Original pashto dialect?

[Darweshkhel]

Luffy is right and this article also agrees with him.

http://www.ameriforce.net/PDF/dg2010...20language.pdf

Well in fact, this article is very wrong. It says for example 'Most Afghani nationals in the southern and eastern regions of the country
speak a dialect known as Pashto..' Actually, Pashto is an independent language, not some local dialect. By reading the first three sentences of this article I can expose the authors little knowledge about Pashto/AFG. He claims Kandahar Pashto to be the 'purest' but in fact,
By the way, I doubt that the author could explain why Kandahar is the 'cultural heart of Pashtuns', cause this is what he claims.

Oh yeah and most Pashto dictionaries use Kandahar dialect not because it is THE PUREST but simply because for Dari speakers, it is easier to learn since the vocabulary is heavy influenced by Dari. Dari speakers would have large difficulties learning tribal Pashto because each village has its own Pashto. I also want to remind you that the first Pashto institutes and clubs were launched in Kandahar.
And by the way they teach the KH and G in afghan schools, which is spoken around Kabul and Jalalabad.
Peace

[graveyardofempires]

Well in fact, this article is very wrong. It says for example 'Most Afghani nationals in the southern and eastern regions of the country
speak a dialect known as Pashto..' Actually, Pashto is an independent language, not some local dialect. By reading the first three sentences of this article I can expose the authors little knowledge about Pashto/AFG. He claims Kandahar Pashto to be the 'purest' but in fact,
By the way, I doubt that the author could explain why Kandahar is the 'cultural heart of Pashtuns', cause this is what he claims.

Oh yeah and most Pashto dictionaries use Kandahar dialect not because it is THE PUREST but simply because for Dari speakers, it is easier to learn since the vocabulary is heavy influenced by Dari. Dari speakers would have large difficulties learning tribal Pashto because each village has its own Pashto. I also want to remind you that the first Pashto institutes and clubs were launched in Kandahar.
And by the way they teach the KH and G in afghan schools, which is spoken around Kabul and Jalalabad.
Peace

first of all i think this thread is made for sole purpose to get us pashtuns fighting eacother in name of SH and KH

and secondly we dont need some foreign investigators to tell us about our country history or language.so these sources are totally false and politicised.
we will do our own investigation when the time is right.INSHALLAH

[graveyardofempires]

Such threads always cause division...

We should respect all accents of Pashto

thats what this mr Puffy paki wants

[Michin Khel]

It is very silly to say that sheen dialect is persianized form of pashto. Marwats or khattaks, the sheen-dialect speakers, live near river indus...the farthest possible location from tajiks or iranians among pashtuns, from where we have got persianized?

[kakargirl]

luffy your absolutly right.

[Khan_Saib]

mung ka munge vee ka muzh....sha pashto da daa zamuzh

[Nokia_Apridy]

Da Sok Baladal Ghwareyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Admina YA TOPIC close kardu acha rahga .....

Ao ya Mod ta topic close ka ........

awo ka ghwaray chay Bail shu nu hem staso khwakha......

[طالب]

Such threads always cause division...

We should respect all accents of Pashto

Well it certainly doesn't help that the OP starts out the thread by stating that people who speak the Yusufzai dialect use "corrupted" Pashto.

Such sectarian bull**** is the groundwork for division. Apparently stepping on people of other ethnicities isn't enough, now we need to step on Pashtuns who speak a different dialect of the language. What's next?

[Ghorzang]

Southern dialect is neither the standard nor the original Pashto. Standard Pashto, at least in Afghanistan, is the one spoken in Kabul and it's surrounding provinces (Logar, Laghman, part of Nangarhar etc) - it is also the dialect used at the national level TV and Radio channels.

If southern dialect actually was the original and standard dialect, Pashto would be written with a ش instead of a ښ. Or, why do we have ږ when we can use ژ instead.

مونږ / موژ
پښتو / پشتو

I could be wrong, since I am not an expert. But using that logic, Southern dialect is not the standard one. Neither is the Northern (aka Pekhawari) which uses خ. We don't write پختو ? And, it is neither خه nor شه. It is written as ښه.

[Admin Khan]

Ghurzang,
Anyone who has studied Pashto in Afghanistan, is aware of the following:

Standard Pashto in Afghanistan is based on the Kandahar dialect, whereas Standard Pashto (Eastern Pashto, spoken by 9 million people) in Pakistan is based on the Peshawar dialect.

Learn Pashto - Grammar and Vocabulary

The Central and Southern dialects are more divergent. The Kandahari dialect is reflected in the spelling system, and is considered by some to be the "standard" for that reason.

observing that 'the Kandahar dialect... is the only dialect which has a phonemic system corresponding to the prevailing orthography', makes the following inference. 'The correlation between the Kandahar phonemic pattern and the graphic pattern of the special Pashto symbols of the Arabic alphabet is so close that we must assume that these symbols were created in the area of the Kandahar dialect.

A Standard Pashto :: Khyber.ORG


I think this thread is incredibly stupid, but if your interested in learning more about it. Read this article from our sister site.
A Standard Pashto :: Khyber.ORG

There are many, many sources that sort of show the claim that Kandahari Pashto is the standard. Part of it has to do with the fact that Kandahar is the most populous Pashtun dominated province that actually speaks and writes in Pashto in Afghanistan. Even though Kabul province is Pashtun majority, we all know they are famous for speaking Dari, for the most part[except for the rural areas].

You might get a better understanding of Kandahari Pashto. Most of the Afghan media, books, and past literature is based on Kandahari Pashto simply because it was once a powerhouse for Pashto literature and scholars.

These kind of threads are doing nothing but causing division. All dialects of Pashto are beautiful, and we love them all. At the end of the day, they are all Pashto.

[Shapur]

For Elite Pakhtun

We have seen that the Kandahar dialect has preserved all the consonant phonemes expressed in the standard alphabet, but that while also preserving the full range of vowel phonemes it has put them to use in novel ways. The other dialects, particularly of the north-east, have abandoned a number of consonant phonemes but have generally confirmed the vowels in their morphological positions. It is an obvious inference that an older stage of Pashto, still current in the seventeenth century if the orthographic evidence is trustworthy, combined a 'south-western' consonant system with a 'north-eastern' vowel phoneme system.

It is this conceptual phonemic system, therefore, which is reflected in the verse of the classical period of Khushal Khan and Rahman Baba.

Penzl, [8] observing that 'the Kandahar dialect... is the only dialect which has a phonemic system corresponding to the prevailing orthography', makes the following inference. 'The correlation between the Kandahar phonemic pattern and the graphic pattern of the special Pashto symbols of the Arabic alphabet is so close that we must assume that these symbols were created in the area of the Kandahar dialect.

A Standard Pashto :: Khyber.ORG

[Elite Pakhtun]

The lingual and historical origin of Pashto language could be traced back to Pakth and Bakht nations as referred to in Rigveda and Osta respectively. Herodotus, a Greek historian, talked about the Pakth nation in 520 B.C. which was residing by that time at the coast of the Indus River (Nath 2002 and Caroe 1958). Most of the contemporary historians had taken inference from these arguments that the terms Pakth and Bakht later on changed into Pakht, Bakht, or Pasht and their language was termed as Pakto and Bakhto. Today, philologists and historians have agreed to term it Pakhto / Pashto

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjL_LK_qZ_RAhWq6YMKHb51DqYQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpu.edu.pk%2Fimages%2Fjournal%2Fenglish%2FPDF%2F9.%2520Origins%2520of%2520Pashto_v_LII_jan_2016.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEk5rn2qLGKGHv74k1B52EWJPYbZQ

[Samandri]

There is no "sh" sound in ancient Greek and one word for distant regions and people has been pronounced differently by different Greek historians. So we are not sure whether Herodotus's Pactyan was exact the same word as original or not. Moreover Herodotus mentions two nations by name of Pactyan, one inhabiting Armenia, other adjoining upon India.

As far as "Pakhtas" (as well as related Bhalanases, Vishanins, Alinas, and Sivas) are concerned , they are mentioned in Riveda which was written in 1500 B.C and is mythological and legendary stuff.

The Arachosia of Pactyans corresponds to greater Kandahar and Sulieman mountains , and all of these areas are soft dialect speakers. Its very noticeable that hard dialect of Pashto is spoken only in those areas which have been colonized by Pashtuns relatively recently. Kabul, Nangarhar, Kunar, Laghman, Bajaur, Mohamnd and upper KPK were colonized by existing Pashtun tribes in 15th and 16th century, and all of these tribes had migrated from Loy Kandahar and Tarnak region where soft dialect of Pashto is spoken. Even Afridis are not ancient inhabitants of Khyber agency, they settled there in Pir Roshan times, while Shinwaris migrated from Sulimena mountains and is actually a branch of Kasi tribe (who lives in Quetta)...the Safis of upper FATA and North-eastern Afghanistan is a branch of Panni tribe of Balochistan.

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[Samandri]

References from local Pashtun linguists and scholars on this matter will be interesting read.........i will check some Pashto books and see whether this topic has been discussed or not

[Charsi Malang]

There is no "sh" sound in ancient Greek and one word for distant regions and people has been pronounced differently by different Greek historians. So we are not sure whether Herodotus's Pactyan was exact the same word as original or not. Moreover Herodotus mentions two nations by name of Pactyan, one inhabiting Armenia, other adjoining upon India.

As far as "Pakhtas" (as well as related Bhalanases, Vishanins, Alinas, and Sivas) are concerned , they are mentioned in Riveda which was written in 1500 B.C and is mythological and legendary stuff.

The Arachosia of Pactyans corresponds to greater Kandahar and Sulieman mountains , and all of these areas are soft dialect speakers. Its very noticeable that hard dialect of Pashto is spoken only in those areas which have been colonized by Pashtuns relatively recently. Kabul, Nangarhar, Kunar, Laghman, Bajaur, Mohamnd and upper KPK were colonized by existing Pashtun tribes in 15th and 16th century, and all of these tribes had migrated from Loy Kandahar and Tarnak region where soft dialect of Pashto is spoken. Even Afridis are not ancient inhabitants of Khyber agency, they settled there in Pir Roshan times, while Shinwaris migrated from Sulimena mountains and is actually a branch of Kasi tribe (who lives in Quetta)...the Safis of upper FATA and North-eastern Afghanistan is a branch of Panni tribe of Balochistan.

And



The World's Major Languages - Google Books

Brother are you sure Afridis aren't the original inhabitants of Khyber agency? What are your views about "Aparutai" that have been mentioned by Herodotus?