money, they will sell land...

And who cares if someone that one is marrying with is a pure Pashthana or not...What is so special about pure Pashthana...Any rational person should go for a nice educated non-Pashtana (Tajak, Kashmiri, Chitrali, ...) than a shadala Pukhthana...

Or one can advocate killing their own people and doing shoddy research, creating a fantasy clan named Andersen within the shiite divisions of the Bangash tribe. Then they can call themselves Farhat Taj ANDERSEN and attack legitimate data and skulk, like a rat into a corner when the Huffington Post shows how 3rd grader style and subpar their research is. Pure Pashtana are God's gift to their men saiba.

[Toramana]

Other members are not participating in this discussion specially from Afghanistan...Here I will mention something in the context of Afghanistan...Few years back I met a person from Afghanistan, who was from Kunarh. Fluent in Pashto, the person was working at a foreign Pashto news service...

What astonished me was the amount of aversion he had for Pashtuns...I asked him what is his ethnicity...? He told me he is a Pashayi or something. I had a detailed discussion with him about the inter-ethnic harmony. I found out he had actually been alienated by the attitude of Pashtuns and in reaction had become a fervent northern alliance supporter.

Now one can well imagine what can be the political cost of such an attitude to Pashtuns...Onviously, no one is going to live with you in the same political unit on the terms and conditions that sustain your superiority in whatever form.

[emkhan]

Or one can advocate killing their own people and doing shoddy research, creating a fantasy clan named Andersen within the shiite divisions of the Bangash tribe. Then they can call themselves Farhat Taj ANDERSEN and attack legitimate data and skulk, like a rat into a corner when the Huffington Post shows how 3rd grader style and subpar their research is. Pure Pashtana are God's gift to their men saiba.

He does not know what a pure pashtoon IS because he is not a pashtun.

[Toramana]

do i still need to write another one for you ,,who the traitors are?

I was talking about the general Behavior of kasabgar type people .They never give up dalali and chaplosi.

By the way who ordered that operation---I mean who was the political decision-maker? Could you tell me who was the commander incharge of that campaign...?

By the way cultivating poppy is not a good way of sustaining economic life...Pashtuns should develop legal economy instead of engaging in something that is not legal and sustainable in the long run...

[gadoonwal]

Gadoonwal, world has gone far ahead than you are assuming to be in. With increasing globalization, fewer and fewer people are now dependent on lands. In Sawabi itself, the land-holdings have become smaller and smaller insufficient to sustain the montly expenses of the household. And when people will need money, they will sell land...

And who cares if someone that one is marrying with is a pure Pashthana or not...What is so special about pure Pashthana...Any rational person should go for a nice educated non-Pashtana (Tajak, Kashmiri, Chitrali, ...) than a shadala Pukhthana...

you continue abusing pashtana by calling their women ,,shadala,,

if thats the case then why you hate to live with punjabis?
your posts are there.Why you want separation from them if you are willing to marry their educated daughters of kashmiris,punjabis etc.
We do have educated pashtanai in pashtunkhwa watan and i hope they marry only pashtuns.
who make her,,shadala,, ?
a pure pashtana is more respected,loyal,brave,not easy going and more hayadara then some dancing low life dama or khoshakamara.

you even do,nt know what you are saying.