Pedophilia in Pashtun society

[khushal]

In society A I guess you mean the western society, men in dress are drag queens who do it themself, they are not forced by other men to dress like that.
When in society B here Afghanistan grown men who can't get sex with women dress littel boys as girls and force them, it clearly shows sexual frustration, the same happen also in prison, when men see other men who are weaker or slightly feminine they get raped.
If the men were not frustrated they would not dress them as girls, it clearly show that they still desire a woman and not a boy or another man.

Society A does not have to be western or eastern. I am giving you variables that define society A and variables that define Society B and force is not a factor here. We are talking about the trigger of why a the practice of a certain deviancy increases in a society.

So why do men in society A enjoy watching other men dressed like women when there are real women available next door. If they desire women, why not watch women instead of men dressed like women. You have already admitted that these men in society A are not sexually frustrated since men and women are equally available.
As you have explained that in Society B, men dress boys in female attire because they desire females but none are available so why are the men being dressed as women in Society A. Those men should desire women as well since they are dressing men like women.

Your explanation does not make sense at all. The conclusion is the same in both societies but the social acceptance is different so therefore the social acceptance is the trigger.

In prison there are homosexuals and then there is homosexual behavior. There are homosexuals who are attracted to the same sex and then there are men who use the homosexual act to dominate other men. that is more about dominance

[Khostai]

Society A does not have to be western or eastern. I am giving you variables that define society A and variables that define Society B and force is not a factor here. We are talking about the trigger of why a the practice of a certain deviancy increases in a society.

So why do men in society A enjoy watching other men dressed like women when there are real women available next door. If they desire women, why not watch women instead of men dressed like women. You have already admitted that these men in society A are not sexually frustrated since men and women are equally available.
As you have explained that in Society B, men dress boys in female attire because they desire females but none are available so why are the men being dressed as women in Society A. Those men should desire women as well since they are dressing men like women.

Your explanation does not make sense at all. The conclusion is the same in both societies but the social acceptance is different so therefore the social acceptance is the trigger.

In prison there are homosexuals and then there is homosexual behavior. There are homosexuals who are attracted to the same sex and then there are men who use the homosexual act to dominate other men. that is more about dominance

You still dont get what I am trieng to explain....

[khushal]

You still dont get what I am trieng to explain....

I get it. Your saying that in Society B, they dress boys like females because there are no females available.

What I am saying is that in Society A where men and females are equally available, why do they dress men like women when women are available.

Remember force is not a factor here, the main factor is the demand for the deviancy.

Also back in ancient Greece, all the city states had men and women segregated except for Sparta and Sparta was known to be the one where pedophilia was most popular.

[Khostai]

I get it. Your saying that in Society B, they dress boys like females because there are no females available.

What I am saying is that in Society A where men and females are equally available, why do they dress men like women when women are available.

Remember force is not a factor here, the main factor is the demand for the deviancy.

Also back in ancient Greece, all the city states had men and women segregated except for Sparta and Sparta was known to be the one where pedophilia was most popular.

The main factor in Afghanistan is force, the dragqueens in western societies dress like women due to them feeling like women in the wrong body. They dress like that to express themself and make a show to earn some money, you cant compare that to what is happening in Afghanistan with bachabazi.

In Afghansiatn young boys are forced to dress like women to please men.

Whole Greece was full of homosexual behaviour due to segregation, it was even normal there to have a male lover -_-. In Sparta was the same thing but at least in Sparta the gay relationship was in the army between same age grown up men and not some littel kids and perverted old men.

[khushal]

The main factor in Afghanistan is force, the dragqueens in western societies dress like women due to them feeling like women in the wrong body. They dress like that to express themself and make a show to earn some money, you cant compare that to what is happening in Afghanistan with bachabazi.

In Afghansiatn young boys are forced to dress like women to please men.

Whole Greece was full of homosexual behaviour due to segregation, it was even normal there to have a male lover -_-. In Sparta was the same thing but at least in Sparta the gay relationship was in the army between same age grown up men and not some littel kids and perverted old men.

Khostia,
Your changing goal posts. Your original claim was that sexual frustration leads to an increase in sexual deviancy. Now your changing it to children are being forced into a life of abuse.
We all know the latter is true and that is not what the debate is about. It is about the former which is what your claim is.

What you are leaving out is the fact that in Western society with zero sexual frustration, pedophilia still exist so therefore scientifically speaking, that cant be the cause. Because it is illegal and socially unacceptable, much of this crime is unreported and is done in secrete.
Here is an article of what studies say is unreported child sex abuse:
http://content.time.com/time/health/...863650,00.html

So in essence the crime still exists, its just hidden just like how 50 years ago, homosexuality practice in the west was hidden and done in secrete. Today homosexuality is socially acceptable and as you are aware its very visible in western society.

Also you are wrong about Sparta. All the greek city states including Sparta had pederasty institutionalized and Sparta was the first one to institutionalize the practice. Even Plato had written about Spartan pederasty.
http://books.google.com/books?id=JgF...erasty&f=false

[Badlun]

Salam wrora, I hope all is well with you.

I dont deny whatsoever, that sexual deviancy is found in many societies, one can even argue its inherent to the human condition

But in the case of Afghanistan, in addition to this inherent sexual deviancy, the segregation of sexes is a factor that, in my opinion, aggravates the situation beyond what was already present

This is called truth!

[Badlun]

Khostia,
Your changing goal posts. Your original claim was that sexual frustration leads to an increase in sexual deviancy. Now your changing it to children are being forced into a life of abuse.
We all know the latter is true and that is not what the debate is about. It is about the former which is what your claim is.

What you are leaving out is the fact that in Western society with zero sexual frustration, pedophilia still exist so therefore scientifically speaking, that cant be the cause. Because it is illegal and socially unacceptable, much of this crime is unreported and is done in secrete.
Here is an article of what studies say is unreported child sex abuse:
http://content.time.com/time/health/...863650,00.html

So in essence the crime still exists, its just hidden just like how 50 years ago, homosexuality practice in the west was hidden and done in secrete. Today homosexuality is socially acceptable and as you are aware its very visible in western society.

Also you are wrong about Sparta. All the greek city states including Sparta had pederasty institutionalized and Sparta was the first one to institutionalize the practice. Even Plato had written about Spartan pederasty.
http://books.google.com/books?id=JgF...erasty&f=false

Dressing like women by men in the West is transsexuality which is a different sexual orientation different from usual homosexuality or bachabazi or child dancers in female clothes.

[pashtunprincess]

We pashtuns are most blessd people exist on planet **** our enemies and khostai guy is persain **** pretending 2 be pashtun

[khushal]

Dressing like women by men in the West is transsexuality which is a different sexual orientation different from usual homosexuality or bachabazi or child dancers in female clothes.

Men dressing like women is called "cross dressing." Straight, gay and bisexual men cross dress. The most famous man to cross dress was FBI director Hoover and he was no transsexual.

Khostia changing of goal posts was his original claim of sex segregation increases sexual deviancy into children are forced vs men in the West choose. You guys are assuming that Child molesters don't exist in the West but I have already proven it is very common and there is no real proof that one society has more child molesters than another society. It has to do with social acceptance.

Remember this clip:
No gays in Iran says Ahmadinejad - YouTube

People laugh at his comment about no homosexuals in Iran. Its the same as when you guys claim there are no Child molesters in the West. The homosexuals are hidden in Iran just like the Child molesters are hidden in the West. But in reality what Ahmedinijad is saying is that homosexuality is illegal in Iran, that it is not socially acceptable. But they do exist everywhere.

You don't know what your talking about, every time I read your post, its filled with garbage.

[Badlun]

Men dressing like women is called "cross dressing." Straight, gay and bisexual men cross dress. The most famous man to cross dress was FBI director Hoover and he was no transsexual.

Khostia changing of goal posts was his original claim of sex segregation increases sexual deviancy into children are forced vs men in the West choose. You guys are assuming that Child molesters don't exist in the West but I have already proven it is very common and there is no real proof that one society has more child molesters than another society. It has to do with social acceptance.

Remember this clip:
No gays in Iran says Ahmadinejad - YouTube[/URL]

People laugh at his comment about no homosexuals in Iran. Its the same as when you guys claim there are no Child molesters in the West. The homosexuals are hidden in Iran just like the Child molesters are hidden in the West. But in reality what Ahmedinijad is saying is that homosexuality is illegal in Iran, that it is not socially acceptable. But they do exist everywhere.

You don't know what your talking about, every time I read your post, its filled with garbage.

Dress crossing or transsexualism, whatever name you give it to this phenomena, is a different sexual orientation while child molesting or pederasty is a different type of sexual behavior or perversion.

Child molesting do exist everywhere but the difference is that in Pashtunland it is socially and culturally accepted while in the West it is a crime and people do it in a hidden way.

In Pashtunland it is mainly because of sexual segregation and that is why it is present in huge number while in the West it is an individual act of sexual perversion or behavior and cannot be seen in open gatherings and is legally a crime , culturally and socially a taboo.

[jankhan]

Well I have not seen this thing what you are talking about. It is a crime in my area lol. You can't say a word on a boy just like that lol...

[khushal]

Dress crossing or transsexualism, whatever name you give it to this phenomena, is a different sexual orientation while child molesting or pederasty is a different type of sexual behavior or perversion.

Child molesting do exist everywhere but the difference is that in Pashtunland it is socially and culturally accepted while in the West it is a crime and people do it in a hidden way.

In Pashtunland it is mainly because of sexual segregation and that is why it is present in huge number while in the West it is an individual act of sexual perversion or behavior and cannot be seen in open gatherings and is legally a crime , culturally and socially a taboo.

Your talking in jibberish. it exists in both societies. the society with sex segregation and the society with no sex segregation. You cant fault sex segregation when the crime exists in both societies. Its like saying theft exists because of sex segregation when theft exists everywhere.

Go read about the basics of Science. You cant grasp any logical way of thinking.

[khushal]

Well I have not seen this thing what you are talking about. It is a crime in my area lol. You can't say a word on a boy just like that lol...

I don't know about now, but back in the 70's, Logar, kandar, and the shomali area, the practice was widespread. It was visible and according to the Najibullah Quarishi documentary, it is widespread in the North and according to a US army report it is also widespread in Kandar.

[jankhan]

I don't know about now, but back in the 70's, Logar, kandar, and the shomali area, the practice was widespread. It was visible and according to the Najibullah Quarishi documentary, it is widespread in the North and according to a US army report it is also widespread in Kandar.

Well It is totally opposite to what Pashtun and Pashtunwali is. But with the time, with the religious and other contemporary education it is fading away I think.

[khushal]

Well It is totally opposite to what Pashtun and Pashtunwali is. But with the time, with the religious and other contemporary education it is fading away I think.

It will never fade away completely. But the question is that why is certain sexual deviant behavior acceptable in certain societies. For example in the West, homosexual and heterosexual sex orgies is very common and acceptable while its still a sexual deviant behavior. Prostitution is institutionalized in the West, and child prostitutes is wide spread.
http://www.news.com.au/world/fbi-say...-1226687995958

Both are sexual deviant behavior where there is a clear victim.

The folks here are brainwashed by the media which uses a scientific method to promote a certain narrative. The media has used this scientific method to convince the US public to illegally invade Iraq, arm the Syrian opposition and then bomb that same opposition while pushing a narrative that they are saints defeating evil.