Best age for marriage?

[IamDZJ]

wanderer, i refuse to dignify that post with an answer. i can only imagine the sick environment in the household where you happened to happen.
in this thread we are talking about marriages between men and women. not the relationship of a man with his obedient or disobedient camel or pet. words used to describe a meritable relationship between civil married beings are compromising respectful and lovable not obedient or mouldable.

[khashayar]

Wonderer, go wonder off a cliff or summink. Sicko.

[Azad Khel]

This is a light discussion thread just for enjoyment and fun. This "ZINDIQ" brought the topic of religion here. He is making fun of us Muslims and Pukhtoon.

You are living a life like animals who don't know who is the real father. You made your women as show pieces, satisfying your sexual lust in the name of women independence, gender equality, moderation, enlightenment and human rights. These are the beautified slogans of the western society to make women fool and sex toy in the hands of men.

Made a girl friend, satisfied his lust, thrown her away, then looking for another one. This is your cultured society of the west. The only sufferer is the poor woman. She has to take care of the child/children born as a result of your friendship. This became now the story of the whole western society.



Age of Ummul Momineen Aishah Tayibah radhiyAllahu 'anha from Sahih Bukhari

Age of Ummul Momineen Aishah Tayibah radhiyAllahu 'anha from Sahih Bukhari

Hadith No. 121

Hadhrat ‘Aishah says,
‘When Nabi sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam married me, I was 6 (sittah) years old and at the age of 9 years I entered the marital relationship with him and I remained in his (sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam) nikah for 9 (tis’ah) years.’

(Kitabun Nikah, chapter 21, volume 3, page 45)

Hadith No. 938

Ummul Momineen ‘Aishah radhiyAllahu 'anha says,
‘I was never jealous of a woman as I was of Khadijah radhiyAllahu 'anha though she had died three years before my marriage.’

(Kitabul Adab, volume 3)

Here we learn that Saiyidah Khadijah radhiyAllahu 'anha died in 10 nabawi. And Hadhrat ‘Aishah’s nikah fell three years afterwards i.e in 13 nabawi, exactly the year of emigration, a few days before emigration.
According to the first hadith (121), Ummul Momineen were then 6 years old.

Hadith No. 1078

‘Abdullah said, ‘Khadijah radhiyAllahu 'anha died three (3) years before the emigration. He (sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam) waited for more or less two (2) years then he married Hadhrat ‘Aishah when she was six (6) years old. Then at the age of nine (9) years, she departed (to the house of Prophet).’

(Kitabul Ambiya, volume 2)

So Ummul Momineen were 6 years old, 2 years after Hadhrat Khadijah’s death (Hadith No. 1078), and they were 6 years old still after 3 years of Hadhrat Khaijah’s demise (Hadith No. 938).
(SubhanAllah, unbelievable results)

Hadith No. 2101

Ummul Momineen said, ‘When I was small and used to play, in those days this verse revealed on Rasoolullah sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam:
Balis-sa’atu maou-‘idu hum…. and it was learnt by me.’

(fadha’il-al-Quran, volume 2)

This verse is from surah Al-Qamar and surah Al-Qamar descent in 5 nabawi. This is the chapter of lunar fissure (shaq-qul-qamar). At that time Saiyidah Siddiqah radhiyAllahu 'anha were so intelligent, that they learnt this verse.
Now if at the time of her nikah which fell in either 10 or 12 or 13 nabawi, they were 6 years old then in 5 nabawi (lunar fissure) they were 1 year old or not even born. SubhanAllah!

Hadith No. 1087

Ummul Momineen radhiyAllahu 'anha says, ‘Since when I reached the age of discretion (understanding), I found my parents following Islam. There passed no day that Rasoolullah sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam didn’t come to us in the morning and evening.’

(Kitabul Ambiya, volume 2)

Now we should learn when exactly a girl reaches the age of discretion. By coincidence we have learnt when Imam Bukhari reached this age.

In the preface of ‘Fathul Bari’ (sharh Bukhari), it says:

‘Muhammad bin Waraq says, ‘I myself heard from Imam Bukhari. He said, “Allah granted me the fondness of learning hadith by rote when I was in maktab (school).” I asked, “When you had this desire, how old you were.”
He said, “Ashara sineena aou aqalla” i.e. 10 years old or less than that.’

This shows that Ummul Momineen reached the age of discretion in 5 nabawi so they were around 10 years old at that time.

Tabari’s this statement verifies it that all the children of Nabi sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam and Abu Bakr radhiyAllahu 'anhu were born before the apostleship (i.e. at the times of ignorance).

These two narrations (Hadith No. 2101 and No. 1087) refute the first narration, No. 121).

The Purpose of such Narrations

It is obvious that through such narrations not only Ummul Momineen are slandered but the blasphemy of our Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam is also meant.
So Enemies of Islam today (christians and others) give our Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam the name of a Paedophile (ma’azAllah).
And it is too strange that the kuffar of the past i.e. the worst and contemporary enemies of our Holy Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam, the mushrikeen of Makkah, jews and others have never been reported to give this name to our Holy Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam.
Doesn’t this knock at something in our heads?

Certainly, there is no truth in this claim that our Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam married Ummul Momineen ‘Aishah radhiyAllahu 'anha when they were 6 or 9 years old.

At the same time do we have any example of the period of ignorance or the apostleship that Arab girls got married then at the age of 6 or 9?

Or do we see today’s Arabia, where 6 or 9 year old girls are married?

And the most important, do we see any Hadith Scholar who marries a 6 or 9 year old girl, or loves to marry his daughter when she is 6 or 9 years old, in order to follow the Sunnah (maazAllah).

Obviously all these questions have a Big NO, when answered.

According to Mumtaz Begum who writes in her book ‘Aurat ka aayeli maqaam’ (Family status of a woman):

‘It has been proven by historical evidences that the age of Hadhrat Ayeshah radhiyAllahu 'anha, at the time of nikah, was at least 16 years and when departing to the house of Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam, it was 19 years. Narrations in which the numbers of 6 and 9 are described, there the word of tens place (dahaai) has been omitted or is (deliberately) removed. That is to say, sittah ‘ashar (16) and tis’ah ‘ashar (19) are made only sittah (6) and tis’ah (9). And the following transmitters (muhadditheen) have transferred it to us with closed eyes.

And on this basis the reasoning of scholars that from this narration, nikah of minor girls (of tender age) is justified, is totally absurd and nonsense. Not a single civilization in this world has allowed to play the game of sexuality with under age girls, then how Islam can permit that.’
(Even animals abstain from such practise.
But in such blasphemous narrations we believe as though they are the verses of the Book of Allah and keepy trying to interpret them unsuccessfully.)

The writer has supplied some references in the foot note:

Hadhrat ‘Aishah radhiyAllahu 'anha were ten (10) years younger than her sister Asma radhiyAllahu 'anha. Asma died in 73 hijri when her age was 100 years. In this way Asma radhiyAllahu 'anha was 27 or 28 at the time of emigration and Hadhrat ‘Aisha radhiyAllahu 'anha would be 17 or 18 years old.
Ummul Momineen departed for the house of Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam in 2 hijri. At that time they had reached the age of 19 or 20 years.

(Mishkaat Asma-ar-rijaal - ‘Ayni sharh Bukhari, volume 8, page 96 – Iste’aab, volume 2, page 744)

Moreover it is narrated that Hadhrat ‘Aishah radhiyAllahu 'anha were 5 years younger than Hadhrat Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha. When Hadhrat Fatimah radhiyAllahu 'anha died in 10 hijri, their age according to the famous quote was 30 years and according to Kalbi (Kazzab) 35 years.

(Iste’aab, volume 2, page 752 – Asadul Ghabah, volume 4, page 773)

So at the time of emigration, the age of Hadhrat ‘Aishah radhiyAllahu 'anha is found to be 15 or 20 years. When, 2 years later, their departure to the house of Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam took place, they were 17 or 22 years old.

[Naveed Safi]

i am 19 and going to marry HER as long as i am able to support her

[Gulbabo]

weird people come to this forum... weird i swear.

[tor_khan]

Wonderer. Go back to your Profile Page.

You didn't heed my subtle attempt to coach you otherwise. I'm generally a patient man, but today is Friday and a good day to cleanse my conscience. I cannot give you more elasticity to spread your sickness.

Good-bye. You are the weakest link.

[emkhan]

This thread is becoming a blasphemous thread... please close it down.

[Haris]

Wonderer there is a word that describes people like you. Paedophilia.

I would go into detail about your slanderous comments regarding our prophet (SAW) but I have exams next week and I do not believe that you are worth the time & effort I would put into such a task.

Your posts are not even amusing.



Do not close the thread, remove this person's disgusting comments and ban him if he persists.

[Naveed Safi]

Marry a sweet pretty YOUNG girl.
Ignore these women and pro-women men.

this is not the place where you have started such a discussion if you are interested then i will answer your thoughts about our Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) but again you will disagree with me but what if i quote you some sayings and writings of those who by religion were christians but they studied and studied with open eyes, the life, and teachings of Our Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and express and share their thought for Islam
there are alot of facts you can find, i am giving few of them

NO1.)Michael Hart in 'The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In History,' New York, 1978.

My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level. ...It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. ...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.

NO.2)James Michener in ‘Islam: The Misunderstood Religion,’ Reader’s Digest, May 1955, pp. 68-70.

"No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam. The West has widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the sword. But no modern scholar accepts this idea, and the Qur’an is explicit in the support of the freedom of conscience."

NO.3)D. G. Hogarth in 'Arabia'

Serious or trivial, his daily behavior has instituted a canon which millions observe this day with conscious memory. No one regarded by any section of the human race as Perfect Man has ever been imitated so minutely. The conduct of the founder of Christianity has not governed the ordinary life of his followers. Moreover, no founder of a religion has left on so solitary an eminence as the Muslim apostle.

NO.4)Reverend Bosworth Smith in 'Muhammad and Muhammadanism,' London, 1874.

"Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life." "In Mohammadanism every thing is different here. Instead of the shadowy and the mysterious, we have history....We know of the external history of Muhammad....while for his internal history after his mission had been proclaimed, we have a book absolutely unique in its origin, in its preservation....on the Substantial authority of which no one has ever been able to cast a serious doubt."

NO5.)Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,' 1840

"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only." "A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."
NO.6)A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951

The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.

NO6.)De Lacy O'Leary in 'Islam at the Crossroads,' London, 1923.

History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.

And This one is for you

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity." "I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

[graveyardofempires]

my age

[Laila]

You are pretty sick minded.

You can stop with the "you people." Go away and do something productive.

[Naveed Safi]

You are pretty sick minded.

You can stop with the "you people." Go away and do something productive.

who's sick minded?

[Haris]

^That user has thankfully been banned. Do not worry aout it.

[ghundal]

you can ban this sick freaks IP address permanently you know

[Azmaray]

to zender :
im gona marry ur doughter or sister who is 11 years old :p, okey ?