Marriage to non-Pashtuns

[Pakhtunzai]

^Ouch!

[tor_khan]

I would encourage Pashtun men to have more than 1 wife, its good for us because then our population will increase more, and more males to fight against our enemies.

Just kidding. Women shouldnt be used in such a way

For a minute, I was in agreement ...

[parsiwaan]

Hi Parsiwaan, welcome to our community. Enjoy your stay.

If you do not mind, I just have a quick question. All I wanted to ask was are you trying to say that an "Afghan" is ONLY someone who is a citizen of Afghanistan?

What do you think of the term "ethnic Afghan"?

The term afghan has a connotation far wider than that of a subject of Afghanistan....Afghan means the people of greater Afghanistan...or actual Afghanistan---from Abaseen to Amu(Jahoon)...indeed the term afghan has no ethnic linkages.

[parsiwaan]

Parsiwan, Afghan = Pashtun.

They keyword you are looking for is Afghanistani which means citizen of Afghanistan.

Excuse me but you have no idea wt your talking about... the term afghanistani is not even a word... and is grammatically incorrect in both Dari and Pashton....indeed this term was first used by Changiz Palawan an Irani who divided people of Afghan into Pashton--Afghan and non-pashtons--Afghanistan...the idea behind was to weaken afghan national unity and future the akhon agenda...this is way almost all those that use the word "Afghanistani" are those that are either Shia or Hazara..ex..Pedram a Ismahi SHia from Badakhshan former member of PDPA....there are few farmer PDPA members that are using the ethnic card(just like comrade Najib established Kandaqha e Qawmee.) so their crimes can be forgiven.Interestingly some former Khalqi now term "Nationalist Pashtons" are also using this term to divide Afghan. Indeed for your information Afghan is a legal term...in Afghanistan constitution its stated that anyone whose parents are born in Afghanistan is an Afghan.

[parsiwaan]

so u say u r afghan because u belong to afghanistan... ? right?

but afghanistan consists of different people.. pashtoon, hazara, uzbek, tajik, nuristani, pashayee, sikhs (from india)... which one r u ?

u have to have some roots ... what is ur root?

Afghanistan is consist of diff ethnic not diff people...by culture I’m Parsiwaan by blood Pashton but i don't give a rat about either one... i only identify by being an Afghan...the rest is pointless for me.

[parsiwaan]

True but dont judge pashtuns on the basis of those who live in West.

True...but see how they are judging the non-pashtons based on action of those that lives in west.

[Khan]

Some brothers and sisters in here are really lost. May Allah (swt) guide you on the right path.

[Iqra]

^ @ parsiwaan ...I do agree we should stop throwing people in piles as if they are cows...with black and white skinnn ..khalas.

[Iqra]

Some brothers and sisters in here are really lost. May Allah (swt) guide you on the right path.

Ameen ya rabil Alaameeen!!

[parsiwaan]

You want to say that Pashtuns of Afghanistan look down upon Pakistani Pashtuns because of what Pakistan did to Afghanistan? the hate is so intense that they even do not consider People of Pakhtunkhwa of a status to marry them?
My brother are you not generalizing? how can i believe you as you do not represent Pashtuns?

Luffy,
I never made the mistake to claim or try to represent anyone... I only represent me, myself and I(3 of us lol).

[parsiwaan]

Parsiwaan, you are welcomed here.

if your dad is Pashtun you mist be out your mind to say you are not Pashtun.

ahahah does it matter? why should i be proud of being a pashton? something that i had no saying in it.

[parsiwaan]

boi watch your mouth....dnt forget it was the shinwaris that had a problem with queen surays clothing style....let alone them selling there mom. srsli be careful wat u say from now on. and too me u will never be pukhtoon. ur a lost half caste with tajik tendencies because u have alot of negative things to say about Afghans (pukhtoons) but nothing about the afghanistanis. and theres alot of differences between afghans n afghanistanis. the culture the language and the mindset.

If your Shinwari then sorry... i do not mean to offend you... I’m just generalizing as these people do.. playing devil advocate.

[parsiwaan]

parsiwan brother should be left alone, he is missguided like some of our bothers in pashtunkhwah who considered themselves pakistani, he doesnot consider himself a pashtun , but an afghan. if he knows what afghan stand for?

I was just wondering if you were a communist or if your family were? for the technique of trying to portray someone you disagree with as "not knowing" "lost" under influences of "Ashraar" or insignificant is typical commie tricks.

[Mayana]

Afghanistan is consist of diff ethnic not diff people...by culture I’m Parsiwaan by blood Pashton but i don't give a rat about either one... i only identify by being an Afghan...the rest is pointless for me.

Parsiwaan derives from Farsizubaan, a person who speaks Farsi. So that only refers to your linguistic identity, meaning that you communicate in Farsi and that Farsi is your first language/language you speak at home. But what defines your cultural identity? As you rightfully said, Afghanistan consists of different ethnic groups and each one of these groups have their own set of traditions, their own mentality, their own language - this is the beauty of Afghanistan.

We cannot and must not prostitute this beautiful diversity in the name of false "unity". Unity is not having no cultural and ethnic diversity. Unity is being aware of your cultural, ethnic, national and linguistic identity and at the same time, respecting and embracing others' identities. THAT is true unity, not "I'm Afghan, khalaas, I don't have any further identity."
No, we were blessed with such a diverse background -
I am Pashtun,
I am Tajek,
I am Ghilzai,
I am Duraani,
I am Pashozubaan,
I am Darizubaan,
I am Afghan,
I am Muslim,
I am Sunni,
I am Hanafi

- I am allllll that and ALHAMDULILLAH for that.

Embrace all of what you are, even the controversial parts, even the parts other might not accept. IF we don't accept ourselves.. who will? =)

And welcome on PF, nice having you here =)

[parsiwaan]

And am I wrong if I say those Pukhtoons have spent time in Kabul? Only Pukhtoons in West who 'lost their ways' are those Pukhtoons who either got Tajik mothers, or either are raised in Kabul and therefore speak Dari as their first language. Just like how you don't consider yourself Pukhtoon, same wise they didn't consider themselves Pukhtoons either. I have been to USA and every Pukhtoon because of whom I got embarrassed didn't speak one word of Pukhto and nor called himself a Pukhtoon, thank God. So if speaking a language decides your ethnic then those whom you are talking ain't Pukhtoons either, fair enough?

How about those that never been to kabul in their live...end up coming to west and go out with Hindus, Arabs, Pakistanis, Black, Maxican? I suggest you visit flushing or queen NY...and see it for yourself wt some of Kandhari girls are doing there...or you can also check on how the Pashtons girl form Swat end up in Punjabi brothels after their own father sell them...check the girl I given her name…she is Pashto speaker Pashton and is married to a big lips Black guy. The problem with people like you are that you just look at others people but never look at youself… there are good and bad in very ethnic…its like this argument I had with this Peshawar guy..he was talking about afghan sex workers in Peshawar… and I reminded him that Peshawar had the oldest brothel in region…not to forget the filth of Shama cinema where they show porn movies in open…right in center of Peshawar..so don’t generalize about others.

Trust me that they aren't being looked down upon as much as your culture-full Iranian brothers are. Yes, Afghan families rather not let their children marry Pakistanis but not because they are Pakistanis, but because they are non-Afghans. Stop spreading lies, will ya? This ain't any Tajiki or Khorasani forum will people will start believing ya.

Iranian are not my brother as much as the dam pakistanians are not... in fact i consider both Iran and Pakistan as the enemy...moreover.. you just contradict you self... if Pashtons=Afghan then why the pashton of Afghanistan are refusing to marry their daughter to Pashton of Pakistan? Indeed the real reason why Afghans regardless of ethnic hate Pakistanis are the Monafeqyaat and lack of character of Pakistani people...just as they want to impose their Madrassa brainwashed taliban on Afghanistan but they themselves want to enjoy Mujrah dancing...and Bangraa. The fact is paksitani are the most cultureless and hypocrite people…there is one I know with long “Reesh” once I was getting some beer from his store and he ask for my ID… after seeing my Muslim name he goes..brother u drink beer… I was like **** yea I do…and you sell it.

And just while before you said only difference between Tajiks and Pukhtoons is their language, so how come Persian culture in this regard isn't same as Pukhtoon culture? I am seriously confused...........

Have u been to Afghanistan? say Laghman, Kapisa, Parwaan..there are Pashto speaker and Dari speaker living side by side... and there is absolutely no diff in term of culture or race in them...none wts ever.

Now that's a lie I could expect from any typical Parsiwaan! Kandaharis are being called gay while today it's Northerners who buy little boys or either abduct them so they can perform 'bacha bazi' for older men, while Kandaharis have been fighting for Pukhtoons' rights for centuries.

LOL if you were from kabul you would know that not only Kandhar...but Mazari, Logari and Takhirs are called gay...for there are a lot of gays in these places...there is absolute no diff between homo of kandhar or Mazar or anyone...all of these people must be hanged...they are not homo but pedophile...kill them all and let allah sort it out!

Shinwaris are known as very patriotic Pukhtoons and they are possibly only Pukhtoons in politics who will reply in Pukhto if Dari is being spoken to them. The point I am making here is that it's very typical of majority Kabulis to make fun of other people while they have got no idea what type of sh*t is being said behind their backs!

How about this
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...an-girls_N.htm


Or when these same Shinwaar rebelled against greatest king of Afghanistan Amanullah in favor of a Tajik thief Bachia Saqaaw? where was these Shinwaris ghirat then?

Respected Pukhtoons are usually being brought down by barbaric and comic Parsiwanan, who contributed nothing to Afghanistan themselves and then dare to make fun of others! Just like how they make fun of Laghmanis, though they are were dying for a Laghmani called Ahmad Zahir. Just like how they make fun of Kandaharis, though it was a Kandahari who freed them from Iranian claw. Even I can tell you hundreds of jokes made of Tajiks but I had rather not stoop to their level.

You can not have it both ways... Ahmad zahir was not laghmani simply because he and his parents non were born in Laghman...moreover he represented Persian culture not Pashton one...simply b/c all of his songs were in Persian with exception of 2 or 3 pashto songs.

Take a look at your Mazar first where mothers force their daughters to go into prostitution, while Pukhtanas in South are dying out of hunger as they don't a man in their household, but yet won't break their self-respect by forcing their daughters into prostitution! And not to mention little boys being sold for bacha bazi!

Again generalization... if a mazari women does that then its a shame for all afghans.

So in other words; Pukhtoon is Tajik and Tajik is Pukhtoon? Then what did Jasmine say wrong?

If pashton was tajik then they would not be called Pashton would they? The fact that racially they are same does noth mean Pashton=Tajik.

So if tomorrow only language your kids speak will be English, then what you gonna call your kids? Americans?

NO they will be called Afghan-American!