Closest language to Pashto - Pamiri

[Darweshkhel]

welcome to PF guys
Hey ave are you armenian? Barevdzes=) I had 2 very good friends from armenia - Akop and Artur. But they left for US..

[Tjanaparh]

welcome to PF guys
Hey ave are you armenian? Barevdzes=) I had 2 very good friends from armenia - Akop and Artur. But they left for US..

Barev qez Akhpers!
Yes dear Darweshkhel, I am Armenian.
Where do You live?
I think You welcomed me already brother

By the way, if is needed I can upload some mateial on Pamir languages, Ossetic, Yaghnobi(only problem that it is in russian)

[Darweshkhel]

I live in germany.
Please share with us everything you have. That's not a problem to me I'm fluent in russian also.

[Karachi]

does anyone know the historical background of Ossetian and Pashto language relationships???

[Tjanaparh]

That is a difficult question dear Karachi!
The linguist tell that Pashto is part of southeastern iranic group and Ossetic of northeastern Iranic group of languages.
I personally do not speak noone of both, so I cannot help with examples.
I know that the closest language to Ossetian is Yaghnobi, and even it so not too close.
Ossetians are thought to be part of Alans, a Sarmatian tribe.
Also culturally they have a lot of ancient Iranic(not Persian) traditions.
I have read some discussins between Pamirians and Ossetians, who mentioned the close cultural ties and many similarities in culture of both.
About connection to Pashtuns it is difficult to tell.
Sarmatians live in the volga steppe quiet long, so they are devided from Pashtunlands for a long time to have direct similarities.
That is at least what i see, but my opinon is nothing.
The sound of Ossetic and Pashto is quiet different, so perhaps they even can be similar, but differ due to pronounciation.
Hopefully our Pamirian member is well informed.

[یاسمینه]

According to the recent findings of linguists, existing classification of languages will soon be obsolete. Biosociolinguistic, taking into account three factors - language, culture and genes will probably create new classifications.

[Tjanaparh]

But languages aren't based on genes at all.
Linguistic division is based mostly only on language and culture.

[یاسمینه]

But languages aren't based on genes at all.
Linguistic division is based mostly only on language and culture.

But genetics can verify what we know about languages. Genetics help to determine how communities mixed among themselves and what were the routes of their migrations.
I think L. L. Cavalli-Sforza was one of the first scientists who started such studies. Some abstracts should be available on pubmed.

I would also recommend the book of Steve Olson: Mapping human history. Discovering the past through our genes.

If you are interested in biosociolinguistic I could send you bibliography in next week.

[یاسمینه]

@Arevapasht - I uploaded something for you: http://www.pashtunforums.com/english...-sforza-22582/

[Admin Khan]

By the way, I have many friends Ossetian - and if you want i can invite them too

Welcome.

Please invite them. I would love to interact with them.

[Pamiri Khukhnun]

1 - iw
2 - duen
3 - aray
4 - cavar
5 - pindz
6 - khogh
7 - uvd
8 - wakht
9 - noy
10 - dis (this)
1 - jau
2 - dwa
3 - dre
4 - calor
5 - pinze
6 - shpag
7 - owe
8 - ate
9 - neh
10 - las

[Toramana]

Pamiri Khuknum, welcome most---Wakhi language is closer to Pashto---bot are North East Iranian Languages ----Pashto is sometimes classified South Eastern Iranian by linguolist but most linguists have classified it as north eastern Iranian. Other Pamiri languages like Sangalchi, Yaghnobi, Shughni, etc. are also grouped as east Iranian.

[Toramana]

The Eastern Iranian languages are a subgroup of the Iranian languages emerging in Middle Iranian times (from ca. the 4th century BC). The Avestan language is often classified as early Eastern Iranian. The largest living Eastern Iranian language is Pashto with some 40 million speakers, a major language of Afghanistan and Pakistan west of the River Indus. As opposed to the Middle Western Iranian dialects, the Middle Eastern Iranian preserves word-final syllables.
The living Eastern Iranian languages are spoken in a contiguous area, in Afghanistan as well as the adjacent parts of western Pakistan, Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Province of eastern Tajikistan, and the far west of Xinjiang region of China, while it also has two other living members in widely separated areas, the Yaghnobi language of northwestern Tajikistan (descended from Sogdian) and the Ossetic language of the Caucasus (descended from Scytho-Sarmatian). These are remnants of a vast ethno-linguistic continuum that stretched over most of Central Asia in the 1st millennium BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages

[Toramana]

The southern group includes Pashto, Pamir languages, and Ormuri-Parachi.[1] Pashto is spoken in eastern, southern and few other parts of Afghanistan, and western Pakistan. Pamir languages are spoken in the Pamir Mountains. Ormuri is spoken in Kaniguram in South Waziristan area of Pakistan, but there may be still some speakers in Baraki Barak in Logar province of Afghanistan. Parachi is spoken in the upper part of Nijrab, north of Kabul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages

[Pamiri Khukhnun]

thanks, to all ! i will try to answer to all your question from the beginning ....