Afghan-e-Ghul: Term Origins

[Feroza_Banu]

Kabulis especially think they are better than the rest of people in Afghanistan. They basically have a deragatory term for EVERY ethnic group in Afghanistan. To them no one can ever match their Class and Quality of life... they believe they are extremely civilized and modern people...

The term Awghan e ghool is mostly used by hazaras ... hazaras literally hate Pashtoons lol. but then again in Afghanistan there is deragatory term for every ethnic group...

examples

hazara e bini puchuq "hazara a flat nosed"
Hazara Mosh khor "Hazaras eat rats"
Uzbak e Kala Kham "uzbaks who have raw heads"
Kabuli Naan e Moli "Kabuli the stingy who eats bread and mooli"
Kabuli Kachalo Khor "kabuli who eats kachalo = stingy"
Herati Gozok "Herati who fart" I swear i don't know why they are named gozok but they are... I am sorry i am just giving examples... i don't agree to these
Farahi "Gozok again... farty people"
Kandaaari "Payloch... shoeless or loafer, or lochak"
Laghman "shaadi baaz...the ones who have monkeys"
Laghmani "420..."
Logari "Dhool wala"
Wardag "Ghool... 100000 of jokes about wardaks and them being stupid"
Tajik "baighairat... very famous... "
Hazara "sust... "

so u want me to go on?

these are normal in every country... imagine if i make list of deragatory terms they have in India for different casts and different ethnicities... u will have more than 100 pages

The reality behind all of this is that none of them should be used. NONE OF THEM. we need to respect each other! and that is the bottom line!

[Mayana]

I've heard the term "Awghaan'e Ghool"; alluding to the fact that some Pashtuns can't even pronounce the F in Afghan right and say Awghan and still claim to be the true Afghans.. So yeah, Awghan is very derogatory, Awghan'e Ghul is used as a term to describe said ignorance and illiteracy, for the lack of better words.

[Michin Khel]

There is not much for me to add Shamaar. Admin Khan summarized it beautifully. Afghan is an exclusive term for Pashtuns. They insult us by calling us Afghan e Ghul.

A minority is insulting you? dear afghans what has become of you, scary persianised kittens?

In pakistan every one fear "pathans", the non-pashtun cant talk ill to us on face, but in afghanistan...

[Zemaryalai]

salamona to all you,

I was in Afghanistan for the past few months and spent most of my time in Kabul. I travelled throughout the province this time and I can tell you these ******* dariwans have taken over the whole province. The Tajiks have dominated places like paghman, pul-charkhi,charasiab and many parts of deh-sabz, khaak jabaar and paghman. Guldara, shakardara and the rest of the northern districts are 100% tajik now. The hazara beni puchuq have taken over all of western kabul and have even forcefully taken lands owned by pashtuns. There was a very big battle between hazaras and Pashtuns 2 months ago and the hazaras won. I completely disagree what shayesta has to say about their younger generation. The younger generation of these dariwans are more radical and dangerous. all of them are pro iran and tajikistan. all of Kabul's youth have voted for a young anti Pashtun candidate Baktash Siyawash who is winning right now and he is an iranian agent. now my point is that coming and chanting we are 60% of the kabul province will not solve anything for us. We should acknowledge today that we are not even 30% today in Kabul province and by accepting this we can fight back and take over Kabul but if we ignore this and still stick with our ignorance that we are a majority in that province we will definitely lose. Afghanistan is endager friends. the talk about partitioning afghanistan is all over the country and I am scared that if we pashtuns become more divided and weakened we will lose afghanistan in the near future.

[Zemaryalai]

I forgot to mention. right now the majority of Kabulis and non-kabuli dariwans (tajeks & hazaras) call themselves Khuraasani instead of Afghan and they use Aawghaan ghoul for us.

[Zemaryalai]

A minority is insulting you? dear afghans what has become of you, scary persianised kittens?

In pakistan every one fear "pathans", the non-pashtun cant talk ill to us on face, but in afghanistan...

yes unfortenately most pashtuns in afghanistan have turned into cowards. today Rabbani who is against pashtuns have been elected as the head of the peace council.

[Michin Khel]

thanks zemaralay for true updates

[khushal]

salamona to all you,

I was in Afghanistan for the past few months and spent most of my time in Kabul. I travelled throughout the province this time and I can tell you these ******* dariwans have taken over the whole province. The Tajiks have dominated places like paghman, pul-charkhi,charasiab and many parts of deh-sabz, khaak jabaar and paghman. Guldara, shakardara and the rest of the northern districts are 100% tajik now. The hazara beni puchuq have taken over all of western kabul and have even forcefully taken lands owned by pashtuns. There was a very big battle between hazaras and Pashtuns 2 months ago and the hazaras won. I completely disagree what shayesta has to say about their younger generation. The younger generation of these dariwans are more radical and dangerous. all of them are pro iran and tajikistan. all of Kabul's youth have voted for a young anti Pashtun candidate Baktash Siyawash who is winning right now and he is an iranian agent. now my point is that coming and chanting we are 60% of the kabul province will not solve anything for us. We should acknowledge today that we are not even 30% today in Kabul province and by accepting this we can fight back and take over Kabul but if we ignore this and still stick with our ignorance that we are a majority in that province we will definitely lose. Afghanistan is endager friends. the talk about partitioning afghanistan is all over the country and I am scared that if we pashtuns become more divided and weakened we will lose afghanistan in the near future.

This partition was planned from the beginning by the US. They initially brought up the idea back in early 2002, but realized it was not possible at the time. They just used the past nine years to shift the population around to define the future border and make it possible.
This Khurassan name will be used by the northerners since it will be an ethnick neutral name for the dariwans. The Pashtuns in the north will be a minority in the country and will eventually become persianized. Why do you think the Hazaras won in Kabul, they were meant to win. The hazaras are being armed by the US and are kicking out all Pashtuns living in Bamyaun.
The US is currently building up double abdullah to take over Kabul who is a big proponent of the partition. The US needs someone that is more submissive and more trustworthy in Kabul (future capital of khurassan), and the pashtuns historically has never fit that criteria.

[Shayesta]

@Mayana
Actually, if I am not mistaken, the term Awghan was given to us by Arabs but Persians changed it to Afghan? I think it was something similar and therefore some Pukhtoons use the term Afghan, some Awghan.

@Luffy
Yeah, people are oh so scared of the Pathans that you won't surprised receiving a Pathan joke daily on your mobile phone, or noticing Punjabis starting to grim as soon as a Pathan enters the room. Oh and of course, the number of hatred Punjabis receive from non-Punjabis and the cheapness their women are looked at; I witnessed myself how many men in Pekhawri are being ridiculously disrespectful of Punjabi women. Minority issue, aye? And don't worry about words thrown at us by minorities, worry about the bombs thrown at you by the majority.

@Zemaryalai
Even before visiting Kabul I was extremely misinformed about non-Pukhtoons there. My own Tajik relatives said I should be careful while talking Pukhto in an area full of Panjsheris because they might hurt me and guess what? From the airport till the hotels at least of the security guards were Panjsheris and none of them gave a damn about what language I spoke. Panjsheris are being pictured like a bunch of monsters while in reality only some of them in power hang around like a bunch of joker, while even the respect they used to hold once in Kabul is gradually fading away. And about Hazaras, I still noticed racism towards Hazaras. We went to Paghman and indeed huge number of Hazaras were there and when we stopped at this place, there were these other Badakhshi families who kept cursing and saying these 'bini puchuqa' make the entire atmosphere of this place look ugly. Heck, when there is a fight then people usually calm down, but when a Hazara is involved people won't leave a chance in giving them a punch or few with all the insults they can come up with. Also the province which is most hardcore non-Pukhtoon is Mazar-e-Sharif and even there more and more Pukhtoons start to reside and you will notice that a huge majority isn't Tajik; Uzbeks and Hazaras are to be found in huge numbers as well and since that city is known as a 'warlord city', very few people (even Tajiks) dare to move to the city. From my cousins' experience I foud out that literally only in Mazar people are ready for separation and are possibly the least patriotic Afghans ever; Despite of their development. And about Bamyan, their people are not just against Pukhtoons, they hate the entire nation along with its government. Apparently when you are driving around in Bamyan and you ain't a Bamyani, they will force you to pull back your car if you are standing in their way, despite of your ethnic. The people of Bamyan are said to be extremely poor and live an extremely 'low' life, that's their reason for being upset.

I did notice they are pretty fond of Tajikistan and nor do I have any problem with Tajikistan, but once again I only found the men on power to be in favor of Iran. Literally only two countries people seemed to be fond of were Tajikistan and India, that's it. For the rest they curse Pakistan, USA, UK and etcetera because they know what the game is all about. But when I asked them why none takes action to solve it, they kept quiet instead of honestly answering that with USA the billions of Dollars will go as well. Though I did notice people calling themselves Farsiwaan (because I haven't heard anyone use the word Tajik even once for himself as they think Tajik means someone from Tajikistan), Hazara and etcetera, but I still have the hear the term 'Khorasani'. And about winning back Kabul, had we not formed disaster after disaster, we wouldn't facing a Tajikistan-friendly country instead of an Afghan friendly country.

[tor_khan]

The one thing that Dari and Urdu (and English, for that matter) do really well is that they transcend ethnicity.

I love the Pashtoon people, but I hate ethnic pig-headedness that is obsessed with pure blood-lines. Trust me, I think it is important to know where you come from, but consider, if we want Pashto to be strong, then it has to radiate outwards, non-Pashtoons included and so that it can become the formidable language of business and education and not the language of some club where the members keep on falling out with one-another and running off to join other clubs. We delude ourselves with this mindset and it bothers me.

I feel that this is our Achilles Heal and this is why middle-class Pashtoons look upon their urban Persian and Hindustani counterparts and cry themselves to sleep because they feel helpless.

[Mayana]

salamona to all you,

I was in Afghanistan for the past few months and spent most of my time in Kabul. I travelled throughout the province this time and I can tell you these ******* dariwans have taken over the whole province. The Tajiks have dominated places like paghman, pul-charkhi,charasiab and many parts of deh-sabz, khaak jabaar and paghman. Guldara, shakardara and the rest of the northern districts are 100% tajik now. The hazara beni puchuq have taken over all of western kabul and have even forcefully taken lands owned by pashtuns. There was a very big battle between hazaras and Pashtuns 2 months ago and the hazaras won. I completely disagree what shayesta has to say about their younger generation. The younger generation of these dariwans are more radical and dangerous. all of them are pro iran and tajikistan. all of Kabul's youth have voted for a young anti Pashtun candidate Baktash Siyawash who is winning right now and he is an iranian agent. now my point is that coming and chanting we are 60% of the kabul province will not solve anything for us. We should acknowledge today that we are not even 30% today in Kabul province and by accepting this we can fight back and take over Kabul but if we ignore this and still stick with our ignorance that we are a majority in that province we will definitely lose. Afghanistan is endager friends. the talk about partitioning afghanistan is all over the country and I am scared that if we pashtuns become more divided and weakened we will lose afghanistan in the near future.

Let's please refrain from insults, Zemaryalai wrora =)

Shayesta, I can't help but feel racist towards Tajiks,Uzbeks and Hazaras after what Zemaryali wrote.

How can you base your opinion on your fellow Afghans on the "reports" of a virtual character and their lacking credibility?

[IamDZJ]

which ever thread you go to these days there is an argument over who is what and who called who what.
you all will always be what you tag each other as because none of you will let it go. you will keep reminding each other. peace and unity my foot, you people are headed straight to the gutter.

[Lemar]

I dont know what kind of tajiks you met that hate the Afghan word or even Kabulis?
I was there a week ago and there was nothing like that, there more proud Afghans than most of Pashtuns.
I have tajiks freinds and I have never seen them insult the term Afghan.
but I accept there are exceptions

[Toramana]

Shamar, the story you related dates back to 17th Century and has been mentioned in Makhzan-i-Afghani compiled by Nematullah Harvi on directives from Khan Jahan Lodhi the Pashtun general serving in the court of Mughal Emperor, Shah Jahan. The origin of the story is in Mughal-Pashtun enmity.

As we know Pashtuns and Mughals, being political rivals in Hindustan, have a long history of mutual and very bitter enmity e.g., the Mughal Babur defeated Pashtun Ibrahim Lodhi (alas with help from Pashtuns). Then Pashtun Sher Shah Suri defeated Hamanyun and evicted him from the throne of Dehli-Agra. But Akbar (Mughal) re-gained the throne by defeating Islam Shah Suri who was the grand son of Sher Shah Suri.

But there were still Pashtun states in the east-south of Hindustan (Behar-Bangal) that offered stiff resistance to Mughal expansion. Also, in the north, in the present KP, Byzid Ansari and the three generations of his progeny fought Mughals for almost 80 years. That was followed by the struggle by Khushal Khan Khattak and his companions Aimal Khan (Momand) and Darya Khan (Afridi) against Akbar and Aurangzeb etc.

This conflict between Mughals and Pashtuns was severe enough e.g., many Mughal armies were destroyed by Pashtuns (Yousafzais, Afridis, Momands, etc.) in the present KP (Khyber Pukhtunkhwa) to sow the seed of a permanent animosity between Pashtuns and Mughals. The animosity would also be played up in Mughal courts where courtiers would try to appease Mughal Emperors by talking against Pashtuns.

This particular myth is mentioned in Makhzan-i-Afghani where Nematullah Harvi tells us one day the Iranian/Persian Emissary told Shah Jahan and other coutiers that he has read in a book locked in some cupboard in Iran?persia that some demons had raped some women captured by Iranians the offsprings from which are Afghans/Pashtuns.

In fact, this insult prompted Khan Jahan Lodhi (who was the grandson of Daulat Khan Lodhi, the Pashtun governer of Punjab that helped Babur to defeat Ibrahim Lodhi) to have "Makhzan-i-Afghani"compiled in which Pashtuns/Afghans were linked to Ban-i-Israel (a race of prophets and knowledge and so better than Mughals).

[Shamaar]

Thanks a lot Toramana wror for that information.