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  • #16
    welcome to PF guys
    Hey ave are you armenian? Barevdzes=) I had 2 very good friends from armenia - Akop and Artur. But they left for US..

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Darweshkhel View Post
      welcome to PF guys
      Hey ave are you armenian? Barevdzes=) I had 2 very good friends from armenia - Akop and Artur. But they left for US..
      Barev qez Akhpers!
      Yes dear Darweshkhel, I am Armenian.
      Where do You live?
      I think You welcomed me already brother

      By the way, if is needed I can upload some mateial on Pamir languages, Ossetic, Yaghnobi(only problem that it is in russian)
      Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
      Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

      Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
      Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

      Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
      Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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      • #18
        I live in germany.
        Please share with us everything you have. That's not a problem to me I'm fluent in russian also.

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        • #19
          does anyone know the historical background of Ossetian and Pashto language relationships???

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          • #20
            That is a difficult question dear Karachi!
            The linguist tell that Pashto is part of southeastern iranic group and Ossetic of northeastern Iranic group of languages.
            I personally do not speak noone of both, so I cannot help with examples.
            I know that the closest language to Ossetian is Yaghnobi, and even it so not too close.
            Ossetians are thought to be part of Alans, a Sarmatian tribe.
            Also culturally they have a lot of ancient Iranic(not Persian) traditions.
            I have read some discussins between Pamirians and Ossetians, who mentioned the close cultural ties and many similarities in culture of both.
            About connection to Pashtuns it is difficult to tell.
            Sarmatians live in the volga steppe quiet long, so they are devided from Pashtunlands for a long time to have direct similarities.
            That is at least what i see, but my opinon is nothing.
            The sound of Ossetic and Pashto is quiet different, so perhaps they even can be similar, but differ due to pronounciation.
            Hopefully our Pamirian member is well informed.
            Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
            Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

            Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
            Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

            Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
            Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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            • #21
              According to the recent findings of linguists, existing classification of languages will soon be obsolete. Biosociolinguistic, taking into account three factors - language, culture and genes will probably create new classifications.
              دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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              • #22
                But languages aren't based on genes at all.
                Linguistic division is based mostly only on language and culture.
                Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
                Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

                Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
                Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

                Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
                Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Arevapasht View Post
                  But languages aren't based on genes at all.
                  Linguistic division is based mostly only on language and culture.

                  But genetics can verify what we know about languages. Genetics help to determine how communities mixed among themselves and what were the routes of their migrations.
                  I think L. L. Cavalli-Sforza was one of the first scientists who started such studies. Some abstracts should be available on pubmed.

                  I would also recommend the book of Steve Olson: Mapping human history. Discovering the past through our genes.

                  If you are interested in biosociolinguistic I could send you bibliography in next week.
                  دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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                  • #24
                    @Arevapasht - I uploaded something for you: http://www.pashtunforums.com/english...-sforza-22582/
                    دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Pamiri Khukhnun View Post
                      By the way, I have many friends Ossetian - and if you want i can invite them too
                      Welcome.

                      Please invite them. I would love to interact with them.
                      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                      • #26
                        1 - iw
                        2 - duen
                        3 - aray
                        4 - cavar
                        5 - pindz
                        6 - khogh
                        7 - uvd
                        8 - wakht
                        9 - noy
                        10 - dis (this)
                        1 - jau
                        2 - dwa
                        3 - dre
                        4 - calor
                        5 - pinze
                        6 - shpag
                        7 - owe
                        8 - ate
                        9 - neh
                        10 - las

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                        • #27
                          Pamiri Khuknum, welcome most---Wakhi language is closer to Pashto---bot are North East Iranian Languages ----Pashto is sometimes classified South Eastern Iranian by linguolist but most linguists have classified it as north eastern Iranian. Other Pamiri languages like Sangalchi, Yaghnobi, Shughni, etc. are also grouped as east Iranian.

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                          • #28
                            The Eastern Iranian languages are a subgroup of the Iranian languages emerging in Middle Iranian times (from ca. the 4th century BC). The Avestan language is often classified as early Eastern Iranian. The largest living Eastern Iranian language is Pashto with some 40 million speakers, a major language of Afghanistan and Pakistan west of the River Indus. As opposed to the Middle Western Iranian dialects, the Middle Eastern Iranian preserves word-final syllables.
                            The living Eastern Iranian languages are spoken in a contiguous area, in Afghanistan as well as the adjacent parts of western Pakistan, Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Province of eastern Tajikistan, and the far west of Xinjiang region of China, while it also has two other living members in widely separated areas, the Yaghnobi language of northwestern Tajikistan (descended from Sogdian) and the Ossetic language of the Caucasus (descended from Scytho-Sarmatian). These are remnants of a vast ethno-linguistic continuum that stretched over most of Central Asia in the 1st millennium BC.
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages

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                            • #29
                              The southern group includes Pashto, Pamir languages, and Ormuri-Parachi.[1] Pashto is spoken in eastern, southern and few other parts of Afghanistan, and western Pakistan. Pamir languages are spoken in the Pamir Mountains. Ormuri is spoken in Kaniguram in South Waziristan area of Pakistan, but there may be still some speakers in Baraki Barak in Logar province of Afghanistan. Parachi is spoken in the upper part of Nijrab, north of Kabul.
                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages

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                              • #30
                                thanks, to all ! i will try to answer to all your question from the beginning ....

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