Things you notice, about Pukhtoons of across

[khushal]

I consider myself Afghan Pakhtun, but I'm going to give my assessment of both KP Pakhtuns and Pakhtuns of Afghanistan.

First KP Pakhtuns

- They tend to have very strong Indo-esque impression in their behavior patterns, I don't necessarily mean wearing shalwar kamiz; but little things, hand gestures, the way they walk, the way they pronounce words, they often bop/shake their heads when they talk, like they're rattling something in their skull. just like I see other Indian-types do.

I notice when certain forum members from that region like Toramana and Baygham transliterate Pashto, they write words like "dai" or "di" as "dhai" or "Dhee" which implicates a strong influence of Indian Phonetics, and I notice this when I hear/speak with Pakhtuns of that area in real life.

I bet if I saw Toramana and Baygham in real life, I could easily spot out their Indo-isms

- They tend to look cherub, not necessarily in a chubby way; but their faces tend to be more "baby-like", they don't have stern features that Afghan Pakhtuns tend to have

- The men behave a little bit more effeminately than Afghan Pakhtun, they're not hearty and virile like Afghan Pakhtuns tend to be

- KP Women are much more attractive, they tend to look very doe-eyed, fresh skin, nice ghanem to shidai shan spina complexion, cute noses, long coal black hair. Soft voices.

- KP women seem much more loyal and cooperative with their husbands.

- There are a higher percentage of KP Pakhtuns with degrees and educational credentials.

- They practice Islam better than Afghan Pakhtuns, but in a framework of South Asian cultural understandings. However, most KP Pakhtuns I know namaz (instead of munz) , roza, read the Qur'an. Most do not drink or do drugs, I'm sure there are exceptions I just don't meet them.

- They're more emotionally balanced, none I have met have any weird psychological issues or bizarre personality traits.

- More trusting, easy going, softer touch.

- They however also tend to be a bit more spineless, not as willing to take charge, afraid of things

- They're easily swayed and overwhelmed by ostentatious images of strength and power.

- More willing to give up and surrender.

Afghan Pakhtuns
- They're more fierce in character, much harsher. Very aggressive, short tempered.

- they're much more independent

- less penetrable to being swayed or manipulated

- Very suspicious of everyone and what everyone is up to.

- They're way more Ghairati, and fiercely protective.

- AFghan Pakhtun women tend to be really danga, A LOOOOOT of Afghan women are HUGE. My cousin is 6'2"

- Afghan Pakhtun women at least in the states often have weight issues, I dont mean a few lbs here and there, I mean ...being FAT

- AFghan Pakhtun women, also lack in looks department, they have kind of MANLY features a lot of times. That doesn't mean there are no pretty Afghan women, just not as many as in KP. Manly Jawlines plague Afghan girls.

- Afghans tend to be a bit more fair skinned in general compared to KP Pakhtuns.

- Afghan Pakhtun guys try too hard to act "Ebonically inclined"; it's obnoxious and a huge reason I don't associate with them here.

- Afghan Pakhtun guys have generally no ambitions what so ever.

- A lot of them are involved in criminal activities of some sort;

The father of a Qandahari girl I was going to marry ended up being sent to jail for drug trafficking, needless to say my parents forced me to disband from this person because this is nothing but bad news.

- Afghan Pakhtuns Gossip all the time about everyone.

- When you catch an Afghan Pakhtun doing something totally wrong and shameful they use the "Pure Heart" excuse. which we all know is total nonsense.

- Afghans hold on to their culture more, more pure aspects of Pakhtun culture like Shnai Porani during weddings is done by Afghans than with KP Pakhtuns who tend to have more punjabified attire.

- Tend to be quite psychologically dysfunctional, I lost count at how many psychos who have bipolar, manic depressive , histrionic personality disorder I have met.

- Although KP Pakhtuns seem to speak a more Urdu-esque/influenced Pakhto, MORE KP Pakhtuns speak Pakhto, than Afghan Paktuns who speak Pakhto.

Pakhtuns from Afghanistan tend to be better at speaking Dari than Pakhto.

- afghan women tend to be rude, uncooperative snotty, greedy, overestimating their worth

- Afghan men and women lack a sense of loyalty to their spouses

- they're not loving people

- Afghan Pakhtuns have a stronger sense of Pakhtun identity and stronger value for their ethnicity than KP Pakhtuns do.

- Afghan pakhtuns are some of the most caniving , vicious and treacherous people I have ever met.

- As someone already said, they have this "Master Race" psychology.

- They're so full of false pride that any dent becomes a big blow to their esteem.

I'll stop now

What is all this. Schimitar, have you been to Afghanistan or Pukhtunkwa?

Your observation may have come from families here in the west but that is not a correct assessment of the people that live on the land over their.

Like I stated before I don't see any difference between the city people of Kabul and Peshawar, one is Persianized, and the other more Indic. Also there is no difference between the rural people on both sides. \
The only difference is that the afghans had to endure 30 years of war, so lack of education and resources may have attributed to a less tolerant attitude and a much harsher and aggressive trait that is in tune with their experiences. But some of the most fiercely independent people in the world are in Pukhtunkwa, and some of the most honorable people in the world are in Afghanistan, people that would take a bullet for you.

[kakargirl]

what iv noticed about mardan kohat quetta swabi people we get on with them they are strict just like us , the men work women stay at home , their dress code is strict and very islamic their men and women don't mix just like our familys , if you go to their house the men will already get out before you go in , so i don't find them different from my family .

[Admin Khan]

Another thing I have noticed about Pashtuns of both sides is the minute we get Ph.Ds or MA's/MS's we begin speaking in either Urdu or Persian to sound sophisticated. The aforementioned mainly applies to Pashtuns of Kabul and Peshawar.

[Laila]

Another thing I have noticed about Pashtuns of both sides is the minute we get Ph.Ds or MA's/MS's we begin speaking in either Urdu or Persian to sound sophisticated. The aforementioned mainly applies to Pashtuns of Kabul and Peshawar.

I agree.

Now why is that? Maybe that is why many Kabuli people think Pashto is an 'illiterate' language....while half of the educated people in Kabul City are Pashtuns.

[Admin Khan]

I agree.

Now why is that? Maybe that is why many Kabuli people think Pashto is an 'illiterate' language....while more than half of the educated people in Kabul City are Pashtuns.

Almost every single Kabuli I have met in my life claims his grandmother or his grandfather hailed from Helmand/Kandahar. They immigrated to Kabul, and simply began speaking Pashto. They have still retained the Popalzai or Mohammadzai last name though. They do not think Pashto is an illiterate language. The problem is quite obvious, there is no incentive in learning Pashto. The large chunk of our ethnic group are from Pakistan, and we need to work with them in promoting Pashto. In the past 100 years, Pashto has been suffering. I am a tad bit happy knowing that as of recent, I have seen a few attempts for the revival of Pashto in Pashtunkhwa.

You just can't expect Pashto to succeed if the majority of it's population can't read and write in Pashto. That's just not how it works unfortunately. Pashtuns learn Dari because it gives them job opportunities in Kabul. I will give you a perfect example, albeit a harsh one for many. When the Taliban took over Afghanistan, everybody wanted to learn Pashto all of a sudden. Why? Because Kandahar was serving as the defacto capital, and everything in Kandahar is in Pashto. In fact, even in Kabul they were speaking in Pashto. I have this dream of seeing Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan working together in promoting Pashto, let's see how my dream ends up.

[IamDZJ]

i m not going to get in to the details of what i notice about pashtuns on either side of the border because i am afraid that once i start i will not be able to stop and that would make me sound like the rest of you **** heads.
seriously, you talk and talk and talk about how you are brothers and the same people until people like me are sick and tired of listening and then you judge each other's ghairat by the amount of salt you add to your foods.

what i have noticed about pashtuns of this site in general is that we tend to be very very arrogant. i am not kidding when i say that i have never in my life met a single pashtun that acts half as stuck up as the so called pure blooded pashtuns amonst you people...and i have lived in some really narrow minded backwards or whatever you people call it environments due to the nature of my parent's careers from back in the days.
i m hoping that it is something that is only common with pashtuns abroad and that i am not mistaken because up until a year ago i was a very proud pashtana. i just adored everything about pashtu and the pashtuns...now i am not so sure..

i am not even going to bother sharing the differences because i don't think you people are worth it.

[Laila]

Almost every single Kabuli I have met in my life claims his grandmother or his grandfather hailed from Helmand/Kandahar. They immigrated to Kabul, and simply began speaking Pashto. They have still retained the Popalzai or Mohammadzai last name though. They do not think Pashto is an illiterate language. The problem is quite obvious, there is no incentive in learning Pashto. The large chunk of our ethnic group are from Pakistan, and we need to work with them in promoting Pashto. In the past 100 years, Pashto has been suffering. I am a tad bit happy knowing that as of recent, I have seen a few attempts for the revival of Pashto in Pashtunkhwa.

You just can't expect Pashto to succeed if the majority of it's population can't read and write in Pashto. That's just not how it works unfortunately. Pashtuns learn Dari because it gives them job opportunities in Kabul. I will give you a perfect example, albeit a harsh one for many. When the Taliban took over Afghanistan, everybody wanted to learn Pashto all of a sudden. Why? Because Kandahar was serving as the defacto capital, and everything in Kandahar is in Pashto. In fact, even in Kabul they were speaking in Pashto.


I have this dream of seeing Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan working together in promoting Pashto, let's see how my dream ends up.

I truly hope to see the same too

[khushal]

Almost every single Kabuli I have met in my life claims his grandmother or his grandfather hailed from Helmand/Kandahar. They immigrated to Kabul, and simply began speaking Pashto. They have still retained the Popalzai or Mohammadzai last name though. They do not think Pashto is an illiterate language. The problem is quite obvious, there is no incentive in learning Pashto. The large chunk of our ethnic group are from Pakistan, and we need to work with them in promoting Pashto. In the past 100 years, Pashto has been suffering. I am a tad bit happy knowing that as of recent, I have seen a few attempts for the revival of Pashto in Pashtunkhwa.

You just can't expect Pashto to succeed if the majority of it's population can't read and write in Pashto. That's just not how it works unfortunately. Pashtuns learn Dari because it gives them job opportunities in Kabul. I will give you a perfect example, albeit a harsh one for many. When the Taliban took over Afghanistan, everybody wanted to learn Pashto all of a sudden. Why? Because Kandahar was serving as the defacto capital, and everything in Kandahar is in Pashto. In fact, even in Kabul they were speaking in Pashto.


I have this dream of seeing Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan working together in promoting Pashto, let's see how my dream ends up.

Not only that but the administrators were pashtun in kabul, so the locals had no choice but to learn pashto. But the society can not advance just by administering in pashto, there has to be literature for people to learn a wide variety of subjects.
Lately some freedom was granted for pashtuns in Pukhtunkwa to contribute to pashto literature, but before it was the government of pakistan that suppressed and prevented pashtuns to advance their own language out of fear of that the pashtuns would be inspired to struggle for independence.

The same reason behind the motive of why the turks suppress the kurdish language.

Many Kabuli's I have met also say their ancestors hail from Kandahar just like most Indians I meet with last name Khan say their ancestors hail from Kandahar.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Were not you an Arab with some sprinkling of Pashtun blood?

No because my father's Pakhtoon

are you not an Indian who wants so desperately to fit in amongst Pakhtoons?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Although, I will not be to the point and digress from the topic but I will give you another categorization...

1. Greater Peshawar Valley: In this, I will include all those Pashtana that speak the hard Pashto dialect ....This includes Pashthana of

-Malakand (Swat, Shangla, Bunair, Lower Dir, Upper Dir, Malakang Agency),
-Peshawar plains: Charssada, Mardan, Sawabi, Peshawar, Noshera,
-Ningarahar subvalley: Kunar, Ningarhar, Laghman, Paktia, Paktika,
-Agencies: Momand Agency, Bajuar Agency, Khyber Agency, Orakzai Agency, and N/S WaziristanAgency,
-South plains: Bannu, Kohat, Laki Marwat, and DI Khan...
-Hazara (some parts of Hazara like Battgram etc.)...

2. Greater Kandahar-Queta Valley ...Pashthana speaking soft dialect of Pashto...

Queta, Loralai, Pshin, Qila Saifullah, Ziarat, Kandahar, Helmand, Ghazni, Farah, Orzgan, etc...

The above are the two centers of Pashtun power ....The difference of dialect is nothing...and if Arabs can have one Arab community despite the geographical separation why can't we....

Ghazni speaks mungak Pakhto,

and Arabs don't have one community, Arabs of different regions are very distinct.

[ScimitarXEdge]

actually Graveyard is right, Border region Pakhtuns from the Paktika/Khost area with Waziristan/Fata are almost identical in character. They belong in a classification all their own.

[ScimitarXEdge]

My personal experience with Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

They would communicate in Pashto with Pashtuns of Kp but whenever they

meet some Pashtun of Afghanistan , they wouldnt hesitate communicating in Dari.

Besides that I dont think there is much difference.

actually you're half right, But I find that extremely annoying when that's done

Qandaharis dont do it, in fact I dont know a single Qandahari who can speak Dari, I'm sure there are some, but it seems rare

Logaris and Laghmanis however, speak Dari like a bulbul

[graveyardofempires]

My personal experience with Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

They would communicate in Pashto with Pashtuns of Kp but whenever they

meet some Pashtun of Afghanistan , they wouldnt hesitate communicating in Dari.

Besides that I dont think there is much difference.

da se way yara
ma kho kela ham dasey pukhtane ne dey leedeley che yaw bel sara pe parso weghagegey.
kho imkaan yee shta ,de dey matlab ne dey che tol dasey dey. 0.1% ba yee.

[graveyardofempires]

I personally know these two guys , one is from logar and other one is Wardak.

its possbile but that doesnt mean "Pukhtane from Afghanistan" are like that.

[khushal]

My personal experience with Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

They would communicate in Pashto with Pashtuns of Kp but whenever they

meet some Pashtun of Afghanistan , they wouldnt hesitate communicating in Dari.

Besides that I dont think there is much difference.

I have also noticed this with afghans that know how to speak Dari, but you seem to be implying that all pashtuns in afghanistan do this, which is not true. The vast majority of pashtuns in afghanaistan dont know how to speak dari. The only pashtuns that have learned dari are the ones that have gone to school or they have lived in Kabul, Herat or Mazari sharif. But the same thing implies to Tajiks and Hazaras, if they have lived in Kandahar, Jalalabad, or any other pashtun city in the south and east have learned pashto and will speak pashto to pashtuns.

One thing I have noticed is that when Im with my afghani friends and some farsiban shows up, they all speak dari and Im left out of the conversation so I leave because I dont speak dari. But when Im with Paktunkwa friends and a panjabi shows up, then we all speak english because they have consideration for both me and the panjabi so no one is left out of the conversation. I think the reasoning behind this is that the KP friends are highly educated and the afghani friends have limited education and feel inferior when they speak english around me. Ive also noticed that my afghani friends brag alot and my KP friends almost never brag, I again believe the education comes into play. But Ive noticed this bragging thing with all ethnicities, If you look at black people and white people, I think the education level has a lot to do with it but that does not imply to everybody.