Afghan women are the biggest victims in Afghanistan

[Alchemist]

i see.... mother worship. you feel inadequate in comparison, hence resentment towards women.
that explains it ;-)

so if someone is worshipping their god, then it means they feel resentment towards their god?

You know what...

i am sorry..

i forgot that you were a handicap.

carry on fool.

[faye]

mother =god ?

[Khostai]

The modern education system is over rated.

If you sincerely believe that the difference between the muslim world and the western world is due to a difference in "education" then you don't really know much about how the world really works. You probably don't even live in the real world but in some fantasy world. America isn't the world super power because it has the best education system in the world...which as a matter of fact they don't!
I have already written several posts in regards to the drawbacks of the modern education system. How it is based on a managerial system concocted during the Industrial Revolution to produce the middle class. Look at America as a prime example, the average american doesn't even know where on a map is Canada yet they are the world's most "powerful" nation. Then fast forward to Japan and look at the state of women there. A larger percentage of Japanese women are single and well over the age of 30 with no desire to be in any form of relationship. Modern day spinsters. So do you have the states to compare where the women fair better? You think once a woman leaves an abusive relationship all her woes would end? Even western women that are divorced face hardships, despite their education.

Domestic violence is a cultural problem. Even educated and rich men abuse and torture their wives. In happens everywhere.

You don't need an education to be a good person.

There are qualities that a person must have, that are not nourished by schooling systems. Common sense, morality, ethics, reason, imagination, intuition, just to name a few. A woman has attributes about her that are different than a man. Yet the school doesn't cater for the specific differences that are present between the brains of men and women . Men and women have different roles and functions in society. Let's suppose that pashtun women are educated. So what? They will have a job, and they will be economically independent. They will then become producers and consumers of goods and services. They will be able to leave abusive spouses or parents and fend for themselves. Is that so? Hardly. Even if they have the degrees and the diplomas, if there are no companies to hire them, if there is no infrastructure and security or a strong government they still won't have their "rights".

You are a fool to put the cart before the horse. Fix the men. And the women will turn out just fine.

But you can't have strong infrastructure or strong goverment if you don't have a educated mass of peopel, where are you going to get the ingeneers and doctors and workers to build you a nation???
And if a women is educated she can teach her sons not to treat his wife like a slave but as a human being and let her daughters get an education so that her daughter can get a better future and also stand up against the husband if he is traing to give her away to some old man. That kind of effect have education, everybody knows that by just simply educating someone will not make everything magicaly better but it is a turn in the right direction.
Yes even the educated can abuse there wife but and educated women can make it stop before the husband can kill he, and yes even in the west sometimes it ends in murder but the majority can escape an abusive relationship becuase the women is independent and can teke care of her self if she is alone, but in places like Afghanistan she will suffer the rest of her live.
And lets leave Europe and US aside look at Japan, South Korea, TAiwan and Sigapore, why are this nation so ahead of the muslim world????

[Alchemist]

But you can't have strong infrastructure or strong goverment if you don't have a educated mass of peopel, where are you going to get the ingeneers and doctors and workers to build you a nation???
And if a women is educated she can teach her sons not to treat his wife like a slave but as a human being and let her daughters get an education so that her daughter can get a better future and also stand up against the husband if he is traing to give her away to some old man. That kind of effect have education, everybody knows that by just simply educating someone will not make everything magicaly better but it is a turn in the right direction.
Yes even the educated can abuse there wife but and educated women can make it stop before the husband can kill he, and yes even in the west sometimes it ends in murder but the majority can escape an abusive relationship becuase the women is independent and can teke care of her self if she is alone, but in places like Afghanistan she will suffer the rest of her live.
And lets leave Europe and US aside look at Japan, South Korea, TAiwan and Sigapore, why are this nation so ahead of the muslim world????

Look back in history and you will find that those nations that turned into empires did so through might. But let's focus on the economical aspect of the rise some of these nations.

The American industry was build on the backs of slaves. All the countries you mentioned became "advanced" by using cheap labour.

So let us consider Japan for instance. During the Meji Restoration the Japanese had learned from the westerners that in order for them to become prosperous they would need to build factories, not schools. The Japanese build textile milling factories and used mainly women as a source of cheap labour. So if you want to follow Japan's footsteps, do what they did. They called in the women from the rural areas to migrate to the cities, live in dormitories and work 12 hour shifts with 1 hour break, continuing for 24hrs a day. They exploited their women. Without a doubt the Textile industry was the major reason for the rise of Japan. It was the second largest producer of cotton, Britain largest supplier and also a leader in silk production.

The case for Korea is even worse off then the rest. They make 1/10th of what an american or japanese labourer earns in the manufacturing industry. And similarly women are still the cheapest source of labour as they make half the earnings of a man. And you can't argue that manufacturing companies like Hyundai, Daewoo, Samsung etc are not the reason why Korea is where it is today. Did you know that the founder of Hyundai was a simple mechanic who was even that skilled at his trade to begin with? He wasn't an "ingeneer". In fact the so called Four Tigers of Asia (Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong and S.Korea) are all dependent on cheap labour, and got to where they did because of policies that focused on input growth - the Taiwanese "miracle" which has been mainly due to the "ten major construction projects" (building of ports, highways etc) for the mobilization of resources.

I mean let's face it ...Soviet growth was impressive at it's time too. Where are they now?

The paper tigers are rather driven by perspiration and not inspiration. They have extraordinary growth input (labour force, education level) but not in efficiency. Singapore that use to have half its labour force educated now has two thirds completed secondary education, but that doesn't mean that in future they will have two thirds with Ph.Ds. This is the same type of growth that the USSR had...by the mobilization of the resources. Forcing farmers from the fields into the cities. 80% of the long term gains in per capita income in the US can be attributed to technological progress. If were to go by projections of Japanese growth from 30 years ago, Japan should have already been the number economic power in the world. So why isn't it?


And lastly, consider the "Brain drain" effect.
Why is 36% of Scientists at NASA from India?
Why is one out of every 20 doctors in the US is from India?

How do you think rich "muslim" countries like saudia arabia, UAE, kuwait manage to get by when they have crappy education systems? You can say it is because of the oil...but oil production requires "ingeneers".
It's not like they have female petroleum "ingeneers" working the fields. So it's like it has to be a pashtana ingeneer mining lithium in Afghanistan.

Like I said, even in the most "advanced" countries women are "suffering", marginalized...in the US a female worker makes 77% of what a man does for the same work. Big deal.

[Breshna]

But you can't have strong infrastructure or strong goverment if you don't have a educated mass of peopel, where are you going to get the ingeneers and doctors and workers to build you a nation???
And if a women is educated she can teach her sons not to treat his wife like a slave but as a human being and let her daughters get an education so that her daughter can get a better future and also stand up against the husband if he is traing to give her away to some old man. That kind of effect have education, everybody knows that by just simply educating someone will not make everything magicaly better but it is a turn in the right direction.
Yes even the educated can abuse there wife but and educated women can make it stop before the husband can kill he, and yes even in the west sometimes it ends in murder but the majority can escape an abusive relationship becuase the women is independent and can teke care of her self if she is alone, but in places like Afghanistan she will suffer the rest of her live.
And lets leave Europe and US aside look at Japan, South Korea, TAiwan and Sigapore, why are this nation so ahead of the muslim world????

I have seen...illiterate women

raise Professors, Accountants, Engineers,

Doctors... Barristers.....ect.


I have...seen

educated women...destroy their...sons...

and become...losers, by

over pampering...them.

So its a mixer ...some illiterate

women...are ignorant,

some educated...women are...ignorant.

So in my opinion...its not Eduction...

that makes anyone... a better person.

Its how...the inner self...is.

I believe in...education.

I think education is...important

to...be self sufficient.


A woman will not...stop her son...from treating

his wife like...a punch bag, or a slave...because of

education.

Its fear of Allah s.w.t ,

empathy...good inner self...

that can stop...that.

My opinion is people...lack fear of Allah s.w.t.

If you fear Allah s.w.t you...will naturally...stop

all the...crimes.

If men fear Allah s.w.t and the...last day.

He will...not commit the crimes

he...does against...women.

Its all about...humanity, empathy.

Western women are Educated..why can't

they stop...the domestic...violence ?

Why do they put up...with it ?

Why are western...men so cruel,

their...educated ?

The U.S.A Soldiers...that,

rape and beat our...Afghan women,

then kill...them.

They are Educated.

Why do they do...such crimes?

[Khostai]

How can than when in Afghanistan something bad happens like there was on the news that a man abused his wfie and loked her up in the basement and beat her almost to death, you all yell ow they are not educated they don't have any scence what trulley islam is, if they had they wouldn't do such things but now when I and others are saing that by education we can progress and by education I don't mean just knowing what is 2+2 and ABC.. but really everything Islamic education included you suddenly say NO, Education have no effect, peopel are peopel so they gona be poor and stupid and evil even if they have an ingennering degree -_- Yeah right... Just read what you wright, what is wrong whith you peopel? Yes some gona be evil and stupid and useles even if they go to school and have acces to information on everything, I live in the West too I see what kind of peopel are living here. But still the majority have a good live becuase they are educated and know what to do whith there live and what there goals are. You peopel are generalizing and underestemating the power of education.

We can leave everything just as it is, lets not progress lets live in the mudhouses whith no electricity no runing water, whith no medical help, Lets just live like we are in the dark ages, who cares if someone can get education right, what does it matter, we are still gona be the same.

[Khostai]

I have seen...illiterate women

raise Professors, Accountants, Engineers,

Doctors... Barristers.....ect.


I have...seen

educated women...destroy their...sons...

and become...losers, by

over pampering...them.

So its a mixer ...some illiterate

women...are ignorant,

some educated...women are...ignorant.

So in my opinion...its not Eduction...

that makes anyone... a better person.

Its how...the inner self...is.

I believe in...education.

I think education is...important

to...be self sufficient.


A woman will not...stop her son...from treating

his wife like...a punch bag, or a slave...because of

education.

Its fear of Allah s.w.t ,

empathy...good inner self...

that can stop...that.

My opinion is people...lack fear of Allah s.w.t.

If you fear Allah s.w.t you...will naturally...stop

all the...crimes.

If men fear Allah s.w.t and the...last day.

He will...not commit the crimes

he...does against...women.

Its all about...humanity, empathy.

Western women are Educated..why can't

they stop...the domestic...violence ?

Why do they put up...with it ?

Why are western...men so cruel,

their...educated ?

The U.S.A Soldiers...that,

rape and beat our...Afghan women,

then kill...them.

They are Educated.

Why do they do...such crimes?

First of all everytime when I read your commets I always think about the black kid that sat in the wheel chair from the show Malcom in the middel please type like a normal man.

And second by fear you will achive nothing, fear is a simple emotion that can be overwon easaly, just by not beliving in God, if you don't belive in Allah why would you fear? The solution for the crimes are not fear but mutual love, loving your neighbour like a borther or sister to care for eachother becuase we are all human beings, and not becuase later when I die I might burn in hell, becuase not everybody believe in that. If you say to some one don't do that Allah gona punish you, and he will say no Allah don't excist... There your whole fear theorie is collapsed. Human should care for each other not becuase of fear but becuase we are humans and need eachother. And that can be achived by educating men that women are not your personal slaves but your eqaul, and women not to take every **** that men are demanding from you.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

First of all everytime when I read your commets I always think about the black kid that sat in the wheel chair from the show Malcom in the middel please type like a normal man.

haaaaaaaaa

[Alchemist]

First of all everytime when I read your commets I always think about the black kid that sat in the wheel chair from the show Malcom in the middel:no: please type like a normal man.

And second by fear you will achive nothing, fear is a simple emotion that can be overwon easaly, just by not beliving in God, if you don't belive in Allah why would you fear? The solution for the crimes are not fear but mutual love, loving your neighbour like a borther or sister to care for eachother becuase we are all human beings, and not becuase later when I die I might burn in hell, becuase not everybody believe in that. If you say to some one don't do that Allah gona punish you, and he will say no Allah don't excist... There your whole fear theorie is collapsed. Human should care for each other not becuase of fear but becuase we are humans and need eachother. And that can be achived by educating men that women are not your personal slaves but your eqaul, and women not to take every **** that men are demanding from you.

That kid on the wheel chair was a genius by the way.

You on the other hand need some education your self. Becuase [sic]I can literally read your fobby accent.

Here is the correct spellings broda:

Middle - not middel
comment - not commet
Because - not becuase
Theories
Each other ( two words, not one.)
Achieved - not achive
Easily - not easely
Believe - not belive
gonna - (even though it is slang)

Engineer - not ingeneer
People - not peopel
running - not runing
useless - not useles
write - not wright
underestimate - not underestemate



Write each word ten times in your notebook or until you have memorized them.

[Breshna]

People who mock others...are usually angry,

lack self esteem...or have other

serious psychological... issues.

Khostai if education...has taught you

to mock...others.

I feel sorry for...your future...wife.

I feel sorry for that black...man

in the wheel chair...who sits

next...to you.


In just one post...you

made me a different gender...changed

my ethnicitie...made me disabled.

People like you...full of ignorance

is the reason...we are in a...mess.

You are..the classic...example

of a man...who treats women bad.

Well done.

Thanks for exposing...yourself.

Don't be too proud...Allah s.w,t can

put you in a...wheel chair...or even worse.


Ignorance breeds...ignorance.

[faye]

so wawrina, has education taught you to not encourage education of other women?
has it stopped you from being capable of exploring and analysing the history of oppression of women?
if not, then i would suggest you do some research on this subject.
i don't read anything you write past 2 lines, as you have so little respect for others, by producing comments in such a ridiculous format.

[Breshna]

so wawrina, has education taught you to not encourage education of other women?
has it stopped you from being capable of exploring and analysing the history of oppression of women?
if not, then i would suggest you do some research on this subject.
i don't read anything you write past 2 lines, as you have so little respect for others, by producing comments in such a ridiculous format.

Assumptions...assumptions...

[Al Hanif]

Attacking her like a group of white chickens attack a black chicken...

...Just because she is different.

[haviZsultan]

Faye is right. :agree:

Wowrina you being a woman are taking part in killing the rights of women. The reason women are oppressed is because they are weak and helpless and don't stand for their rights.

You are part of the entire system that allows a man or husband to chop of a woman's fingers, rape her, maim her, throw acid on her face etc.

If women have to advance in Afghanistan or Pakistan they have to accept their lives aren't just submission to their husbands or lovers. They have to step forward and take their rights... eventually.

[tor_khan]

Faye is right. :agree:

Wowrina you being a woman are taking part in killing the rights of women. The reason women are oppressed is because they are weak and helpless and don't stand for their rights.

You are part of the entire system that allows a man or husband to chop of a woman's fingers, rape her, maim her, throw acid on her face etc.

If women have to advance in Afghanistan or Pakistan they have to accept their lives aren't just submission to their husbands or lovers. They have to step forward and take their rights... eventually.

Are you certain that you are not falling back into broad generalisations with the statements that you make?

How far do you extend your logic HaviZSultan? Perhaps there is a case for saying that some people contribute to the systems that oppress others in their own demographic, but then other forms of discrimination and exploitation exist too. For one, women do not ask to be acid attacked, no matter how provocative or meek they behave and children do not ask to be exploited either, even if some have come to expect it.

AlChemist made a point about needing to start with men - and I think, some aspects of this is logical. Some men are just as voiceless and economically exploited as women - Wawrina simply affirmed this point.

The whole notion of 'rights' is collective and doesn't specifically rest with women, children or black people, but more holistically, wider deficits in understanding the issues and education need addressing.