Future Map of Loy Afghanistan(pukhtunistan)

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'll look for it. might be there in Elphinstine's book. Do you have it?

But one thing is very obvious that the land of the majority of Pashtuns(afghans) could not simply be part of the colony but not be part of the mainland Afghanistan.

I don't have it, but one thing is I know the term Afghanistan has existed since the time of Babur; my argument is that the term was never used by the Abdali Empire until the British applied it.

I agree that these areas were colonized and thus the demarcations are manufactured, but this applies from all directions.

None of the nations that are on the map today should be existing.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Apart from that we had punjab with us as our neighbour under a distinct governer separate from that of Sindh and Kashmir which were also colonies like Punjab and were parts of the empire. Besides Peshawar was the winter capital.

I agree , all of South Asia was more or less colonzied, either directly with the British Raj or as a crony Nation as with Abdur Rahman Khan. and Shah Shuja al Mulk,

that's why if we're ever going to progress we need to undo the tides of history.

[graveyardofempires]

I don't have it, but one thing is I know the term Afghanistan has existed since the time of Babur; my argument is that the term was never used by the Abdali Empire until the British applied it.

I agree that these areas were colonized and thus the demarcations are manufactured, but this applies from all directions.

None of the nations that are on the map today should be existing.

Total non sense

you guys have turned the british into god as if they control everything.

[کیش]

LOL

another phatan in making

Lol

That is the only thing you say. I remember someone calling you out on that, and you responded with another "lol".

[graveyardofempires]

lol

that is the only thing you say. I remember someone calling you out on that, and you responded with another "lol".

lol

[ScimitarXEdge]

Total non sense

you guys have turned the british into god as if they control everything.

Well they carved out the region we have today. Do you deny this is true?

[کیش]

lol

I think you should stick to media design, since this discussion, and arguments is out of your reach.

Am sure your a good designer, stay at that.

[graveyardofempires]

Well they carved out the region we have today. Do you deny this is true?

not true again

they only put a line between pashtuns ,called durrand line which was supported by some of the british loyal servants.

before this british had no influence in Afghanistan and Afghanistan exists longer but it was named a coupke of hunreds of years ago Afghanistan.

I guess you should stop reading what other people write about Afghans and start reading from Afghan sources along with Islamic sources.

[graveyardofempires]

I think you should stick to media design, since this discussion, and arguments is out of your reach.

Am sure your a good designer, stay at that.

dude you are on my thread.
you luffy,shebaz and manzarah are not welcome here.

It doesnt matter how long it will take but you too will get sense beaten into your closed mind.

[Alchemist]

not true again

they only put a line between pashtuns ,called durrand line which was supported by some of the british loyal servants.

before this british had no influence in Afghanistan and Afghanistan exists longer but it was named a coupke of hunreds of years ago Afghanistan.

I guess you should stop reading what other people write about Afghans and start reading from Afghan sources along with Islamic sources.

Here is the really irony...

"Durrand" is actually the name of the British officer.

So every time they say "durrand line" they are saying that british officer's name.

It's like I come to your house, and I draw a line in your living room and say...ok...you stay on this side of the line...your brother stays on that side of the line...and I ll call this line "Alchemist Line". I leave your house ..and you still obey my instruction and treat my line like a boarder...

Srsly..that is what it is.

[Nick]

1. I will ignore the fact that you are a Pakistani and have been complaining about the absence of Pakistani nationalists on this forum in other threads and give you a response.

It is interesting however that you pop up on this thread but were nowhere to be seen when the same individual, your fellow Pakistani, was calling for millions of Afghans to be expelled. Maybe the next time he does something like that you will condemn him. Or is your posting only limited to targeting me, my Pakistani friend?

2. First of all, I have no idea who this character is. He started calling for Afghans to be expelled, I told him off. At no point in that thread did I call him a "dhalkhor".

But I guess you didn't realize or care about that my Pakistani friend.

a: He then sent me a private message, unsolicited, insulting me and using racial terms including the reference to our diet which you - my Pakistani friend - also used.

b: I did not retaliate or call him a "dhalkhor" back, but warned him again and informed him I had no desire to speak to him. Admin and others have a copy of that message. Sorry but you will not be getting a copy.


c: I have put him on ignore. I do not wish to read anything he reads as it is of no benefit and I am of no need for it.

d: In the dhaal appreciation thread, I made no comment as I do not believe in such a thread as it is Allah's food.

e: I make one comment because the word "Dhalkhor" is being frequently used and whole threads started about it, and then suddenly two Pakistanis, "Karachi" and "Manzareh" join forces.

"Manzareh" you are obviously hurt by my use of the word dhalkhor my Pakistani friend, so if it really hurts you that much I won't use it again so as not to offend your delicate and soft Pakistani sensitivities, of course you will completely ignore everyone else who uses that term including those who participate on the "Dhaal appreciation thread", and just focus on me.

I have no idea who you are and do not care, suffice that you are some Pakistani who claims to be from Swat and claims to be Pashtun and has recently been complaining about the lack of Pakistani nationalists on this forum.

Do not use terms like "wuss".

Your compatriot, "Karachi", has been following me around this whole forum and just making comments directed towards me and not making any comments related to the thread or of any informative value. This Pakistani has launched a personal crusade against me.

I have clearly told him I do not wish to speak to him and yet even yesterday still not being satisfied with attacking me and my people multiple times, he then posts a message on my profile, which fortunately I could not read but was deleted by a moderator.

Of course all of this is fine in your books and so is the call for expelling Afghan refugees and you won't criticize your Pakistani brother for this, but the fact that I make a light comment about the "Durrand line" (a line which you seem to support as you do not want it to be called the "Dhalkhor line") when others start whole threads about dhaal rallies you into action to support your fellow Pakistani.

This is the first and last time that I will ever spend time explaining anything to you my Pakistani friend. Next time I will not politely explain anything to you, and let me repeat speak to me appropriately and do not use terms like "wuss". I am not someone like Nangalai Pashtuna, who you can enjoy pestering. So do not use terms like "cowardly".

I have not yet commented on your thread where you were complaining about the lack of Pakistani nationalists on this forum and I am not interested in you. I thought graveyardofempires was harsh in his assesment of you, but now I realize he was correct. This is his thread and you - Pakistani patriot - are not welcome on this thread so leave.

BYE.

Dear Bangali brother as well as our punjabi brothers. You both know Racism is no good and most of us are not racist as we sound. I always considered my-self, the most anti-Pakistani and I proudly still do, but this does not mean that my target our target are individuals. As you may notice I never made personal attacks, or maybe I did once to one pashtun brother form NWFP i can't remember who. Other than that in this forum I tried to control myself and reminded my self that our war is not with Pakistani citizens. For as we know, when Pakistani Government is getting richer because their hands are so strong and their agnecies inside Afghanistan Who are only buy Pakistani imported material thanks to Americans for making the deal for them as they only allowed major imports from outside has to be Pakistani which is why over all 75% of our imports are from Pakistan. I think 80% of vigges & fruits and 90% of our Sugar and some other stuff are directly from Pakistan, in return we represent nothing to them
http://www.sbp.org.pk/publications/i...2011/Feb/3.pdf

If someone studied economics will fully understand a country like Afghanistan which imports from Pakistan in return doesn't even represent 5% of their imports shows that in this game Afghanistan is a slave of Pakistan, and thanks to America because America is Pakistan's number one friend and supporter.
We can see how Pakistan export increased suprisingly to USA as of 9/11 where Pakistani export to USA had 2* the double since 9/11, today we are talking 8 billion dollars. Pakistan's cotton today is not sold to 3rd world countries or Arabians or poor Eastern Europeans as it was in 1960s-70s but to UNited States of America. Pakistani punjabi Cotton Export to USa represent 80% of Pakistani Exports. Say WOW to this. While in return USA promised to making Pakistan a super power and stronger than ever as long as Pakistan remains Dog of USA, America will supply Pakistan with every Military advantages it needs, such as Tanks, Guns and Missiles. Well in really speaking that's the only thing that America exports to Pakistan, check it for yourself, it will not be in detail due to "Secret national security bala blah". I am sure this same number of high into Pakistan from USA will be Gun and Military related, prove me wrong if anyone can.

Going back to my point its true Afghanistan can't survive without Pakistan as some western economics like to say, because numbers speaks to itself. We mean nothing to Pakistan and yet Pakistan means everything to us in terms of Imports. On the other hand as we Afghans have every damn thing in the world while after all our soil exports puppys right. LOL which countries land is so good for such production, wonder why Iran is asking for more water and yet Helmand has been dried up. LOL for those who has been a farmer or from a family of farmer or has knowledge of farming, agriculture, and veterinary knows that Afghanistan can fully support itself as well as Export like 1950s lol Even Sugar which we didn't had any Canes maybe in Pakthia and Julalabad, and yet we have the alternatives of Sugar, yes the Sugar beet, as clean and heathy. I remember 3 years ago in Badghiz I kicked them like balls as I didn't knew they were Sugar beets lol they grew naturally in Badghiz it was funny cause I didn't knew what it was i thought it was Shalgham then I said to my uncle "Badghiz have too much Shalgham", he was like "where?" I said "look right their is this place used to be farm of Shalgham or what" LOL he was like "no and this is not Shalgham its Lablaboo". LOL think about it naturally we have Sugar and here Pakistani citizens complain about their own dirty Paki government selling too much of theirs to us. Sugar is just one Example going back to my point Pakistani citizens also suffer because dirty Paki Government all it wants is dollar lol Money talks for them, on the other hand people of Pakistan suffer because food price is sky high. One has to think why? Why Afghans product Puppy, and not Shalgham and buy their Shalgham from Pakistan. why Pakistanis not even having enough to prouduce for their own and yet export to Afghanistan and while the Pakistani citizens die of hunger because of price increase, and Afghan farmers complain Pakistan sell for less to Karzai agency and we have no buyers, beside Karzai doesn't allow so why produce such good and not Puppy and drugs and sell it to Karzai agency WTH is this.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Dear Nick jana,

Thank you for your post and taking time out to explain somethings. Racism is indeed wrong. However when one is a victim of it, then one tends to react.

I made a joke about the "D*****r" line (I won't say the word as I might offend Manzareh and hurt his feelings) and two Pakistanis started attacking me. If the use of the term "D******r" is racist and causes pain to both Manzareh and the troll above then I will refrain from it. However maybe they should start by complaining about the "D*** appreciation thread".

Anyway,

1. Nick Jana, your reality as an Afghan is different to my reality as a Bengali. The way a Pakistani, especially a Punjabi/Hindustani will treat you is different to the way they treat me. My dislike of Pakistan is not based on the standard PF line of "I have no problem with Pakistanis, it is the regime I hate". Rather it is the other way around. You cannot dislike a people for the actions of their regime, this is very immature and the most extreme examples of this I have seen amongst Arabs (I lived in the Arab world and speak Arabic).

Punjabis/Hindustanis are extremely racist to us Bengalis whereas with Afghans/Pakhtoons there is a degree of respect since you are racially more similar to them and culturally more similar too e.g. dress and so on.

I however am not calling for any action against Pakistan.

- I am not calling for a war or military action against Pakistan or saying anything like there must be international military action to save nuclear weapons from falling in to the hands of terrorists (they actually already are, as the Pakistan army is itself a terrorist force).

- I am not calling for sanctions.

- I am not calling for the break up of Pakistan, though if Balochis, Sindhis and Pashtuns do gain their freedom as we Bengalis did, I will pray 2 rakah salah (namaz) thanking Allah in the same way Hazrat Umar (radi'Allahu anhu ta'ala) prayed 2 rakah salah when Allah destroyed the kingdom of the arrogant Iranian despot of the time.

- I am not calling for any action against Pakistanis abroad e.g. when the US a few years ago considered restrictions on British citizens of Pakistani origin.

In short I am not calling for any action against this state. Whereas our Hindustani friend, the troll above, has called for the mass deportation of Afghans as Iran has done in the past. I am participating in Pashtun forums because:

1. I have been invited to, and I will leave if ever asked (not by trolls or sensitive people like Manzareh but by legitimate people e.g. the admin team).

2. Pashtuns e.g. the ANP supported us Bengalis in our darkest hour and many Pashtun soldiers in the Pakistan army refused to carry out atrocities against Bengalis, in the same way their ancestors refused to kill Iraqi Muslims for the British in the 1920s.

3. I am supposedly of Pashtun lineage myself. This could be false. I do not care. I am a proud Bengali and my respect for Pakhtoons is not based upon this but for their culture and their values of honour, courage and truthfulness i.e. Pashtunwali. However this is worth mentioning.

4. Afghanistan is a fellow Muslim country and member of SAARC, so in our region.

I am interested in politics and so I come to reciprocate the support Pashtun nationalists (not all Pashtuns of course e.g. the Kafir Maseed, Manzareh types) gave my people in the past, and also to follow developments. If you read carefully I do not recommend any specific action against Pakistan and at the most will express amusement at its demise.

Anyway Nick jana, I used to read your posts on Afghansite a few years ago and have a great deal of respect for you. You said in your post that Afghanistan is economically dependent upon Pakistan. This is a sad reality. However Uzbekistan and other states are also landlocked. Key factors which can help promote the growth of Afghanistan are this:

1. Education, including creating a highly educated and talented workforce that can contribute to the country and also work abroad.

2. Diapsora, utilizing the Afghan diaspora abroad to increase remittance money to Afghanistan and focusing this money in key development projects which improve the country.

The Afghan government should support Afghan lobby groups abroad and use them to promote the Afghan cause as the Jewish and Armenian lobbies do.

There are other things I could suggest but they would require a stable government and law and order which unfortunately do not exist and will be prevented from existing including by certain malicious powers to the east of Afghanistan.

However I am 200% sure that Afghanistan will one day flourish again. This is a land where commitment to the "Watan" is greater amongst its constituent peoples than in Iran and definitely your Indic neighbours to the east. This is the land of Baba Ahmed Shah Abdali, the land which played a major part in destroying the USSR and subsequent freedom for hundreds of millions of people all over the world. Afghans are a resilient race, and it is this resilience and strength of character which is Afghanistan's greatest strength.

So yes, there will be difficulties and problems but the land of Afghanistan will prevail against artificially created states next to it.

- Bengal Tiger.

[Nick]

I be back to u just got up for morning pray now I must start my day and be at work in half hour.
Thanks for reply

[Karachi]

I agree racism is wrong, but this bengali character is a total liar, look how is he is playing the victim in the last post, as if he was attacked, but anyone who can see his preivious posts can tell you that he is attacking pakistanis, especially (punjabies) from day one when he joined.

[khushal]

I agree racism is wrong, but this bengali character is a total liar, look how is he is playing the victim in the last post, as if he was attacked, but anyone who can see his preivious posts can tell you that he is attacking pakistanis, especially (punjabies) from day one when he joined.

If you believe racism is wrong then stop practicing it. Go read the Quoran and love all people instead of spreading hate.