Afghan-e-Ghul: Term Origins

[Shayesta]

Shayesta, I can't help but feel racist towards Tajiks,Uzbeks and Hazaras after what Zemaryali wrote.

You just can't base your opinion out of what an individual says what he experience, and same goes about my side of the story by the way. Those Tajiks in West don't even notice any difference with their Pukhtoon countrymen and I in fact have asked some if they were Tajiks or Pukhtoons and they ended up saying 'we are all Afghans, don't insult me again by asking me such a stupid question'. Literally only people whom I found biased in Kabul were the elder ones and I said, most of the time it's the non-Tajiks who throw jokes at Pukhtoons but yet sadly enough Tajiks are being accused of racism. Trust me, Tajiks by far (even their in politics) and as bad as are Hazaras and Uzbeks. But again, exceptions exists on all sides in all thinking. You really have to visit Afghanistan for that once because before visiting Afghanistan, even I was extremely racist towards non-Pukhtoons and all that because I was misinformed about them all those time.

In fact, finding a Tajik in Kabul who says he is Afghan is almost rare. Just like how Pashtuns of Afghanistan are closely related to Pakistan they are more comfortable with Tajikistan and Iran due to common language.

Hmm,, I guess only those Tajiks I met (youngsters I mean) were referring themselves as Afghans then. And about them feeling close to Iran, all I heard them do is insult Iran and especially in Herat negativity seems to grow towards Iran. Tajikistan indeed is liked but then we got no political conflict with them and it's only our weakness that Tajiks are able to interact with Tajikistanis to get closer to them, while all Pukhtoons are busy with is facing troubles.

I dont know what kind of tajiks you met that hate the Afghan word or even Kabulis? I was there a week ago and there was nothing like that, there more proud Afghans than most of Pashtuns.

This is the reason I am surprised at some comments here as well? I do accept that exceptions exist and indeed racism still exists, but I seriously didn't face any discrimination and nor any discomfort? I was talking Pukhto during my entire stay, everywhere I went, and people were absolutely fine replying me in Pukhto. Even though I was struggling to understand their Pukhto.

[Toramana]

This is the reason I am surprised at some comments here as well? I do accept that exceptions exist and indeed racism still exists, but I seriously didn't face any discrimination and nor any discomfort? I was talking Pukhto during my entire stay, everywhere I went, and people were absolutely fine replying me in Pukhto. Even though I was struggling to understand their Pukhto.

Shayesta, I am so sorry but it seems your own circumstances compel you to paint this rosy picture of very affectionate relations between Pashtuns and Tajaks. This is because you have relatives that are Tajaks. Some other individuals are also trying to do the same.

This is a great injustice to Pashtuns/Afghans. One should not be hypersensitive but there are genuine suspicions and outstanding matters that exist between Pashtuns and non-Pashtuns and Pashtuns should be aware of them.

[Shayesta]

^ I won't deny this regarding Mazar because I had a Mazari friend who said people of Mazar are quiet biased not only towards Pukhtoons, but every single non-Mazari. But Mazar is an extremely mixed city and when you see the faces two names will come up; Hazaras, and Uzbeks. And Edris even lives in Herat and I also got relatives in Herat who wouldn't ever mention anything against them in Herat, though in Mazar this had been the case with my relatives years ago which has calmed down now. In Kabul I noticed a lot of racism towards Hazaras and I saw how Panjsheris were in power, I also heard of arguments about Pukhtoons and non-Pukhtoons, but of racism I heard only a little. And you might know me from CK, right? Compare this thinking of mine of Tajiks with the thinking I had years before. After visiting Kabul, I saw that it's main Hazaras and Uzbeks and other ethnics who show biasedness, Tajiks ain't even half of them.

Though, as you said, I indeed might very well be mistaken.

[Feroza_Banu]

There is no point of painting a rosy picture. We are hated and this is a clear fact. I agree with what Toramana said. We Afghans have to be aware of our enemies.

Pashtoons are not so angels in Afghanistan... u see

Pashtoons have killed and mistreated enough hazaras, tajiks and uzbaks in Afghanistan... I am surprised they don't hate us as much as they SHOULD!

the best thing is to just forget the past and hope that everyone else is able to do the same... because the past has been very bloody on each side... and to forget it and move on is the ONLY way we can progress towards a stable and strong and united Afghanistan.

[Zahed]

Pashtoons are not so angels in Afghanistan... u see

Pashtoons have killed and mistreated enough hazaras, tajiks and uzbaks in Afghanistan... I am surprised they don't hate us as much as they SHOULD!

the best thing is to just forget the past and hope that everyone else is able to do the same... because the past has been very bloody on each side... and to forget it and move on is the ONLY way we can progress towards a stable and strong and united Afghanistan.

'n this is the thing some Pashtoons 're not willing to admit. they got mentalities like we can do anything to anyone we want to oo dare if someone does the same back to us! that's not how it works mate, north has faced a lot of discrimination in the past but the people exaggerate about north of being biased, it wasn't the Tajik army invading Pashtoons remember? politically all of us 're a bunch of incompetents but ethnically we 've all suffered enuf now. 'n besides its only Mazar which is being obsessed with Iran 'cause they 're literally only northerners who 're prepared for a separation.

[Feroza_Banu]

'n this is the thing some Pashtoons 're not willing to admit. they got mentalities like we can do anything to anyone we want to oo dare if someone does the same back to us! that's not how it works mate, north has faced a lot of discrimination in the past but the people exaggerate about north of being biased, it wasn't the Tajik army invading Pashtoons remember? politically all of us 're a bunch of incompetents but ethnically we 've all suffered enuf now. 'n besides its only Mazar which is being obsessed with Iran 'cause they 're literally only northerners who 're prepared for a separation.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Lets all make a Dua for unity for Feroza.

I pray for AFghan unity ALl the time... I hate to read emotional comments here from young generation about "I hate tajiks, i hate this i hate that" THis isn't the time for it. If we are not going to learn now we will not learn EVER. LEts forget about the past. We haven't been such angels ourselves so we can't blame others either. We are going to pay a heavy price if we dn't unite under this flag... and that price is going to be Afghanistan!

[Feroza_Banu]

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[Shayesta]

Pashtoons have killed and mistreated enough hazaras, tajiks and uzbaks in Afghanistan... I am surprised they don't hate us as much as they SHOULD!

If some of us have so much hatred for Tajiks because of what Northern Alliance did to Pukhtoons of whom majority were Taliban supporters in the North, then how much hatred they would have had in their hearts if Northern Alliance had done the exact same things to us, as what we did to them all those decades? And the funniest thing is that those vicious acts were put into practice by Uzbeks and Hazaras in more than double the number of Tajiks, yet Tajiks are being criticized the most.

[Toramana]

I am sorry but Feroza_Bano and Shayesta due to their circumstances in having relatives who happen to be Tajaks are trying desperately to find a justification for the vilification campaign Tajaks in particular have been carrying out against Pashtuns. They want to tell Pashtuns that "as you have been very sinister/evil in history, so Tajaks, in particular, have the right to do whatever they want to do to you".

This is a lame logic. The first thing I will ask them is, why are you counting the deads by the Tajakized/Persianized kings of Kabul, who were more concerned about their throne than any well being of Pashtuns as the mischief of entire Pashtun nation? These Kings treated Pashtuns equally brutly whenever a threat arose to their power from Pashtuns. The iron-king, like Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, who couldn't utter even a word of Pashto, handled every one with an iron-fist in order to establish his rule. As for what the Taleban did, that was a civil war and a reaction to what Tajaks in particular had done to Pashtuns in Kabul and in the north before that.

The term Afghan-e-Ghual is not a recent one and Tajaks have been frequently using it in their smear campaign against Pashtuns, other examples of which include Kite Runners and a thousand splendid sons, a malicious attempt to malign Pashtuns internationally.

As for the unity, it is not so simple. It is not like a family matter where the good/utopian wishes of two ladies would result in love-relations between entire groups. It is between nations. Nations and groups have a clear understanding of what their interests are and as for as Tajaks are concerned, they know very well, what serves their interests well whether sentiments of blind brotherhood or a well-thought out policy of hegemonic extension of Persian/Tajak culture under the pretentions of brotherly unity or outright animosity whatever suits them. them.

Kindly, don''t see this matter of paramount importance to collective well being of Pashtuns through the goggles of family or extended family relations or other compulsions. See it through inter-nations/groups political or cultural dynamics.

[Shayesta]

^ You haven't been reading some replies correctly, have you? If you had read more about the Northern Alliance in North, you would have found out that Tajiks by far ain't named as often as are Uzbeks and Hazaras while torturing Pukhtoons. And if you think me and Feroza are trying to bring the across message that if Pukhtoons tortured then so can Tajiks, then even I can say you support the idea of what Zahed named which goes like we can torture anyone we want but oh dare of anyone does the same back! Every action has a reaction ad if you seriously are gonna say Tajiks kicked off ethnic tensions, then you are only kidding yourself.

As far as the 'Persianized' kings go, all of them were Pukhtoons who contributed more to Dari than Pukhto, and cared more for their power than their nation; Now how are Tajiks guilty in this? And yeah Abdur Rahman served Afghans really well by selling half it's soil, plus bringing slavery on Hazaras. And what exactly did Tajiks do to Pukhtoons in North before the Taliban? Thousands Splendid Suns was written by one of the bigots who truly hates Pukhtoons and there is no doubt in it, but I doubt the entire Tajik nation helped him out with his books? Especially since his films had Iranian actors says enough of his motives.

And for the sake of their own wellbeing maybe Pukhtoons need to start thinking of other people's wellbeing as well, for example by just leaving the Northern areas alone. And if they use Afghan-e-Ghool, then many Pukhtoons use the words Parsiwane Beghairat, or refer Kabuli men as 'izzakan'.

[Feroza_Banu]

I am sorry but Feroza_Bano and Shayesta due to their circumstances in having relatives who happen to be Tajaks are trying desperately to find a justification for the vilification campaign Tajaks in particular have been carrying out against Pashtuns. They want to tell Pashtuns that "as you have been very sinister/evil in history, so Tajaks, in particular, have the right to do whatever they want to do to you".

This is a lame logic. The first thing I will ask them is, why are you counting the deads by the Tajakized/Persianized kings of Kabul, who were more concerned about their throne than any well being of Pashtuns as the mischief of entire Pashtun nation? These Kings treated Pashtuns equally brutly whenever a threat arose to their power from Pashtuns. The iron-king, like Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, who couldn't utter even a word of Pashto, handled every one with an iron-fist in order to establish his rule. As for what the Taleban did, that was a civil war and a reaction to what Tajaks in particular had done to Pashtuns in Kabul and in the north before that.

The term Afghan-e-Ghual is not a recent one and Tajaks have been frequently using it in their smear campaign against Pashtuns, other examples of which include Kite Runners and a thousand splendid sons, a malicious attempt to malign Pashtuns internationally.

As for the unity, it is not so simple. It is not like a family matter where the good/utopian wishes of two ladies would result in love-relations between entire groups. It is between nations. Nations and groups have a clear understanding of what their interests are and as for as Tajaks are concerned, they know very well, what serves their interests well whether sentiments of blind brotherhood or a well-thought out policy of hegemonic extension of Persian/Tajak culture under the pretentions of brotherly unity or outright animosity whatever suits them. them.

Kindly, don''t see this matter of paramount importance to collective well being of Pashtuns through the goggles of family or extended family relations or other compulsions. See it through inter-nations/groups political or cultural dynamics.

What a waste of space you are. you couldn't find anything worth while to write so you started writing about me having tajik relatives which is why i Back Afghan unity? I didn't know i have tajik relatives...but thanks for telling me because I am going to go find them now.

You are ignorant... thats the bottom line. The ones who chant the slogan of Unity between all ethnic groups in Afghanistan are indeed the most patriotic ones... We are for the best interest of our Country... and people like you who like to create ethnic tension amongst us Afghans are OUR ENEMIES.

Whatever i write, i try to tell the truth, my opinion is not biased and definitely not one sided. I am for telling the truth, even if it means pointing fingers at my own blood at my own parents.

I hate double faced hypocrites , the ones who only speak highly of their own kind and ignore the positive sides of others... they are the worst of human beings... and i wouldn't want to be the worst.