Original pashto dialect?

[Michin Khel]

My observation says that kandahari pashto is original while kheen dialect is derived from it. I will support my theory with just two examples.
For watchman word 'chokidaar' is used in urdu (i think it must be a farsi word). We also use chokidaar, obviously it is foriegn word. But i have noted that those with kheen dialect corrupt it to 'sokidaar'.
Similarly we use 'hoshiar' for intelligent which is a farsi word but those with kheen dialect corrupt the original word to 'hokhiar'.
As we know yousafzis have migrated from kandahar, so in new place of living they seem to have undergone modification in their langauge .

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Luffy as far as Sokidaar is concerned Urdudaan/farsiwan use it as Chokidar because they use Chokee for "Check point" while we Yousafzai's call it Sokai......also used as a verb like "Maa Sokai kawala che sok una' takhtee" .....so that is why we use Sokidaar instead Chowkidaar.........

[tor_khan]

As we know yousafzis have migrated from kandahar.

Brotherhood sealed.

[Master Khan]

When I first heard their pashto I though they were speaking half Dari and Half Pashto lol

[Wrayun]

I disagree.

Because chokidaar, and hoshiar, are similar sounding in Urdu/Farsi as it they are in the SH dialect, I can argue that the SH dialect is heavily influenced by Persian/Parsi language. Urdu itself is half Persian/Parsi, ask Feroz Banu. Kandahar, only became a Pukhtoon domain after Mirwais Hotak revolt. Before that it was a domain of many people, particularly the Persians where Farsi/Parsi was prevalent. Even after the establishment of the first Pukhtoon/Afghan state under Mirwais Hotak, the court language was Persian.

To support that KH dialect is original, I will give examples from Pukhto itself. There are words that can not be substituted by the SH dialect for example Khula, Khiran, Khanda, Khwara, Khwa, Khudai, Makh etc. I think the KH dialect is older than the SH dialect, as ancient Avestan and Persian were KH dialects. The softer dialects are modern.

Another thing I noticed that comes from Persian influence is the "O" pronunciation. Kabal is Kabol, Afghan is AOghan, or Afghon, jaan (older) is jon etc.

[Michin Khel]

Not every word has to be substituted. Wrayun ur logic is flawed.
I can also say that there are words which are not substituted by kheen dialect e.g shaitan, shonday, raisha, shay, tash, shoda etc

[graveyardofempires]

Luffy as far as Sokidaar is concerned Urdudaan/farsiwan use it as Chokidar because they use Chokee for "Check point" while we Yousafzai's call it Sokai......also used as a verb like "Maa Sokai kawala che sok una' takhtee" .....so that is why we use Sokidaar instead Chowkidaar.........

chaokidaar means someone who is on guard in other words some one who is sitting on a chair and holding guard.or someone who is protecting the chair.
my guess
and its also called gazma

[graveyardofempires]

Your logic is very flawed Wrayun, I hate to say that but you are being biased. Many scholars and many people who have researched this matter have claimed that sheen is more original. In fact, in Afghanistan the standard of Pashto is the sheen dialect. It is what is taught in schools and universities. By your logic, I can give you examples that can't be substituted by KH.

Shundawar = big lips
shorokawal = starting
shara = bad threat

i disagree

im from the kunar and must say kandahari pashto has many words from dari
and eastern dialect which is used in kunar,laghman,jalalabad,peshawer,bajaur is the written language.

and this dialect is also spoken in northern cities of kunduz etc as well.

in kandahri dialect they say seeban and darakhtan which totally not pashto.

the written pashto is mostly the eastern afghanistan dialect and down to pukhtunkhwa.as we can see on the afghan and pukhtunkhwa tv channels,

[Wrayun]

Your logic is very flawed Wrayun, I hate to say that but you are being biased. Many scholars and many people who have researched this matter have claimed that sheen is more original. In fact, in Afghanistan the standard of Pashto is the sheen dialect. It is what is taught in schools and universities. By your logic, I can give you examples that can't be substituted by KH.

Shundawar = big lips
shorokawal = starting
shara = bad threat

Shuru is Urdu/Farsi, Shaitan is Arabic, Shakal is Arabic, Shay is Arabic.
Don't know about Shara, but yeah Shunday/Shundawar are Pukhto. Though I can present many words with KH vs. SH that are unique to Pukhto alone.

Sheen can't be original, because both the written script, and the traditions behind it are heavily influenced by Arabic and Parsi. The fact that this is the dialect thought doesn't make it original. We have to also see where the history of the teaching institutions come from, and the material they utilized.

On the other hand there is much evidence that KH, K dialect is much older since many people who wrote about earliest Pukhtoons didn't do so in the region of Kandahar but in the area which is Paktia, Paktika, and the surrounding areas. They were historically referred to as Paktues, Pakhta, and Pactyan.

I'm not being biased, the bias usually comes from the predominate and prevalent ideas amongst the masses for example Kandahar is the birth place of Pukhtoons, or Kandahar is the birth place of Pukhto. Kandahar is the capital of Pukhtoons and holds a very special place amongst Pukhtoons but it is not the birth place of Pukhtoons or Pukhto. That needs more research.

[Mayana]

i disagree

im from the kunar and must say kandahari pashto has many words from dari
and eastern dialect which is used in kunar,laghman,jalalabad,peshawer,bajaur is the written language.

and this dialect is also spoken in northern cities of kunduz etc as well.

in kandahri dialect they say seeban and darakhtan which totally not pashto.

the written pashto is mostly the eastern afghanistan dialect and down to pukhtunkhwa.as we can see on the afghan and pukhtunkhwa tv channels,

That is colloquial Kandahari dialect. Any form of colloquial Pashto will have "impurities". In Kandahar, they happen to be from Dari, in other places they are from Urdu or English.
In formal Kandahari Pashto, in offices, papers, schools etc. only Pashto words are used and every letter in the Pashto alphabet is pronounced distinctly.

[graveyardofempires]

You are wrong. Every city in the world has an informal. In the east coast they use nigga,son but does that mean that is there formal way of speaking? Ask anyone in Kunar(who went to school) what is the STANDARD DIALECT of Pashto in Afghanistan, the dialect used for nearly everything in regards to Pashto and they will say the Kandahari dialect. It has the largest Pashto speaking population in 1 province In Afghanistan. I am in Afghanistan almost every year so I would certainly know.

we in the east have our own words and dont take from other languages atleast nto that often and whats with that eastcoast and nigga etc lol.
and if you say there are some urdu words,than its not true.
because urdu has pashto words in it not the other way around.
so when you hear gari /it comes from garay which means wheel in pashto.

actually written pashto can be used for both sh kh ,its just the way you pronounce the alfalbet.

[graveyardofempires]

Esapzai, that is a silly and ridiculous claim. You have never visited the south, and where is the influence of Dari? If anything, you should be thanking the south because most of the southerners aren't even Pashtun, they are either Tajik or Arab who have been Pashtunized, ask Khidr. Unlike Pashtunkhwa, who are on the verge of leaving Pakhto due to the speedy transformation of Desification. In the south, it's the complete south.

To sort of you give you a picture of your ridiculous this is like me saying the KH sound in Yusufzai and other local Pashtunkhwa dialects come from Urdu and Punjabi. After all, I can give you a ton of examples on how Urdu is polluted in your Pashto.

Lets not stoop to 1 line generalizations. It's a debate and I am enjoying it. Don't ruin it with the same non factual claims. Visit the South first. You don't see anyone in this thread talking about how the majority of the people in Pashtunkhwa can't read or write in Pashto because they were never taught it.

i know you that wasnt for me but couldnt resisgt to reply.

you again claim pukhtunkhwa dialects come from urdu or punjabi ,that is rediculous,since urdu is created from pashto dari and other languages.

[graveyardofempires]

Graveyard, I never made that claim. I said NO ONE HERE is saying that URDU has influenced Pashto or that Punjabi has. There is a difference between 3rd person speaking and a claim.

its nto graveyard but graveyardofempires

[graveyardofempires]

or you can say GYE

[gadoonwal]

Most pashtuns speak nangarhari or pehsawar valley pashto.
I like kandahari pashto.It was our ancestors dailects.Pokhto ka da hari seemi vey pa mung grana dha,i love all dailects.da zmong da jabi khaist dey.