Things you notice, about Pukhtoons of across

[Feroza_Banu]

^LOL... that made me laugh... some of them are not true... but it was fun to read

[Laila]

I wasnt going to comment on this thread.....but then what the hell, i will just say what i have observed....but they arent a big deal or anything

KP Pashtuns:

*They tend to think Afghan traditional dresses are Persian dresses, whilst its not true at all I knew an Afridy girl that adored Afghani dresses when we would go to weddings, and i kept on saying she could have one of my dresses.....but she told me her family hates them because there is nothing Pashtun about it, she said they thought it was a Kabul-Persianized dress.....while that is not true at all.
*Majority of the ladies from KP are a lot more educated than Pashtun women in Afghanistan.
* i saw someone mention that KP Pashtuns tend to be more religious and conservative, from my observations, i have to agree.
One time we had guests at my house....and of course the men and women were separated in two different living rooms. The men had their own bathroom and the women had their own bathroom. When our guest were settled in and stuff i noticed how our Laghmani, Paktia, and Kandahari women were not as strict as the Afridy women....because they wanted a whole pardah put up in our living room, while no man was to be seen at all. Just what i noticed.

*Majority use 'Khan' as their last name


Pashtuns from Afghanistan:

*I havent seen KP pashtuns eat much shorwa, or at all.....pashtuns from Afg eat shorwa like there is no tomorrow
* many Pashtuns in Afghanistan think their province or qwam is superior.....with some people it is so true! no one can from Afg cannot deny that.......a few of you have that problem too no names though
*Some Pashtuns in Afg have a hard time of accepting the fact of intermarriage with KP Pashtuns, and vice versa. And i absolutely hate that!
* the shalwar kameez we tend to wear, is more plain, and not embedded much.
*Majority use their tribal name or their father's first name as a last name.

to be continued......

[Gulalai]

guys the intentions of this poster is bad
he wants to cause friction amongst us
just think about what makes us united.

i agree. and a lot of the stuff people have been posting are things they might have noticed with a family or two or three, but that is nothing compared to the many many pakhtuns living on both sides >.<

if there was no Durand line what would we say? "Those pashtuns and these pashtuns"?

[graveyardofempires]

I consider myself Afghan Pakhtun, but I'm going to give my assessment of both KP Pakhtuns and Pakhtuns of Afghanistan.

First KP Pakhtuns

- They tend to have very strong Indo-esque impression in their behavior patterns, I don't necessarily mean wearing shalwar kamiz; but little things, hand gestures, the way they walk, the way they pronounce words, they often bop/shake their heads when they talk, like they're rattling something in their skull. just like I see other Indian-types do.

I notice when certain forum members from that region like Toramana and Baygham transliterate Pashto, they write words like "dai" or "di" as "dhai" or "Dhee" which implicates a strong influence of Indian Phonetics, and I notice this when I hear/speak with Pakhtuns of that area in real life.

I bet if I saw Toramana and Baygham in real life, I could easily spot out their Indo-isms

- They tend to look cherub, not necessarily in a chubby way; but their faces tend to be more "baby-like", they don't have stern features that Afghan Pakhtuns tend to have

- The men behave a little bit more effeminately than Afghan Pakhtun, they're not hearty and virile like Afghan Pakhtuns tend to be

- KP Women are much more attractive, they tend to look very doe-eyed, fresh skin, nice ghanem to shidai shan spina complexion, cute noses, long coal black hair. Soft voices.

- KP women seem much more loyal and cooperative with their husbands.

- There are a higher percentage of KP Pakhtuns with degrees and educational credentials.

- They practice Islam better than Afghan Pakhtuns, but in a framework of South Asian cultural understandings. However, most KP Pakhtuns I know namaz (instead of munz) , roza, read the Qur'an. Most do not drink or do drugs, I'm sure there are exceptions I just don't meet them.

- They're more emotionally balanced, none I have met have any weird psychological issues or bizarre personality traits.

- More trusting, easy going, softer touch.

- They however also tend to be a bit more spineless, not as willing to take charge, afraid of things

- They're easily swayed and overwhelmed by ostentatious images of strength and power.

- More willing to give up and surrender.

Afghan Pakhtuns
- They're more fierce in character, much harsher. Very aggressive, short tempered.

- they're much more independent

- less penetrable to being swayed or manipulated

- Very suspicious of everyone and what everyone is up to.

- They're way more Ghairati, and fiercely protective.

- AFghan Pakhtun women tend to be really danga, A LOOOOOT of Afghan women are HUGE. My cousin is 6'2"

- Afghan Pakhtun women at least in the states often have weight issues, I dont mean a few lbs here and there, I mean ...being FAT

- AFghan Pakhtun women, also lack in looks department, they have kind of MANLY features a lot of times. That doesn't mean there are no pretty Afghan women, just not as many as in KP. Manly Jawlines plague Afghan girls.

- Afghans tend to be a bit more fair skinned in general compared to KP Pakhtuns.

- Afghan Pakhtun guys try too hard to act "Ebonically inclined"; it's obnoxious and a huge reason I don't associate with them here.

- Afghan Pakhtun guys have generally no ambitions what so ever.

- A lot of them are involved in criminal activities of some sort;

The father of a Qandahari girl I was going to marry ended up being sent to jail for drug trafficking, needless to say my parents forced me to disband from this person because this is nothing but bad news.

- Afghan Pakhtuns Gossip all the time about everyone.

- When you catch an Afghan Pakhtun doing something totally wrong and shameful they use the "Pure Heart" excuse. which we all know is total nonsense.

- Afghans hold on to their culture more, more pure aspects of Pakhtun culture like Shnai Porani during weddings is done by Afghans than with KP Pakhtuns who tend to have more punjabified attire.

- Tend to be quite psychologically dysfunctional, I lost count at how many psychos who have bipolar, manic depressive , histrionic personality disorder I have met.

- Although KP Pakhtuns seem to speak a more Urdu-esque/influenced Pakhto, MORE KP Pakhtuns speak Pakhto, than Afghan Paktuns who speak Pakhto.

Pakhtuns from Afghanistan tend to be better at speaking Dari than Pakhto.

- afghan women tend to be rude, uncooperative snotty, greedy, overestimating their worth

- Afghan men and women lack a sense of loyalty to their spouses

- they're not loving people

- Afghan Pakhtuns have a stronger sense of Pakhtun identity and stronger value for their ethnicity than KP Pakhtuns do.

- Afghan pakhtuns are some of the most caniving , vicious and treacherous people I have ever met.

- As someone already said, they have this "Master Race" psychology.

- They're so full of false pride that any dent becomes a big blow to their esteem.

I'll stop now

dude where did you dig that from
you are worng on so many levels but again it is your own view from where you are looking.

i disagree with most of your points regarding KP and Afghanistan

to me they are both one and the same since i know them personally and been around them in the respective geographical locations.

Pukhtane from Kp are awsome and friendly but the police force is a terrorist.
once i remeber me and my uncle had a running with this group of people about "till Atok is Afghanistan anyways" this group was looking for trouble and we called in our Lar aw Bar type fo brother and he put these fools in their place.Pukhtane from KP are very friendly but at the same time you dont want to cross the line.they have always helped Afghans thats why even farsiwaan Afghans speak Pukhto in hayathabad.Pukhtane from Pukhtunkhwa almmost have the same food customs and clothes and they speak the same way as people would speak in jalalabad/kunar.
i have seen they been using urdu 1,2,3, latly but i think it wasnt like this years ago.i love the sense of humor of people in Pekhawer and the comedy drama series.i dont like the crappy music video clips and actors such as jangir khan.There ahve been many Poets from Pukhtunkhwa which i like and offcourse we also had Bacha Khan(Fakhre Afghan) from KP.Pukhtane in KP keep mustashes more often and they wear Topay more often.Pukhtane in Pukhtunkhwa have had more acces to electricity,media,food,healthcare in the last 3 decades more than Afghanistan and they didnt have war.

Afghanistan

In Afghanistan Pukhtane are hardend ,much more understanding and less agressive,you may see one who is skinny but yet very strong.Pukhtane in Afghanistan have had much more turbulance int he last 3 decades facing a situation with no electricity,food,shelter,healthcare etc.Pukhtane in Afg consider Pukhtane in KP as their brothers and have never accepted durrand line.Nowadays Pukhtane from Afghanistan are getting very anti pakistan for reasons such as ,they have to have a visa to visit Pekhawer,Pakistan playing political games etc,this wasnt always like this but its the sad reality now.Pukhtane in Afghanistan are all over the country mostly in the south and east and than comes west and north.Pukhtane from East are highly engaged in lar aw bar yaw Afghan campagne and you have a flag of Pukhtunistan flying in down town Nangarhar.Pukhtane from south and those from Quetta dont even see any difference between them and they have almost everything the same.
Pukhtane mostly from west AFG herath speak dari but they still live pukhtunwali and you even find them wearing the ancient pukhtun clothes.
Pukhtane in North speak Pukhto which resembles that of laghman in the east.Pukhtane who speak Khostai dialect are also much united with waziristan etc.afghanistan has much more kuchis and in Pakistan i have never seen a caravan.


There are offcourse many more points about education progress etc

i will not be talking as SXmetrix did about women as you know that is not very pukhtun to be talking about women in such terms.


BTW TO ME LAR AW BAR IS AFGHAN SO KP IS AFGHANISTAN AS WELL.

[graveyardofempires]

i agree. and a lot of the stuff people have been posting are things they might have noticed with a family or two or three, but that is nothing compared to the many many pakhtuns living on both sides >.<

if there was no Durand line what would we say? "Those pashtuns and these pashtuns"?

That comment was awsome

[Laila]

Yeah Graveyard, i havent seen much of a big difference between me and a Peshwari none at all. Our Pashto is the same and cultural values


A Kandahari friend of mine visited Quetta last September to see her mothers side of the family.....she said she felt as if she was in Kandahar, it felt no different to her.

Overall, i dont notice a big difference at all.....maybe influences are somewhat different, but we are still the same Pashtuns. Who cares if KP Pashtuns have a more Urdu/Panjabi influence on them....and who cares if a Pashtun in Afghanistan has more Persian/Farsi influence.....afterall, its our fault for that. We both need to work on preserving Pashto, and working together on it will be the only way.

[Wrayun]

guys the intentions of this poster is bad
he wants to cause friction amongst us
just think about what makes us united.

Yes, my intentions are very bad. In fact, I was paid by Mossad to create this thread. While waiting for my haram money, ISI got involved, and sent me a bonus as well. The CIA is next inline to pay me.

Now, purpose of this thread? Simple, let it out. Whatever you have experienced, or prejudices you might have against fellow Pukhtoons, let it out. So others can respond and correct it. It is a good exercise. This thread is a good practice, that is if we, as Pukhtoons, remain civil, and control our emotions.

You on the other hand, I wish there was a way to block immature imbeciles like you from discussions. Leave these topics to the pros. Go back to spamming.

[graveyardofempires]

Yes, my intentions are very bad. In fact, I was paid by Mossad to create this thread. While waiting for my haram money, ISI got involved, and sent me a bonus as well. The CIA is next inline to pay me.

Now, purpose of this thread? Simple, let it out. Whatever you have experienced, or prejudices you might have against fellow Pukhtoons, let it out. So others can respond and correct it. It is a good exercise. This thread is a good practice, that is if we, as Pukhtoons, remain civil, and control our emotions.

You on the other hand, I wish there was a way to block immature imbeciles like you from discussions. Leave these topics to the pros. Go back to spamming.

oh shut up now we are in control
go back to sleep

[IamDZJ]

you people on the both sides are an embarrassment to the title of pashtoonhood. seriously..

[Toramana]

I find that most of the highly educated Pukhtanay come from either the Swat area or from the Swabi/Mardan/Charsadda belt. I am from Dir and many families from Dir have recently started educating their daughters further than metric which has become the norm following the Swathis, which is a good thing.... and marrying them off later.

Same goes for men, never heard a father selling land for his sons education but have seen it happen many times. One man told my father that if my son becomes educated and "successful" he will by back the land for me... talk about long term planning... the more I get to know the people of Swat the more I like them... very progressive!

Thanks man for the admiration for Swatis. You know there is just one small mountain separating Swat from Dir, which you can cross in half-an-hour when you walk and just in 3 minutes when you go by road (via Ramora)...

I think it would be better if we forget about the old artificial Swati/Diri identities induced by the two states... There is no more a Swat in the old sense now that it has been divided into three administrative units (Swat main, Shangla, and Bunair)...And so for Dir, which has been divided into Upper Dir and Lower dir...Also look at the amount of interaction happening between Dir and Swat...From Timagar every other minutes leaves a coach to Swat and vice versa from Mingora....

Although, few in the young generation have a clue or care what their tribes are and identify themselves as Pashtuns, even in the tribal sense, there are Yousafzais on both sides (Adenzai and Malaizai and Shamozai + Nebki Khel demographically criss-crossing with each other)...Rather Malakand agency (Batkhela, Thana, Totakan, etc.) are Yousafzais (Ranizai)...

But I have found Dirian to be very competative and would do anything to get their children educated in the best institutions in KPK available....

Personally, I like Sawabai Pashthana very much ... one of the most joly Pashthana I have met ever ---warm, frank, and hospitable....(they say mailma dama sha oba oska when they see a stranger) ...And very soft-spoken as well specially those of Sawabai, Khota, Topai...

[Toramana]

What I like about Pashtuns from Afghanistan:

-Relatively more conscious about our language and culture (I am speaking of rural Pashthana not those of Kabul)...
-They have better upheld Pashtun identity...
-They have healthy food habits...I don't like spices/chilly ... The south Asian food is very unhealthy and kind of impure....
-I like the traditional Pashtun dress that Pashthanae from Afghanistan have retained while Pashtanae from KP have lost...I want our women to re-discover that dress....

[Toramana]

Although, I will not be to the point and digress from the topic but I will give you another categorization...

1. Greater Peshawar Valley: In this, I will include all those Pashtana that speak the hard Pashto dialect ....This includes Pashthana of

-Malakand (Swat, Shangla, Bunair, Lower Dir, Upper Dir, Malakang Agency),
-Peshawar plains: Charssada, Mardan, Sawabi, Peshawar, Noshera,
-Ningarahar subvalley: Kunar, Ningarhar, Laghman, Paktia, Paktika,
-Agencies: Momand Agency, Bajuar Agency, Khyber Agency, Orakzai Agency, and N/S WaziristanAgency,
-South plains: Bannu, Kohat, Laki Marwat, and DI Khan...
-Hazara (some parts of Hazara like Battgram etc.)...

2. Greater Kandahar-Queta Valley ...Pashthana speaking soft dialect of Pashto...

Queta, Loralai, Pshin, Qila Saifullah, Ziarat, Kandahar, Helmand, Ghazni, Farah, Orzgan, etc...

The above are the two centers of Pashtun power ....The difference of dialect is nothing...and if Arabs can have one Arab community despite the geographical separation why can't we....

[Toramana]

I consider myself Afghan Pakhtun, but I'm going to give my assessment of both KP Pakhtuns and Pakhtuns of Afghanistan.

Were not you an Arab with some sprinkling of Pashtun blood?

[Laila]

What I like about Pashtuns from Afghanistan:

-Relatively more conscious about our language and culture (I am speaking of rural Pashthana not those of Kabul)...
-They have better upheld Pashtun identity...
-They have healthy food habits...I don't like spices/chilly ... The south Asian food is very unhealthy and kind of impure....
-I like the traditional Pashtun dress that Pashthanae from Afghanistan have retained while Pashtanae from KP have lost...I want our women to re-discover that dress....

I also want them to rediscover it too! Pashtunas in our traditional dress and jewelery look like angels, just completely beautiful on them.

[Admin Khan]

What I have noticed is that it depends on the region. I have a few Pashtun friends from Quetta, and I see absolutely no difference. However, I know a few Pashtuns from Nowshaar who refuse to speak Pashto with me. I honestly only see minor differences. I really wish we could wake up and realize that we are the same exact people.