Who is a Pashtun?

[Toramana]

Athiest like you with canadien citizenship with no knowlege of pashtun values and culture, should remain silent on these matters. I am even reluctant to call you proper pashtun.

i am a mystic...

[Michin Khel]

???
Da kho pata da de rojay ba na nisay kho biya de maghzu kharab di.

Mr. torakay it is not necessary that a pashto speakers will be a pashtun, there are damans and karigars also among us.

Any how westren breed like you should not be so bothered about us.

[Michin Khel]

i am a mystic...

mystic nu da khpalay kholay ta wagora.

Da sufiyan ma sharmawa.

[Toramana]

mystic nu da khpalay kholay ta wagora.

Da sufiyan ma sharmawa.

bacha ma kho sophyan kala ham na di sharmawali...za kho pa khpala yaw sofi yam...

[Michin Khel]

We dont need westren breed like you and others to direct us. We will decide the direction of our destiny by ourselves.
Dear torakay pashtuns here will stone apostate like you rathar than listening to your twisted & irrational thoughts about pashtuns, so stop bothering about pakhtunkhwa...bother about protecting your family from getting spoiled in the west.

[Pakhtunzai]

When I read all these posts I think no wonder we are where we are at the moment. Who gives a damn about whos pakhtun and who isn't or whos paki or who isn't and so on. One whos from Lar aw bar pakhtunistan, fully pakhto speaking and follows pakhtunwali is a pakhtun end of story!

I don't even classify myself as pakhtun because that was my past I've got over it and moved on. We being in this dunya forget what we are here for and what our aims are meant to be. Do you guys honestly think we will have pakhtunkhwa or a united pakhtunistan in this state? Its all a distant dream believe me. All this infighting will lead to nothing but more pain, anger and suffering between us. To think we were educated and in the west(There are some of you who are really good masha allah, keep it up). Oh brothers and sisters learn your lessons now while there are still chances.

[Shayesta]

I don't mind Nuristanis, To me they are pashtuns.

Even though majority of them speak Dari and some are very loyal to Ahmad Shah Massoud?

we are not madar pidar azaad like you people.

With your 'people like you' line, are you talking about Pukhtoons of Europe? If yes then define your view of 'freedom' in this regard?

[Michin Khel]

^ I was talking about athiest people.

For God sake dont quote things out of context, ready my posts you will realize that clear cut i was talking about athiests. Please get rid of this habit.

[BehavedMaseed]

We dont need westren breed like you and others to direct us. We will decide the direction of our destiny by ourselves.
Dear torakay pashtuns here will stone apostate like you rathar than listening to your twisted & irrational thoughts about pashtuns, so stop bothering about pakhtunkhwa...bother about protecting your family from getting spoiled in the west.

With Due respect luffy.

Pakhtunkhwa and Pashtun areas of Afghanistan need Pashtuns who are educated in the west to return and introduce some kind of benefit. I have noticed here in the UK 100s of Pashtuns who come here for education because their education in Pakistan and Afghanistan is very much corrupted and based on Rishwat.

I dont see any problem with Pashtuns from the West contributing to our development as a Nation because in the west the education is good quality, most of the professors in Pakistan have some training and education history from the West, I know Majors in Pakistan Army who get sent to the UK and America for educational training and developing skills for which they bring back to Pakistan that is why you see Lahore and mainstream areas of Punjab to be very civilised and developed.

If we neglect those who live in the west then what use will it be? The creators of Pakistan and the muslim league at the time had graduates from Western European Universities. Example:Jinnah spent most of his life in UK and got his skills and knowledge from there.

Our region is backward because of education and most of us Pashtuns beleive more in Angels and a person with a beard is seen as the most highest and most pious.

Our people in Pakhtunkhwa are not so free to gain access to information, media is watched by government and freedom to information is very much limited. In the West we can gain access to very much unbiased litrature and we can study both sides of the arguement freely without be harassed or watched by government etc.

Kind Regards zama Roara

[BehavedMaseed]

When I read all these posts I think no wonder we are where we are at the moment. Who gives a damn about whos pakhtun and who isn't or whos paki or who isn't and so on. One whos from Lar aw bar pakhtunistan, fully pakhto speaking and follows pakhtunwali is a pakhtun end of story!

I don't even classify myself as pakhtun because that was my past I've got over it and moved on. We being in this dunya forget what we are here for and what our aims are meant to be. Do you guys honestly think we will have pakhtunkhwa or a united pakhtunistan in this state? Its all a distant dream believe me. All this infighting will lead to nothing but more pain, anger and suffering between us. To think we were educated and in the west(There are some of you who are really good masha allah, keep it up). Oh brothers and sisters learn your lessons now while there are still chances.

Some of us take Pashtun Identity very seriously. You have be part of the 50 or so Pashtun tribes to be a Pashtun.

Has nothing to do with faith or lineage. If your part of a Pashtun tribe, then you are a Pashtun other than that people will be seen as confused.

Kind Regards

[Michin Khel]

With Due respect luffy.

Pakhtunkhwa and Pashtun areas of Afghanistan need Pashtuns who are educated in the west to return and introduce some kind of benefit. I have noticed here in the UK 100s of Pashtuns who come here for education because their education in Pakistan and Afghanistan is very much corrupted and based on Rishwat.

I dont see any problem with Pashtuns from the West contributing to our development as a Nation because in the west the education is good quality, most of the professors in Pakistan have some training and education history from the West, I know Majors in Pakistan Army who get sent to the UK and America for educational training and developing skills for which they bring back to Pakistan that is why you see Lahore and mainstream areas of Punjab to be very civilised and developed.

If we neglect those who live in the west then what use will it be? The creators of Pakistan and the muslim league at the time had graduates from Western European Universities. Example:Jinnah spent most of his life in UK and got his skills and knowledge from there.

Our region is backward because of education and most of us Pashtuns beleive more in Angels and a person with a beard is seen as the most highest and most pious.

Our people in Pakhtunkhwa are not so free to gain access to information, media is watched by government and freedom to information is very much limited. In the West we can gain access to very much unbiased litrature and we can study both sides of the arguement freely without be harassed or watched by government etc.

Kind Regards zama Roara

thats why i have requested them on this forum many times to return back to their homelands especially afghanistan to contribute effectively with their knowelgde and skill but they refuse this option every time when i raise this issue.

[BehavedMaseed]

Everyday I take advange of the knowledge gaining in the UK as One day I will return back and build my nation. How can we ever leave our motherland on her own. Her sons of the soil need to return one day.

Kind Regards

[ijaz yousafzai]

Pashto plays a big role in deciding who is Pashtun for me.

For example,
A son born to Pashtun parents who speaks Dari? Yes he is Pashtun racially but I would beg to differ culturally. If you cant smile to a Pashto joke and you rather ask "What did he say" and you have no efforts in learning the language. I would hesitate to call you a Pashtun. At least show me you care.

Another example,
A daughter born to non Pashtun parents who can speak, read and write Pashto. I would hug her and consider her a Pashtun.

A person born to a Pashtun father is, undeniably a Pakhtun. However whosoever( Pakhtun), who can not speak Pashto and does not do Pakhtunwali, he is not a " practising Pakhtun". Example is a Muslim who doent perform prayer, he is termed a " Bad Muslim".

[ijaz yousafzai]

A Pashtun who cant speak Pashto, doesn't care about Pashto, thinks Attan is garbage.

A Tajik/Hazara who speaks Pashto, cares about Pashto, will die for Pashto and does attan everyday.

Are you going to call the 2nd option a non-Pashtun and insult our ethnicity by considering the 1st one as Pashtun?

The first condition is pedigree, means, he should be an ethnic Pakhtun/Pashtun. The other qualities excell a person to be a good/ better/best Pakhtun. The second type you mentioned, is not, what means a Pakhtun. It is like giving charity by a Christian and excercising other Muslim virtues without saying "Kalima Tayyaba", you do not call him a " Muslim".

[Dawezai]

A Pashtun is person who speaks Pashto, follows Pashtunwali, and has common political, economic, social and cultural stakes with Pashtuns.