Islam is just a religion like any other religion

[MazloomYarMasud]

It is everyones right to defend themselves, but unfortunately Mazlom doesn't seem to get it. He speaks of peace and harmony while he hates on tajiks and punjabis. He wants to arm himself and go on a killing spree.

A truly corrupt soul. Indeed.

I wish to arm all Pashtuns and go on a revolution.

This is what you dont get my friend.

Punjabis are using Relgion to occupy us and Tajiks are using Religion to keep us.

Once we get over this Relgionous Talk then we can break the chains of Slavery.

How Am i a corrupted soul? I have done my fair share for my people unlike some you sit in the west and yap their mouth about jahils blah blah blah!

You guys dont understand that if you want Pashtun Unity it can not be acheived at present because the Muslim Ummah will be divided. Pakistan is a officially reconised Muslim state and its Haram to divide Pashtun Muslims away from Punjabi Muslims. Its Haram! people such as me according to Lunatic Muslims ISI are deemed dividers and enemies of the Muslim State

So if you are even brave enough to stand up to them and tell them face to face that I am not slave of some MUllah or some Arab khalifate MUslim Ummah and I demand a Pashtun state then maybe god will shower you with angels and flowers for being confident and a real man.

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

He doesnt really the core of science means OBSERVATION. He calls that a faith. LOL

Islam is a faith which promotes humans to observe the sky, observe the creation and so on. This is science aspect which Islam promotes to understand how Allah has created everything.

Islam promotes division amongsts humanity just like other faiths.

Muslims will only go the Heaven and kaffirs will burn in hell.

same with christians and jews

its all a gang

and a way to control the masses

[JAMALUDEEN]

I wish to arm all Pashtuns and go on a revolution.

This is what you dont get my friend.

Punjabis are using Relgion to occupy us and Tajiks are using Religion to keep us.

Once we get over this Relgionous Talk then we can break the chains of Slavery.

How Am i a corrupted soul? I have done my fair share for my people unlike some you sit in the west and yap their mouth about jahils blah blah blah!

You guys dont understand that if you want Pashtun Unity it can not be acheived at present because the Muslim Ummah will be divided. Pakistan is a officially reconised Muslim state and its Haram to divide Pashtun Muslims away from Punjabi Muslims. Its Haram! people such as me according to Lunatic Muslims ISI are deemed dividers and enemies of the Muslim State

So if you are even brave enough to stand up to them and tell them face to face that I am not slave of some MUllah or some Arab khalifate MUslim Ummah and I demand a Pashtun state then maybe god will shower you with angels and flowers for being confident and a real man.

Kind Regards

So according to you Pakistanis are all ISI agents, working to enslave Pashtuns.

I have already explained to you that, i have never backed up the Pakistani Government or preferred their methods. It is every human beings right to defend themselves from them, but that doesn't mean, i hate their citizens (Punjabis) or go on a revolution to erase them. They are all human beings, just like us. You have got a lot of hatred in your heart man, i would hate to be you. You sound like Hitler sometimes...ethnic cleansing, You dig?

I have had arguments with Punjabis and Tajiks on many occasions, but besides those arguments most of them turned out to be very good guys and are friends with me. One of my best mate is an Ahmadi, and besides the difference of faith and beliefs, i still respect him as a human being. The bad are in the minority, just like you are the minority in here.

Your claims are absurd and confusing. On one side, you speak of peace and harmony, while in the mean time, you wish to arm all Pashtuns and go on a revolution which is not so peaceful. Then instead of uniting Pashtuns, you are dividing us more by referring to people who do not agree with you as "YOU GUYS". I am not with the ISI, LOL neither are you, but so far what have you done against the Pakistani Government.

Please share with us your achievements, that has made a difference.

Anyways, whatever your agenda. I wish you best of luck in it and not all Pashtuns have a weak imaan like you.


P.S. this cliche is getting old.

"I have done my fair share for my people unlike some you sit in the west and yap their mouth about jahils blah blah blah!"

[Saifullah]

Islam promotes division amongsts humanity just like other faiths.

Muslims will only go the Heaven and kaffirs will burn in hell.

same with christians and jews

its all a gang

and a way to control the masses

How does Islam promote division, every human is born a muslim and it is their parents who turn them away from Islam. It is shaytan who divides humans and Islam is deen e fitrat. All shaytan will say i only whispered to the humans i never made them do anything.

[Saifullah]

I wish to arm all Pashtuns and go on a revolution.

This is what you dont get my friend.

Punjabis are using Relgion to occupy us and Tajiks are using Religion to keep us.

Once we get over this Relgionous Talk then we can break the chains of Slavery.

How Am i a corrupted soul? I have done my fair share for my people unlike some you sit in the west and yap their mouth about jahils blah blah blah!

You guys dont understand that if you want Pashtun Unity it can not be acheived at present because the Muslim Ummah will be divided. Pakistan is a officially reconised Muslim state and its Haram to divide Pashtun Muslims away from Punjabi Muslims. Its Haram! people such as me according to Lunatic Muslims ISI are deemed dividers and enemies of the Muslim State

So if you are even brave enough to stand up to them and tell them face to face that I am not slave of some MUllah or some Arab khalifate MUslim Ummah and I demand a Pashtun state then maybe god will shower you with angels and flowers for being confident and a real man.

Kind Regards

Pashtuns are not in a strong state to demand their own territory. They cant even develop their own villages without foreign help. They cannot stand on their own two feet and you wanna discuss having a separate state. We think way far ahead of ourselves. We should take things one step at a time. Firstly amongst ourselves we need to stop fighting and to remove our jahil practices from our society. Then slowly and slowly we can become better

[MazloomYarMasud]

So according to you Pakistanis are all ISI agents, working to enslave Pashtuns.

I have already explained to you that, i have never backed up the Pakistani Government or preferred their methods. It is every human beings right to defend themselves from them, but that doesn't mean, i hate their citizens (Punjabis) or go on a revolution to erase them. They are all human beings, just like us. You have got a lot of hatred in your heart man, i would hate to be you. You sound like Hitler sometimes...ethnic cleansing, You dig?

I have had arguments with Punjabis and Tajiks on many occasions, but besides those arguments most of them turned out to be very good guys and are friends with me. One of my best mate is an Ahmadi, and besides the difference of faith and beliefs, i still respect him as a human being. The bad are in the minority, just like you are the minority in here.

Your claims are absurd and confusing. On one side, you speak of peace and harmony, while in the mean time, you wish to arm all Pashtuns and go on a revolution which is not so peaceful. Then instead of uniting Pashtuns, you are dividing us more by referring to people who do not agree with you as "YOU GUYS". I am not with the ISI, LOL neither are you, but so far what have you done against the Pakistani Government.

Please share with us your achievements, that has made a difference.

Anyways, whatever your agenda. I wish you best of luck in it and not all Pashtuns have a weak imaan like you.


P.S. this cliche is getting old.

"I have done my fair share for my people unlike some you sit in the west and yap their mouth about jahils blah blah blah!"

I spent weeks helping IDPS in DI Khan.

I spent 3 years on youtube promoting Pashtun unity

I went to Makeen South Waziristan during Army operation just to atleast get three interviews of tribesmen.

I was pulled over four times and i had my one camera smashed by pakistan army in gomal.

I saved up over 1000 pound and gave it in cash to hungary homeless pashtuns who were burning in the heat living in tents.

So I did all this without a strong imaan.

Its people Such as Jamaludeen who pushes the whole Muslim Unity crap to push pashtuns forward to occupation by Afghan Tajiks and Punjabi Paakistanis.

If time of war came when pashtuns are united and facing a common enemy, you will be the guy waving the quran in your hand preaching that we must not fight and that allah will curse us if we fight a fellow muslims.

Whats so cliche about what Jamaludeen?

Pashtuns have been fighting for Islam for decades and its only benefitted outsiders as Pashtuns are taught that they are the defenders of the gate of Islam.

Afghanistan is in its state today because they sold out to Farsiwans and choose to adapt Farsi as ther mother tongue.

Pakistan and Afghanistan is no good for Pashtuns any more.

There should be a soley pashtun state, no more unity with enemys and no more islamic talk of uniting with any enemy.

Kind Regards

p.s. Its good you have tajik and punjabi friends maybe they will help you in your cause for Pashtun unity but please do not drag pashtuns into the realms of fantasies of a society where pashtuns will be treated equally and we can all sit down and have dhaal and kobeda kebabs and be free.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Dear brother,

Does the argument become invalid just because they are old? I think not! In fact your argument is as old: show me God. That is what you are looking for.

What you fail to realize is that man doe not change or alter nature at will. Man cannot change nature. Man studies how nature works and adapts to it. If you say that nature came to being all on its own, then I am pretty sure that you would call that person an idiot who claims that the Mona Lisa was painted all by itself.

The point of the matter is that you are pretty elementary with the argument that God has not proven Himself. Of course He has. You just don't want to accept it or fail to see it. (pun intended)

The fact that human beings base all of the systems on what nature has already furnished is a clearly-cut answer that there is more than meets the eye.

You are no different that than person who wants people to just believe in God because he says so, without logical reasoning. Your argument is parallel to that. You want to see Him face to face, yet in everything else you do, you bring out logical reasoning.

See the contradiction?

It's logical to believe in something you can see for yourself. I see neither a contradiction nor any parallel. For someone to make the claim that he/she/it is the creator of the universe, every word from that entity and its emissaries must be scrutinized to the fullest extent because someone making that claim must be as close to perfect as possible. Up till today, no one has passed that test.

Man can change nature. Artificial selection. Dog breeding. Great Dane vs Chihuahua. We engineered both of them from this. Now are you gonna take away the credit of man's own hard work and ingeunity by saying that this was already in nature so god should be accredited with it?

I give you a boulder, you make a naked male sculpture with a small penis out of it and I say that the sculpture already existed inside the rock and no credit should go to you but it should go to God because He created the rock in the first place. Come to think of it, rocks came into being as the earth cooled but of course, you'll accredit your own personal deity with that as well.

Lastly, please do show us where god has proven himself. It will save me a lot of trouble and an afterlife of playing poker with Hitler, Stalin and Mother Teresa. I suck at poker - I can't bluff, I can't keep my chips and I don't know when to fold. "All in" is my best strategy. And it fails.

[آريا]

It's logical to believe in something you can see for yourself. I see neither a contradiction nor any parallel.

To claim Allah who is defined in the islamic way doesn't exist is wrong, because there is no way one can disprove.

For someone to make the claim that he/she/it is the creator of the universe, every word from that entity and its emissaries must be scrutinized to the fullest extent because someone making that claim must be as close to perfect as possible. Up till today, no one has passed that test.

Does Allah not pass that test??

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

To claim Allah who is defined in the islamic way doesn't exist is wrong, because there is no way one can disprove.

Hence the onus (burden of proof) comes upon the claimer and not the denier.

Does Allah not pass that test??

If either Allah, Yahweh, Jesus, Odin, Brahma or the Juju spirit had clearly passed the test, the whole world, or at least the most knowledgeable people, would follow the winner.

[آريا]

Hence the onus (burden of proof) comes upon the claimer and not the denier.

Those who claim Allah doesn't exist are the claimers actually - the burden of proof is on them from my viewpoint.

If either Allah, Yahweh, Jesus, Odin, Brahma or the Juju spirit had clearly passed the test, the whole world, or at least the most knowledgeable people, would follow the winner.

Wrora do you expect the whole world to believe in Allah? The whole world is not good and some of it is evil.

[Saifullah]

I dont understand this fascination with trying to go extremely deep into matters. It is like the story of the Jews in surah al bakarah. Allah told them to slaughter the cow, if i am correct. Jews kept asking what colour is, what type is it and kept on questioning. Making things complicated for themselves

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

It's possible that I find the concept of monotheism of Islam more reasonable, or that I prefer some other aspects or teachings of Islam to those of other religions. But that STILL doesn't make Islam better than other religions to me. It remains of equal importance and respect as all other religions.

Let me bring you down memory lane. Just one example, if you wish we can go through many more threads.

According to you:

atheism=monotheism=polytheism.

[Alchemist]

Dear Osho,

Your definitions are curtailed to your own biases and thus your argument is self contained and double looped in itself. You have taken your preposition as your conclusion and your conclusion as your preposition.

You stated that because you have not found anyone who can convince you that Islam has influence over all other spheres of life then it means that it is not such. Then you define religion as ascribing to three facets, belief, faith and morality. However this can be true of even a philosophy like Enlightenment. Hence your definition of religion is flawed since the premises are too broad and universal. For your information: Religion, in truth, has 4 aspects - worship in the form of communal ritual, engages the people politically 5 times a day. Psychopaths do not want to bow down 5 times a day and stand shoulder to shoulder with others. In this respect, religion defines society as a whole, this is not true for only Muslims but also Jews and Christains.

What people like you fail to understand is the concept of monotheism. Belief in One God, means that everything you said is bogus, since ultimately there is ONE Judge whose opinion makes the difference in all the universes! This means that a muslim, or for that matter any religious person, has to come to grips with his own faults as a human being and humble himself before his own thoughts and actions. The aim and purpose of Morality, Worship and Belief is Taqwa, Consciousness of God. This means that the hudood, the boundaries set by Allah will apply to human behaviour in all times and places! More importantly, Muslims, Christains and Jews all believe that their lives are predetermined by Allah, in Al-Lawhil-Mahfooz (The Mother of all Books). This means that each believer introspects and reflects on their experiences and their purposes in light of what Allah wills! This does not only apply to individuals, but to entire societies who believe their destiny is in the Hands of Allah! The progeny of Muhammed, sallahahualihiwasalam, were politically engaged. Imam Jaffar, the great great great grandchild of the Prophet peace be upon him had founded a school that taught secular knowledge of the sciences, such as botany, chemistry and physics etc. Islam is a complete way of life, as it was exemplified by the complete man who was chosen by Allah to deliver it.
Perhaps what you are expecting is a manual for every form of action and possibility in your existence. One of the sifat, attribute, of Allah is that He is the Originator ( AL Mubdee), nothing He creates is ever replicated, each creation is unique...as you are born none like you was or will be born who is EXACTLY the same...because situations always change! Thus, what Islam offers are principles necessary for living a proper life. Keeping in mind that the goals of Islam are never worldly! Muslims are encouraged to give zakat so that their hearts become cleaned of greed. Islam gives you the necessary habits to ward off the vices and evils that such institutions created for worldly life bring about...the appetite for lust, greed, gluttony, envy, jealousy, pride and vanity ..all of which are destroying so called "democratic" societies.

As a side note, eveything else you said about Islam was based on cliches and orientalist stereotypes. Because Muslims has to keep exact time of their prayers, they had to make exact measurement devices for measuring the movement of the sun, and to that they had to measure the movement of the stars...brilliant Muslim scholars calculated the exact length of the year and the correct helical arrangement of the solar system ..and some even allege that Copernicus had found his ideas from the Arabs. The Quran encourages the believers to gaze upon the geology of the land, look at the stars and the differences between the creatures, that crawl, walk and wiggle on their bellies so that they see His Signs. Some of the greatest physicians, mathematicians and philosophers were likewise well known for their piety in Islam...indeed Islam encourages the believers to remember Allah all the time and turn to him in all affairs...therefore asking a Muslim to compartmentalize his life away from Allah is to ask him to leave his religion all together. You atheists and agnostistics and what not don't seem to understand this simple religion and choose to make your own lives difficult. For us the way is clear as day light. What we can discern from the Quran is not the same as what you do. All you manage to do is expose your own folly and pride by writing condescendingly about a Religion that is followed by 1 in 5 people on the planet!
If any of you grasp theology and have reservations founded on concrete rationals that can be worded simply, then I'd be happy to reveal more about this religion. However, my guess is that you are apathetic towards religion, and that your opinions are born of intellectual laziness, and not a part of the inquisitive nature of your genius. Osho, seeing people actually thanked you for writing such baseless mind numbing nonsense only goes to give weight to my suspicion towards murtads.

[Catya Sher]

"... my guess is that you are apathetic towards religion, and that your opinions are born of intellectual laziness, and not a part of the inquisitive nature of your genius. Osho, seeing people actually thanked you for writing such baseless mind numbing nonsense only goes to give weight to my suspicion..."

The entire statement was excellent, but this last segment really hit home.
I hope and pray these people will read Alchemist's powerful words
and do the necessary reflection to return to belief.

[graveyardofempires]

Islam is the true religion and Prophet Muhammad pbuh is the final massenger of Allah.
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