Racial hatred againt Karachi's Pashtuns

[Bengal_Tiger]

^ Thanks, good posts, your knowledge is defiantly great on these subjects

As for Muhajirs, they really need to decide their future in Pakistan. Many have already left the country, but the ones living there really need to assimilate in to the local cultures. The ones in Karachi should at least learn Sindhi and Sindhi should be made compulsory language in Karachi.

1. I don't say everything I know as otherwise I would be accused of "dividing people" on this forum as if Pakistan were a harmonious land of peace and unity, with Bengal_Tiger, a single internet poster, from London destroying this wonderful "harmony".


2. However the situation in Karachi is really bad and I mean really bad. I will spare people the details as I don't want to be accused of "dividing people".


3. A lot of Mohajirs have a great deal of sympathy with Bengalis as being on the receiving end of Punjabi discrimination they (Mohajirs) know how it feels for us.


4. In my opinion Mohajirs would not be keen on adopting Sindhi language and culture, or not if it involved a renunciation of their own, because:

a: Urdu is seen as almost an imperial language in the south Asian Muslim community, the Mughal language and the lingua franca of the sub-continents Muslims.

b: Urdu is seen as a "Muslim"/ "Islamic" language due to the many Islamic texts written in Urdu and other Islamic activities connected to it.

c: Mohajirs seem themselves as connected to a greater and more important pan-Islamic (neo-Mughal) identity as opposed to Sindhis.

They see Sindhi as an obscure, unimportant, parochial culture and language.

However moderate Mohajirs online say they would accept being citizens of a Sindhi state, which I think means a democratic state with equal rights for all probably majority rule by Sindhis but some degree of autonomy for Mohajirs and of course the preservation of their culture.

Sindhis in general are a peaceful people and not arrogant they would never seek to extinguish Mohajir culture, they merely think Karachi is their land and do not want to lose it. If Mohajirs stay there, even as the majority, and speak Urdu that is fine as long as it stays part of Sindh.


I don't think Pakistan has worked. It will never work and something else needs to be tried.

The many Islamic scholars of India who were pious and spiritual and forewarned of the failure of the Pakistan project seem to be being proven right.

[Smarty]

saleem bukhari, another fake syed, so called elite mohajir


his grandfather was probably polishing boots of thakurs in india

[tor_khan]

Most self-aware Pashto-centric individuals are not hung up about the exact racial origins of 'Mohajirs' or their skin-type. That is irrelevant, but we have to deal with the facts as they present themselves.

The Indian Muslim elite saw themselves as the defacto inheritors of a modern post-colonial Mughalistan. 'Mohajirs' in general view Pashtuns from the north as hill-folk and have little respect for the cultural identities of the rural people who were drawn into their ambitions for Pakistan. Needless, to say our languages mean nothing in the face of their minority language - Urdu - that they have managed to impose on everyone. They would have us serve them than the other way round.

If today, the Mohajirs have fallen foul of their Pakistan dream, it is because they were out-manouvered by the Panjabis. Power-sharing was never truly part of their agenda - just take Karachi city as the example. If democracy still means anything Mohajirs still can't return a majority and so will continue to remain second in command to the Panjabis. The result? They blame the woes of Karachi on Pashtuns (remember the campaing they orchastrated to keep Pashtun IDPs out of Karachi), and since they dominate the media, they turn a convenient blind-eye away from the gang-warfare/turf-wars carried out by their mafia foot-soldiers on the streets of Karachi.

A break-away Sindudesh would imply a Sindhi dominated state, which doesn't rest comfortably with many Mohajirs who have an alternative plan - an ethnically cleansed Jinnahpur, where they would not have to share power with other ethnic groups.

If there are 'Mohajirs' who claim Pashtun origins, then it simply goes to prove that those who give up on their language effectively abandon their identity. The Pashto-speaking Sikhs and Hindus are more relevant to our future politics.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Mohajir nationalists (I don't wish to generalize and say "Mohajirs" per se as we are talking about millions of people) will never be able to realize their goal of a "Jinnahpur".

Even Altaf Hussain talks about being Sindhi and wears the Sindhi topi at times.



Altaf Hussain with the Sindhi topi.

A Mohajir nationalist attempt to create a Mohajir-run "Jinnahpur" is virtually suicidal. They would face armed resistance, in a city awash with arms, from the following groups:

- Few million Pashtuns and not just any Pashtuns but FATA Pashtuns including Waziris/Mehsuds etc.

Karachi is the largest Pashtun city on earth.

- 30 million Sindhis, who would block all land access to any Jinnahpur if it ever was created - which in itself is impossible.

- Half a million Balochis residing in Karachi, with millions of their kinsmen next door in Balochistan which is virtually adjacent to Karachi. Karachi was in origin a Baloch city.


It would be a mini-Syria but more intense.

Pakistan will not work because Pakistan is run by immoral, dishonest people who do not believe in justice, it is only held together by its army. Inevitably like all tyrannies it will end.

The question is what follows after it in Karachi?

The only viable option is for Karachi to stay as part of a Sindhi state with a relative degree of autonomy but a city for all its inhabitants including Mohajirs, Pashtuns, Bengalis, Sindhis, Balochis, Afghans etc.

[Kushan Prince]

So basically after examining this thread, most people don't like mohajirs because they are arrogant and claim to be pasthun, arab etc.?

[Karachi]

saleem bukhari, another fake syed, so called elite mohajir


his grandfather was probably polishing boots of thakurs in india

how do you know he is muhajir? he doesn't even live in Karachi, could be from anywhere

[Karachi]

Most self-aware Pashto-centric individuals are not hung up about the exact racial origins of 'Mohajirs' or their skin-type. That is irrelevant, but we have to deal with the facts as they present themselves.

The Indian Muslim elite saw themselves as the defacto inheritors of a modern post-colonial Mughalistan. 'Mohajirs' in general view Pashtuns from the north as hill-folk and have little respect for the cultural identities of the rural people who were drawn into their ambitions for Pakistan. Needless, to say our languages mean nothing in the face of their minority language - Urdu - that they have managed to impose on everyone. They would have us serve them than the other way round.

If today, the Mohajirs have fallen foul of their Pakistan dream, it is because they were out-manouvered by the Panjabis. Power-sharing was never truly part of their agenda - just take Karachi city as the example. If democracy still means anything Mohajirs still can't return a majority and so will continue to remain second in command to the Panjabis. The result? They blame the woes of Karachi on Pashtuns (remember the campaing they orchastrated to keep Pashtun IDPs out of Karachi), and since they dominate the media, they turn a convenient blind-eye away from the gang-warfare/turf-wars carried out by their mafia foot-soldiers on the streets of Karachi.

A break-away Sindudesh would imply a Sindhi dominated state, which doesn't rest comfortably with many Mohajirs who have an alternative plan - an ethnically cleansed Jinnahpur, where they would not have to share power with other ethnic groups.

If there are 'Mohajirs' who claim Pashtun origins, then it simply goes to prove that those who give up on their language effectively abandon their identity. The Pashto-speaking Sikhs and Hindus are more relevant to our future politics.

To your first highlighted part. This may be true to an extent, however that doesn't mean every Muhajir thinks like that, I think it has to do with being Urbanized and Non Urbanized, even many Lahories/Islamabad do the same. It is the mentality in our part of the world where city people think they are superior to people coming from Non Urban areas. Of course like I said before, MQM has just gone to another level and included (violence) in doing this. There are muhajirs like Abdul Sattar Edhi, who have spoken very well of pashtuns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ff9apmbLk

To the second part, this dream of Indian muslim elites was long over, when most of the power was shifted to the north which Bengali tiger pointed too. Muhajirs in general never had the army with them anyways, the army has always been based in the Punjab region. Muhajirs at the beginning only had the economic power and education with them. Also not to mention that only around 10-15% muhajirs were probably elite, the rest were not. From what I think, MQM is mostly made of people who are non elite.

[Karachi]

So basically after examining this thread, most people don't like mohajirs because they are arrogant and claim to be pasthun, arab etc.?

Um no, that is not the main reason. I really think the main reason is MQM (the poltical party) Once it goes away, then things should start returning to normal

[Kushan Prince]

Um no, that is not the main reason. I really think the main reason is MQM (the poltical party) Once it goes away, then things should start returning to normal

and these niggas think karachi belongs to them.

[Baraki]

I wouldn't call Urdu Speaking Pashtun/Pathan people who came from India to Pakistan in 1947 "muhajirs", in fact, I don't think they would call themselves that either (unless the didn't maintain any of their pashtun identity. Technically my dad's side of the family can be called Muhajirs by some people (even though they are ormuri/pashto speaking with fluency in Punjabi) they lived in India pre-partition and went to Punjab in '47. They don't use that term in Punjab unless they are referring to Urdu speakers in Sindh I believe.

[afghan]

^The first guy has stuffed his face with burgers in London and now can only be shown on TV in widescreen format.

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[afghan]

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[Smarty]

how do you know he is muhajir? he doesn't even live in Karachi, could be from anywhere

He is from karachi and is urduspeaker/mohajir, he is a journalist. You live in canada and it is very obvious that you dont know much about your own community and karachi, few visits wont be helpful.

[Smarty]

Um no, that is not the main reason. I really think the main reason is MQM (the poltical party) Once it goes away, then things should start returning to normal

Nope, the problem is with whole mohajir community. MQM came into being in 85 while history of mohajir violence dates back to 60s and 70s or even 1947 when they attacked sindhi hindus, forcing them to migrate. Most of these vile creatures are from U.P and bihar, and there they were/are involved in hindu-muslim riots. Biharis killed and raped bengalis for paki army.
MQM has tried to have monopoly over violence, but every mohajir mofo is not in their control. And violence is not a bigger issue, one can deal with it, its their general attitude and views about pakhtuns are extremely negative, these shudras promotes hatred and reverse racism against us from beaurocracy to media, they are very efficient and dutiful in that from top to bottom. Lets be honest , these vile creatures are worst than punjabis but as they are minority so their filth is limited to sindh.

[gadoonwal]

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Did,nt Gulbudin and masoud talk to eachothers?
Did,nt pashtun leader join dostum for election?
Both dostum and masoud killed pashtuns then why pashtuns talk to them?
why karzai appointed criminal khalili as his deputy?
Did,nt khalili supporters raped pashtanay?
Did,nt dostum supporters raped pashtanay?
why pashtuns talk to them?

I hate ANP and its politics but politcains meet eachothers and talk this dose,nt mean they love eachothers.
Saif is another example how he left his pashtuns for tajiks.


This is dirty politics but in any war or conflict politicains continue their discussion to settled their issues.

Altaap has the strong support of establishment and British.
Pashtuns with no support faced them and fight them.
Witout the support of paki establishment MQM is nothing and these indains can,nt fight pashtuns.