Racial hatred againt Karachi's Pashtuns

[Smarty]

This is true, MQM is supported by paki military establishment, paki pathans should keep that in mind.
And [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION] assertion that mohajirs have no presence in army, is wrong. Three army chiefs were mohajirs, and much more lieutenant generals and officers of other high ranks than pashtuns who seldom make it to the rank of general. According to ISPR official release, pakhtuns are 13.3% of army while sindhis(mohajirs are counted as sindhis) are 15%. Ethnic sindhis dont join army but urduspeakers. These are army statistics. In the navy,mostly are mohajirs. In the air force, mostly are punjabis followed by mohajirs, pashtuns are in very small number.

[gadoonwal]

So basically after examining this thread, most people don't like mohajirs because they are arrogant and claim to be pasthun, arab etc.?

none of them claim to be pashtuns.
Few of them may have some ancesters came from afghanistan or pashtunkhwa but they are loyal indain mahajars.
They are indians.
99% of the mahajars are indians with hindu ancesters.
Some of them have conection with iranians,bukharis,mugals,uzbiks,pashtuns but the vast majority of them are indains.
The MQM hate pashtuns no matter afghan,pashtun or even tajiks.
Ayub khan once plan to throw mahajrs to sea.
Altaap husain in his early age was raped by a pashtun name Dawood khan.
DAWOOD KHAN was pashtun don of karachi and it is not joke but true story.
Dawood khan was from Banu area.
Pashtun is the only group not accepting mahajr rule on karachi.
The punjabis,sindis and even baluchis accepted their rule.

Pashtuns control many areas in karachi like suhrab,landi,sher shah etc.

The pakistani military funding and supporting indains.

[gadoonwal]

Zai ul haque founded MQM .
After that the military follow his foot steps to support indians.

[Baraki]

Do you like ayub khan?

none of them claim to be pashtuns.
Few of them may have some ancesters came from afghanistan or pashtunkhwa but they are loyal indain mahajars.
They are indians.
99% of the mahajars are indians with hindu ancesters.
Some of them have conection with iranians,bukharis,mugals,uzbiks,pashtuns but the vast majority of them are indains.
The MQM hate pashtuns no matter afghan,pashtun or even tajiks.
Ayub khan once plan to throw mahajrs to sea.
Altaap husain in his early age was raped by a pashtun name Dawood khan.
DAWOOD KHAN was pashtun don of karachi and it is not joke but true story.
Dawood khan was from Banu area.
Pashtun is the only group not accepting mahajr rule on karachi.
The punjabis,sindis and even baluchis accepted their rule.

Pashtuns control many areas in karachi like suhrab,landi,sher shah etc.

The pakistani military funding and supporting indains.

[Karachi]

This is true, MQM is supported by paki military establishment, paki pathans should keep that in mind.
And @Karachi assertion that mohajirs have no presence in army, is wrong. Three army chiefs were mohajirs, and much more lieutenant generals and officers of other high ranks than pashtuns who seldom make it to the rank of general. According to ISPR official release, pakhtuns are 13.3% of army while sindhis(mohajirs are counted as sindhis) are 15%. Ethnic sindhis dont join army but urduspeakers. These are army statistics. In the navy,mostly are mohajirs. In the air force, mostly are punjabis followed by mohajirs, pashtuns are in very small number.

if MQM is connected to the army, then why did the army kill 20000 MQM people in 1992? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Clean-up

also why does then Altaf hussain make anti pakistan speeches in India?

the only muhajir I know in the army was Musharraf, and he too was raised in Lahore I think, he never lived in Karachi. He became famous for being a Muhajir in the army. There maybe others, but no way they will make 15% of the army, considering muhajir population is only 7% in Pakistan

There are many sindhis in the army as soldiers, the sindh army recruitment center is based in Hyderabad, not Karachi, where lots of Sindhis live: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sind_Regiment

There are even Baloch in the army

[Karachi]

He is from karachi and is urduspeaker/mohajir, he is a journalist. You live in canada and it is very obvious that you dont know much about your own community and karachi, few visits wont be helpful.

his program is based from Islamabad, I am not denying he could be, but please give proof if he is

[Karachi]

Nope, the problem is with whole mohajir community. MQM came into being in 85 while history of mohajir violence dates back to 60s and 70s or even 1947 when they attacked sindhi hindus, forcing them to migrate. Most of these vile creatures are from U.P and bihar, and there they were/are involved in hindu-muslim riots. Biharis killed and raped bengalis for paki army.
MQM has tried to have monopoly over violence, but every mohajir mofo is not in their control. And violence is not a bigger issue, one can deal with it, its their general attitude and views about pakhtuns are extremely negative, these shudras promotes hatred and reverse racism against us from beaurocracy to media, they are very efficient and dutiful in that from top to bottom. Lets be honest , these vile creatures are worst than punjabis but as they are minority so their filth is limited to sindh.

MQM is the one which promotes hatred, you can not blame the whole community, many people of which are not even part of MQM. I may not live in Karachi, but have been there millions of times. Obviously you have never been there. Shebaz lives there, so ask him. Not every muhajir is evil or MQM

[Toramana]

I think what is going on in Karachi is political turf-war with some other interests also involved. After Bhutto's nationalization policy(can be called Punjabi-Sindhi alliance versus Muhajirs), the Muhajir bourgeois saw a decline in their power/influence whereas Punjabis not needing Muhajirs against Bangalis any more proceeded to dislodge Muhajirs completely in industry and finance especially under Zia (who was a Punjabi). The rise of MQM was a reaction to this.

The problem with Muhajirs is, they don't know the benefit of co-option. Instead of considering Pashtuns a demographic asset and forging a close alliance with them at least at political level, if there is too much contradiction of culture, between the two communities, they are considering Pashtuns a threat.

[Toramana]

And it makes me laugh when Muhajirs or Punjabis point to Pashtun backwardness. The reality is despite all the instability in Pashtun areas throughout history and especially during the British times and despite the fact that Pashtuns fought politically as well as militarily against British, Pashtuns are second to none in Pakistan at least in education. Pashtuns have the highest rural male literacy rate in Pakistan although they have to focus on female literacy (which they increasingly are on now).

On the contrary, have Muhajirs or Punjabis achieved much superiority over Pashtuns despite the fact they lived in servitude to Mughlas, British etc. throughout history and enjoyed peace and stability and the opportunity to better themselves more easily relative to Pashtuns(2 million Punjabis fought for British as mercenaries in WWII not a single Punjabi except the valiant Sikhs ever opposing British colonialism). The fact is they are not much ahead and Pashtuns are fast catching up.

Pashtun is a resilient hardy race shaped so by a combination of geography, history, strategic location, etc. and in a matter of one-two decades they will catch up with Muhajirs and Punjabis.

[afghan]

Did,nt Gulbudin and masoud talk to eachothers?
Did,nt pashtun leader join dostum for election?
Both dostum and masoud killed pashtuns then why pashtuns talk to them?
why karzai appointed criminal khalili as his deputy?
Did,nt khalili supporters raped pashtanay?
Did,nt dostum supporters raped pashtanay?
why pashtuns talk to them?

I hate ANP and its politics but politcains meet eachothers and talk this dose,nt mean they love eachothers.
Saif is another example how he left his pashtuns for tajiks.


This is dirty politics but in any war or conflict politicains continue their discussion to settled their issues.

Altaap has the strong support of establishment and British.
Pashtuns with no support faced them and fight them.
Witout the support of paki establishment MQM is nothing and these indains can,nt fight pashtuns.

Lol wether to laugh at you or wether to cry for you.
Gulbadin and masood weren't pashtun nationalist, bu rather traitors who were trained by pakies for one purpose, the destruction of afghanistan.
dostum joined pashtun leader support him not that ghani joined dostum to kill more pashtuns.
Did karzai ever voiced pashtun nationalism? karzai is an opportunist, hesint even a politician.
Now come to your beloved ANP.
Did MQM ever stopped pashtun Genocide?
have you ever seen Altaf hussian visiting Asfandyar, ajmal khattak or wali khan?And having lunch or dinner with pashtun leader?
From Wali khan to asfandyar and may other anp leaders visiting alatf hussain multiple times. probably they were selling pashtun to MQM.
politicians meet and discuss public matters and having dinners together and then give their daughters to them, to encourage the pakies to kill more pashtuns and make more pakies. lol

[gadoonwal]

Lol wether to laugh at you or wether to cry for you.
Gulbadin and masood weren't pashtun nationalist, bu rather traitors who were trained by pakies for one purpose, the destruction of afghanistan.
dostum joined pashtun leader support him not that ghani joined dostum to kill more pashtuns.
Did karzai ever voiced pashtun nationalism? karzai is an opportunist, hesint even a politician.
Now come to your beloved ANP.
Did MQM ever stopped pashtun Genocide?
have you ever seen Altaf hussian visiting Asfandyar, ajmal khattak or wali khan?And having lunch or dinner with pashtun leader?
From Wali khan to asfandyar and may other anp leaders visiting alatf hussain multiple times. probably they were selling pashtun to MQM.
politicians meet and discuss public matters and having dinners together and then give their daughters to them, to encourage the pakies to kill more pashtuns and make more pakies. lol

I advise fish-oil tablets for you so your brain can fuction normally.
I never defended dirty poltics of anp and their compromise culture.
If Gulbudin was traitors so as ANP.
Yes,gulbudin enjoyed great support among the pashtuns of afghanistan even he was paki pupet.
Same as mula omar a paki sponsored and still have support among pashtuns.
Ashraf ghani is pashtun nationalist and he formed an allience with uzbik criminal.
Dostum raped pashtanay and forced pashtuns out from north.
Karzai,Gulo,omar,ashraf ghani etc are pashtun leaders.
If you think they are not then why pashtuns supported them?
Do you accept Anwarul haque ahadi as a pashtun nationalist?
now watch how he praised criminal masoud.
Afghan finance minister Anwar ul-Haq Ahady honors Afghanistan's hero Ahmad Shah Massoud - YouTube

Now you will call ahadi moron.
man get a life and stop munafeqat and accept that tajiks and uzbiks commeted crimes against pashtuns and many sell out pashtuns still admire the criminals.
i have the same feeling for paki supporters pashtuns too.

[gadoonwal]

afghan,
do you accpet this video as an example of N/A crimes against pashtuns?
This is real and from afghanistan not pakistan.
Kunduz-Afghanistan; Genocide Against Pashtuns by NA Tajik Mafia Backed by CIA, Iran... - YouTube

[gadoonwal]

we expose paki crimes against pashtuns in every thread but i wonder why pashtunforum members turning blind eyes on the crimes of N/A against pashtuns.
If tajik discriminate pashtuns and have no respect for pashtu they still do,nt mind.
Even if they abuse pashtuns the fake pashtuns of pf do,nt even condem them.
My point is that pashtuns of afghanistan are geratmand as much as us but most of these pf contributers from afghanistan side here are parsiwans and northren allaince supporters.
They are making fool of pashtuns and showing one side of picture.

[gadoonwal]

I know many paktyawal ,kandaryan and kunaryan they do,nt behave like these fake pashtuns here.
They never defended the criminals and their pupets.
pashtun should be aware and should not fight eachothers.

[afghan]

I advise fish-oil tablets for you so your brain can fuction normally.
I never defended dirty poltics of anp and their compromise culture.
If Gulbudin was traitors so as ANP.
Yes,gulbudin enjoyed great support among the pashtuns of afghanistan even he was paki pupet.
Same as mula omar a paki sponsored and still have support among pashtuns.
Ashraf ghani is pashtun nationalist and he formed an allience with uzbik criminal.
Dostum raped pashtanay and forced pashtuns out from north.
Karzai,Gulo,omar,ashraf ghani etc are pashtun leaders.
If you think they are not then why pashtuns supported them?
Do you accept Anwarul haque ahadi as a pashtun nationalist?
now watch how he praised criminal masoud.
Afghan finance minister Anwar ul-Haq Ahady honors Afghanistan's hero Ahmad Shah Massoud - YouTube[/URL]

Now you will call ahadi moron.
man get a life and stop munafeqat and accept that tajiks and uzbiks commeted crimes against pashtuns and many sell out pashtuns still admire the criminals.
i have the same feeling for paki supporters pashtuns too.

you do seem desperate. Ahadi isn't a nationalist. he is just as desperate as any power hungry dog, just like hekmatyar and masood.

in 1995 Anwar-ul-Haq Ahady took over the Wakman branch. Under his leadership, the party toned down its Pashtun nationalist profile and sought support amongst non-Pashtuns. The Wakman branch of the party is recognized by the Afghan government as the "Afghan Mellat Party"
was Gulbadin ever elected by pashtun? Your great ANp ruled over pashtuns.
there were many pashtun who ruled pakies, Ayub khan, GHulam isaq sikandar hayat( if he was a pashtun?)no body cares what they did they weren't pashtun nationalist just like hekmatyar masood karzai sayaff( fazlurahman). neither they offers their daughters to their enemies.