Future Map of Loy Afghanistan(pukhtunistan)

[Karachi]

If you believe racism is wrong then stop practicing it. Go read the Quoran and love all people instead of spreading hate.

say the exact same thing to your bengali friend, then i'll stop, he is the one who started it with his vary first post on this forum

[khushal]

say the exact same thing to your bengali friend, then i'll stop, he is the one who started it with his vary first post on this forum

Aren't you the one that insulted all afghans just because one afghan insulted you. Even when I corrected you that it is wrong, you kept saying racist remarks.

[Mir_Ghazab]

I still couldn't understand it. I think you are very much stuck in the academic veracity of the word Afghan ignoring its political and pragmatic value. What you are doing now is spreading plain hatred against non-Pashto speaking afghans. I don't know why. We (our party PMAP) would feel it pleasant if other ethnic groups of Pakhtunykhwa insisted that they be identified as Pashtuns. I don't know what is the issue with that.

I think you and the comedy that is 'nick' epitomizes everything that is wrong with Pashtons and Al-Ghaznawi epitomizes everything that is good and honourable about Pashtons. You're a sad outfit.

How could you come to the conclusion that Al-Ghaznawi is spreading hatred towards "non-Pashto speaking afghans? If anything, he is amongst the finger count people who are trying to objectively and reasonably assess the problems, while showing consideration for the aspiration and feelings of other ethnic groups as well.

Taking into consideration what you wrote, I don't think you have a quarter of honour that Al-Ghaznawi has. He is striving to mend his broken nation, whereas it's you who is SPREADING MISINFORMATION and misleading readersm, giving people a false notion of power.

Listen, wroora, the days of "Dae Pakhtunistan Zemong" drums from Kabul are well and truely OVER. The sooner you numpties realize this, the better you'd come out of this doomness. Tajiks and others are well-entrenched, well-armed and very, very motivated. They won't give you a chance this time.

Stand up, dust yourselve down and be content and satisfied with what you possess and deserve. Do not wish the impossible.

Al-Ghaznawi knows what he is talking about because he is not a plastic.

[khyaal]

I think you and the comedy that is 'nick' epitomizes everything that is wrong with Pashtons and Al-Ghaznawi epitomizes everything that is good and honourable about Pashtons. You're a sad outfit.

How could you come to the conclusion that Al-Ghaznawi is spreading hatred towards "non-Pashto speaking afghans? If anything, he is amongst the finger count people who are trying to objectively and reasonably assess the problems, while showing consideration for the aspiration and feelings of other ethnic groups as well.

Taking into consideration what you wrote, I don't think you have a quarter of honour that Al-Ghaznawi has. He is striving to mend his broken nation, whereas it's you who is SPREADING MISINFORMATION and misleading readersm, giving people a false notion of power.

Listen, wroora, the days of "Dae Pakhtunistan Zemong" drums from Kabul are well and truely OVER. The sooner you numpties realize this, the better you'd come out of this doomness. Tajiks and others are well-entrenched, well-armed and very, very motivated. They won't give you a chance this time.

Stand up, dust yourselve down and be content and satisfied with what you possess and deserve. Do not wish the impossible.

Al-Ghaznawi knows what he is talking about because he is not a plastic.

Be specific! ta kho jorr da kora pa qaar raghalay ye (zama pa shaan)

[khyaal]

I think you and the comedy that is 'nick' epitomizes everything that is wrong with Pashtons and Al-Ghaznawi epitomizes everything that is good and honourable about Pashtons. You're a sad outfit.

How could you come to the conclusion that Al-Ghaznawi is spreading hatred towards "non-Pashto speaking afghans? If anything, he is amongst the finger count people who are trying to objectively and reasonably assess the problems, while showing consideration for the aspiration and feelings of other ethnic groups as well.

Taking into consideration what you wrote, I don't think you have a quarter of honour that Al-Ghaznawi has. He is striving to mend his broken nation, whereas it's you who is SPREADING MISINFORMATION and misleading readersm, giving people a false notion of power.

Listen, wroora, the days of "Dae Pakhtunistan Zemong" drums from Kabul are well and truely OVER. The sooner you numpties realize this, the better you'd come out of this doomness. Tajiks and others are well-entrenched, well-armed and very, very motivated. They won't give you a chance this time.

Stand up, dust yourselve down and be content and satisfied with what you possess and deserve. Do not wish the impossible.

Al-Ghaznawi knows what he is talking about because he is not a plastic.

BTW, is this your post mr fan of Ghaznavi?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/343749-post39.html

[graveyardofempires]

BTW, is this your post mr fan of Ghaznavi?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/343749-post39.html

this guy is an imposter
dont feed the trolls

[khyaal]

this guy is an imposter
dont feed the trolls

LOL. Yeah, got it.

[khyaal]

Your are insane. Settle the above with Ghaznavi.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Just because Tajik Nationalists hijack the concept of Khorasaan for Tajik nationalism; doesn't mean that's what Ahmad Shah Abdali intended.

The Khorasaan of Ahmad Shah is different than then Khorasaan of Mir Ghazzab and Tajiks who have an ethnic inferiority complex.

Same term, different concept.

[Nick]

Dear Nick jana,

Thank you for your post and taking time out to explain somethings. Racism is indeed wrong. However when one is a victim of it, then one tends to react.

I made a joke about the "D*****r" line (I won't say the word as I might offend Manzareh and hurt his feelings) and two Pakistanis started attacking me. If the use of the term "D******r" is racist and causes pain to both Manzareh and the troll above then I will refrain from it. However maybe they should start by complaining about the "D*** appreciation thread".

Anyway,

1. Nick Jana, your reality as an Afghan is different to my reality as a Bengali. The way a Pakistani, especially a Punjabi/Hindustani will treat you is different to the way they treat me. My dislike of Pakistan is not based on the standard PF line of "I have no problem with Pakistanis, it is the regime I hate". Rather it is the other way around. You cannot dislike a people for the actions of their regime, this is very immature and the most extreme examples of this I have seen amongst Arabs (I lived in the Arab world and speak Arabic).

Punjabis/Hindustanis are extremely racist to us Bengalis
- I am not calling for the break up of Pakistan, though if Balochis, Sindhis and Pashtuns do gain their freedom as we Bengalis did, I will pray 2 rakah salah (namaz) thanking Allah in the same way Hazrat Umar (radi'Allahu anhu ta'ala) prayed 2 rakah salah when Allah destroyed the kingdom of the arrogant Iranian despot of the time.

Dear Bengal iqnore as what you can because this world is much too complicated than it looks.

While I agree in times Punjabis did what was haram I heard of their acts and rape crimes and etc but that was not promoted by Islam right? It was a war a war on settling Bengals. Pakistan tried to keep what was gifted them, and so it was the distance otherwise Bangaldesh would never have existed on the map. The long distance and traveling from China or India it was difficult for Pakistan to get their troops into Bangladesh. You guys are luck unlike Pashtuns and Baluch who are stuck with over 300,000 soldiers, as well as Properganda and Islam mixed all together they have pulled many Pashtuns into a lost vision of Pakistan, well not all but as I said before only 25 % mainly living in big cities like Karachi.

Also I gave a hint of how we are talking here about Race, nation building and yet everyday people die of hunger, Pashtuns die from both side and here we Tajik are much of careless to what happens and some of us lost in the mids of Iranian and Shia influnce.
Education is the Key and we need to inform people. We are all have the same information we wouldn't be so racist or personal right?
SO u do what you do best inform people. I do my part, Islam is our religion and peace is our path. Unfortunatly for us Afghans there is no peace unless we build a country that we can call Afghanistan Land of Afghans, 15-17 million Afghans on the side of the artifical makes this Afghanistan weak and weaker.

[Admin Khan]

Mirza_Ghalib,
If you can't post a rebuttal without insults, perhaps this isn't the best place for your to contribute. Please refrain from such low-quality posts. You are indirectly giving your Tajik nation a bad name. For the sake of your own ethnic group, don't live up to the stereotypes coined around. Parsiwaans are better than that, trust me. Try again, and I look forward to your second attempt.

[khushal]

I think you and the comedy that is 'nick' epitomizes everything that is wrong with Pashtons and Al-Ghaznawi epitomizes everything that is good and honourable about Pashtons. You're a sad outfit.

How could you come to the conclusion that Al-Ghaznawi is spreading hatred towards "non-Pashto speaking afghans? If anything, he is amongst the finger count people who are trying to objectively and reasonably assess the problems, while showing consideration for the aspiration and feelings of other ethnic groups as well.

Taking into consideration what you wrote, I don't think you have a quarter of honour that Al-Ghaznawi has. He is striving to mend his broken nation, whereas it's you who is SPREADING MISINFORMATION and misleading readersm, giving people a false notion of power.

Listen, wroora, the days of "Dae Pakhtunistan Zemong" drums from Kabul are well and truely OVER. The sooner you numpties realize this, the better you'd come out of this doomness. Tajiks and others are well-entrenched, well-armed and very, very motivated. They won't give you a chance this time.

Stand up, dust yourselve down and be content and satisfied with what you possess and deserve. Do not wish the impossible.

Al-Ghaznawi knows what he is talking about because he is not a plastic.

Yes you are well entrenched, motivated, that's why you need NATO forces to protect you and your cowardly criminal leaders. lets see if you can talk like that when your not hiding behind NATO soldiers protecting you like the women folk you are.

[Toramana]

Hi I would not approve of insult hurled at my people or offenses committed against my language but what Khyaal says is a figment of his imagination and a consequence of his romance. The unrealistic, un-objective fantasy world he has woven around himself has no place in the contemporary times looking at the ground realities....

For God's sake Pashtun don't descend into another internecine war with others and stick to what is yours....We cannot afford one or two more generations lost to violence and neglect if we don't want to land in the dust-bin of history once for all.
This is what Al-Ghaznavi wants to say (pardon Al-Ghaznavi if I am wrong). And I support him in this thinking.

Khyaal is just a romanticist...Za yai da pondo na paijanama...

[khyaal]

Hi I would not approve of insult hurled at my people or offenses committed against my language but what Khyaal says is a figment of his imagination and a consequence of his romance. The unrealistic, un-objective fantasy world he has woven around himself has no place in the contemporary times looking at the ground realities....

For God's sake Pashtun don't descend into another internecine war with others and stick to what is yours....We cannot afford one or two more generations lost to violence and neglect if we don't want to land in the dust-bin of history once for all.
This is what Al-Ghaznavi wants to say (pardon Al-Ghaznavi if I am wrong). And I support him in this thinking.

Khyaal is just a romanticist...Za yai da pondo na paijanama...

LOL. Due to the high frequency of accusing others of being utopian and fantastic has caused your judgement to be carrying no credibility or worth whatsoever. Ironically what you wish to be realized is based on a series of highly odd coincidences.

Another thing, your co ideologist doesn't support any pashtun unity. Read just this. http://www.pashtunforums.com/391337-post26.html

I know what he will say about this but don't be gullible just as you are/were about Barakzai.

[Nick]

Dear Nick jana,

Thank you for your post and taking time out to explain somethings. Racism is indeed wrong. However when one is a victim of it, then one tends to react.

I made a joke about the "D*****r" line (I won't say the word as I might offend Manzareh and hurt his feelings) and two Pakistanis started attacking me. If the use of the term "D******r" is racist and causes pain to both Manzareh and the troll above then I will refrain from it. However maybe they should start by complaining about the "D*** appreciation thread".

Anyway,

1. Nick Jana, your reality as an Afghan is different to my reality as a Bengali. The way a Pakistani, especially a Punjabi/Hindustani will treat you is different to the way they treat me. My dislike of Pakistan is not based on the standard PF line of "I have no problem with Pakistanis, it is the regime I hate". Rather it is the other way around. You cannot dislike a people for the actions of their regime, this is very immature and the most extreme examples of this I have seen amongst Arabs (I lived in the Arab world and speak Arabic).

Punjabis/Hindustanis are extremely racist to us Bengalis whereas with Afghans/Pakhtoons there is a degree of respect since you are racially more similar to them and culturally more similar too e.g. dress and so on.

I however am not calling for any action against Pakistan.

- I am not calling for a war or military action against Pakistan or saying anything like there must be international military action to save nuclear weapons from falling in to the hands of terrorists (they actually already are, as the Pakistan army is itself a terrorist force).

- I am not calling for sanctions.

- I am not calling for the break up of Pakistan, though if Balochis, Sindhis and Pashtuns do gain their freedom as we Bengalis did, I will pray 2 rakah salah (namaz) thanking Allah in the same way Hazrat Umar (radi'Allahu anhu ta'ala) prayed 2 rakah salah when Allah destroyed the kingdom of the arrogant Iranian despot of the time.

- I am not calling for any action against Pakistanis abroad e.g. when the US a few years ago considered restrictions on British citizens of Pakistani origin.

In short I am not calling for any action against this state. Whereas our Hindustani friend, the troll above, has called for the mass deportation of Afghans as Iran has done in the past. I am participating in Pashtun forums because:

1. I have been invited to, and I will leave if ever asked (not by trolls or sensitive people like Manzareh but by legitimate people e.g. the admin team).

2. Pashtuns e.g. the ANP supported us Bengalis in our darkest hour and many Pashtun soldiers in the Pakistan army refused to carry out atrocities against Bengalis, in the same way their ancestors refused to kill Iraqi Muslims for the British in the 1920s.

3. I am supposedly of Pashtun lineage myself. This could be false. I do not care. I am a proud Bengali and my respect for Pakhtoons is not based upon this but for their culture and their values of honour, courage and truthfulness i.e. Pashtunwali. However this is worth mentioning.

4. Afghanistan is a fellow Muslim country and member of SAARC, so in our region.

I am interested in politics and so I come to reciprocate the support Pashtun nationalists (not all Pashtuns of course e.g. the Kafir Maseed, Manzareh types) gave my people in the past, and also to follow developments. If you read carefully I do not recommend any specific action against Pakistan and at the most will express amusement at its demise.

Anyway Nick jana, I used to read your posts on Afghansite a few years ago and have a great deal of respect for you. You said in your post that Afghanistan is economically dependent upon Pakistan. This is a sad reality. However Uzbekistan and other states are also landlocked. Key factors which can help promote the growth of Afghanistan are this:

1. Education, including creating a highly educated and talented workforce that can contribute to the country and also work abroad.

2. Diapsora, utilizing the Afghan diaspora abroad to increase remittance money to Afghanistan and focusing this money in key development projects which improve the country.

The Afghan government should support Afghan lobby groups abroad and use them to promote the Afghan cause as the Jewish and Armenian lobbies do.

There are other things I could suggest but they would require a stable government and law and order which unfortunately do not exist and will be prevented from existing including by certain malicious powers to the east of Afghanistan.

However I am 200% sure that Afghanistan will one day flourish again. This is a land where commitment to the "Watan" is greater amongst its constituent peoples than in Iran and definitely your Indic neighbours to the east. This is the land of Baba Ahmed Shah Abdali, the land which played a major part in destroying the USSR and subsequent freedom for hundreds of millions of people all over the world. Afghans are a resilient race, and it is this resilience and strength of character which is Afghanistan's greatest strength.

So yes, there will be difficulties and problems but the land of Afghanistan will prevail against artificially created states next to it.

- Bengal Tiger.

Punjabis/Hindustanis are extremely racist to us Bengalis whereas with Afghans/Pakhtoons there is a degree of respect since you are racially more similar to them and culturally more similar too e.g. dress and so on.

This same way some of our Afghan brothers are racist agianst Panjabis and look down at them hint the reference "D*** K*** " and we have to accept that we humans are weak and get emotional very fast.

I am not calling for a war or military action against Pakistan or saying anything like there must be international military action to save nuclear weapons from falling in to the hands of terrorists (they actually already are, as the Pakistan army is itself a terrorist force).

I agree

- I am not calling for sanctions.

I am LOL

- I am not calling for the break up of Pakistan, though if Balochis, Sindhis and Pashtuns do gain their freedom as we Bengalis did, I will pray 2 rakah salah (namaz) thanking Allah in the same way Hazrat Umar (radi'Allahu anhu ta'ala) prayed 2 rakah salah when Allah destroyed the kingdom of the arrogant Iranian despot of the time.

May Allah grant you that praying position, and accepts your prayer for as you Banglis when through what Pashtuns are facing today, maybe differently as in the sense that Next to Sindh Pashtuns are same numbered as Mahajurs, and are huge number as well as influncer and dominated historical rulers of Anciant Northen India specially during Early stages of Islam in India.

1. I have been invited to, and I will leave if ever asked (not by trolls or sensitive people like Manzareh but by legitimate people e.g. the admin team).

As I said you are Good at what you do best. You are a Pashtun and so are few others including my self, you are non-Afghan by Race, is even more respected. Because you care about the Pashtun people. You care about their sufferings, you don't like the way Pakistan treats them. I respect you as a non-Pashtun, for I know how you feel. Very few people care about Pashtuns nowadays for they have been left alone and has battled the world. Their generations are the most poor and more uneducated and politics have brainwashed them and created disunity thanks to British, British slave Pakistan and Russians and other regional players.
You are most welcomed in this forum, and I am very sure many Pashtuns feel same.

3. I am supposedly of Pashtun lineage myself. This could be false. I do not care. I am a proud Bengali and my respect for Pakhtoons is not based upon this but for their culture and their values of honour, courage and truthfulness i.e. Pashtunwali. However this is worth mentioning.

Historically speaking you are right, large number of Afghans also went to India, either as rulers, generals, soldiers or as settlers whatever it maybe, they numbers were large and they were influncer as well and its greatly respected that you shared with us. I once meet a Bangali with last name was Behraksi lol funny when pronouncing it, but he knew who he was, however like many Afghans he was too mixed and according to him they came in Bangladesh even before Mughals.

Anyway Nick jana, I used to read your posts on Afghansite a few years ago and have a great deal of respect for you

Sorry I can't remember you but you have earned my respect in this forum, now I was so interested in joining Khyber forum but some how I felt it wasn't a good idea since I don't speak Pashtu. Even in this forum when I was invided I was not sure. Chiakhana was some weird place I was about to join cause I was invited for backlash back in 2006 lol now I am not sure if its still open.

You said in your post that Afghanistan is economically dependent upon Pakistan. This is a sad reality.

Sometimes its hard to face realities and I did. What I said is true and not I but whole world knows and yet many Afghan put blind over this. We depend of Pakistan but that's because of What westerners want, once they leave or before they leave. Karzai to do be enslaved so that Afghanistan can be forced into accepting what Pakistan wants in the future, as you and I and many of including Punjabis themselves know how currupted their government is at the same time how strong internationally an allie of indirectly western puppet, and strong regional militarily, Secret Intelligence Agency, policing etc.

However Uzbekistan and other states are also landlocked. Key factors which can help promote the growth of Afghanistan are this:

My friend I lived 4 years in Tajikistan and some time in Tashkand before moving out, and I was 16 back than, and grade 11 of Tajikistan. We studied alot and Russian former communist Government structure was still alive. Anyways since you mentioned Uzbekistan, I wanted to let you know that Uzbekistan has is same as what Pakistan and Israel has yep the backup of a giant super power. Like Pakistan, and Israel Uzbekistan also received foreign Aid not by UK or CIA but by the Russians. Yearly one way or the other, well Tajikistan receives more, aside from foreign aid, there is another form of AID. Uzbekistan pays no Tax, Central Asian products can easily reach Europe, wonder why Afghan Puppys are famous in Eastern Europe.

Please do not give Uzbekistan as an Example. Because Pakistan can produce every damn minral and vigges or fuites right from Pashtunistan because its seasons and weather is almost fit to Afghanistan, as well as Iran on the West and China and northern regions. One way or the other Afghan native products can be challenged by Pakistan or Iran if we produce enough to Export shipment is expensive so why would Bangalis or Indians or Indonasians would bother by Afghan products which costs even more expensive than Irani and Pakistani products.

Above all what I said 3 things that Uzbekistan has which Afghanistan either doesn't have or lack discover or difficult to produce.
a) Gold
b) Natural Gas
c) Cotton
Uzbekistan with population of 27 million now which was population of Afghanistan in 1999 unlike Afghanistan is flat the land of anciant Sogdian is beautiful and great for farming. Uzbekistan is a country and its proudly an Uzbek nation with 80% of its population speaking Uzbeki as mother tongue, thanks to Russians who seperated the Turkic Persians speaker from Turkic Uzbeki speakers and Russians like British did to Pakistan ie moving of Hindu/Sikhs into India and vis-versa replaced with Northern non-Punjabi, Punjabi and non-Sindhi muslims. The Russians basically clean the land for the Uzbeks and displaced the Tajiks into cold regions of modern Tajikistan to become a nation in the future and many of its population flet to Afghanistan in 19th and 20th century.

Even Today Tajikistan is most poorest Nation in Asia, economically Afghanistan gave them a boost since we needed electricity and that's what they can produce which many of their neighbours don't need. Tajikistan is a land locked and it fully depends on Russian aid, many form of Aid including militarily.

So Uzbekistan is the only richest country of former Soviet Unions second comes Turkmanistan again we know Turkmenistan is very stable and some 5 million they are still rich with energy to sell.

Education, including creating a highly educated and talented workforce that can contribute to the country and also work abroad.

afghanistan is far from that lol maybe in 2050

2. Diapsora, utilizing the Afghan diaspora abroad to increase remittance money to Afghanistan and focusing this money in key development projects which improve the country.

Ok so what without Americans these development projects would be worthless.

The Afghan government should support Afghan lobby groups abroad and use them to promote the Afghan cause as the Jewish and Armenian lobbies do.

Afghan Government is not that strong, even Karzai many people doesn't like his Government including myself. Where as Jewish Lobby LOL brother no disrespect but if you want you can study modern Banking system, Interest rate settings, Credit union development projects as well lending money etc. Jewish Lobby had hand in the west since early industral era. They are way too strong and Armenian lobby well not too strong as Jewish organizations, but still they are everywhere involved in Christanizationing of other nations.

There are other things I could suggest but they would require a stable government and law and order which unfortunately do not exist and will be prevented from existing including by certain malicious powers to the east of Afghanistan.

you got it right.