Islam is just a religion like any other religion

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Afghanlady, sorry, I did not copy you, promise. We just think alike.

[Roshina]

Since Khan Gul did an excellent job explaining what it means that all religions are equal (and they are), I don't need to go on any further.

Since I've also said EVERYTHING about this, I don't think I need to say anything more; every single question being asked right now has been answered already in my previous posts. I don't like going in circles, especially when I've already explained what it means that all religions are equal. Now it's just a matter of your disagreeing with the idea of many different things being equal to each other IN SPITE of being different. That, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

But again, anyone who still doesn't get it, please refer to Khan Gul Lala's post. It's short and to the point, unlike mine.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Qrratagai sister, if we talk about religion in general then they all teach morality. But to say that you can be a Christian or a Hindu or a Sikh or a Muslim is all fine is WRONG.

Let me illustrate:

In Christianity--->Concept of God: Trinity=Jesus=Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost
In Islam---> Jesus is a Prophet; Allah is God.

Hinduism--->Multiple Gods, of which Jesus is not one of them.
Christianity--->Only Jesus is God.

Islam---There is only One God: Allah

That is why I asked you which God do you believe in.

So, for you to say that it is fine to follow any religion, then you are preaching multiple gods. Also, you are going directly AGAINST the commandment of the Quran to invite people towards the ONE TRUE GOD.

Again, they are not equal.

BTW, Khan Gul, does not agree with you, nor do you agree with him based on your previous posts.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Khan Gul disagreed with you on the same thing me and Momin are here trying to teach you.

We keep posting the same thing without knowing before hand!

[abubaker]

^ I've already explained the word "equal" a couple of times. But here, one more time:

ALL religions are equal.

That means NO religion is better or worse than any other.

I explain that as well, quite in detail.

You don't understand this perspective, but that doesn't make it any less legitimate than the claim that one particular religion is better than all the others.

You also did not tell me HOW it's kufar to say that all religions are equal. Neither did you prove how it's contradictory to be a Muslim and believe (rather, KNOW for a fact) that all religions are equal.

so if Hinduism and Islam are equal ''which they are not'' then why would Allah azawajal send a new set of rules and guidelines for the human beings to follow why send the quran? why not let people follow Hinduism? why send another religion that is not better then the one already practices by people for thousands of years.

[eusuphxai]

I have questions qratugai :

What is purpose of religion (if any)? once you answer this then I will be able to ask you another question, related to this.

[Musafira]

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As for the statement "Islam is a religion just like any other religion." I think that is false because ALL religions are unique.

I think most everyone in the world is raised with the notion that their religion (that usually they are BORN into) is the correct and superior one. If all Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims. etc. would respect others religion and not look down on others for having different beliefs our world would probably be a much better place.

[Palwasha]

That is correct. Who ever says that Pashtuns are better than other races is just being racist and has no ways of backing up her/his claim. But Pukhtuns are a race, just like all other races of the world.

Of course, I absolutely agree. But my statement was trying to make a point that we are a unique race, we are different to other nations, we're not superior or inferior, but we are different.

Now with Islam, we too are unique to the rest of the World. Every religion deserves respect, as our beloved Prophet (PBUH) taught. However, one can't accept Islam and then see other religions to be valid, it's a complete contradiction.

Please dont be the next Shahrukh Khan

LOL! Good ol' SK, ever the joker, keeps the Qur'an next to his Hindu God's.

[Roshina]

I have questions qratugai :

What is purpose of religion (if any)? once you answer this then I will be able to ask you another question, related to this.

There are many purposes of religions, one of which is to better people or (supposedly) to teach people morality. Sadly, not all people can be moral without religion, or so the argument goes. So religion is there for those who need it to keep them sane and "moral" and to give them a reason to keep on living, to do good, to avoid the bad, and so on.

My OWN purposes for believing in religion, however, may not be the same as those of other people's. And they'd require lengthy explanations, which I'm not willing to do right now.

But in general, religions are SUPPOSED to make people good humans -- or, in the case of certain ones, to help them attain heaven.

[Roshina]

you said religions are equal. which is not true, we can respect Hinduism but we can not say its equal. Hinduism and Islam might be similar but not equal. Similarity and equal are 2 different things, since you were supposedly good in math, I am sure you know the difference between something being similar and equal.

Hinduism and Islam are not equal nor are all Religions equal. Many are similar though.

Again, you KEEP saying they're not "equal" but you're under the common misconception that in order to be equal, they must be the same or similar. Again, this is untrue, as explained by my logic of how 2 + 5 = 7 (they're EQUAL but the two sides of the equation ("2+5" and "7") are not the same.

In order to be equal or demand equal respect and appreciation and tolerance, you don't have to be the same or have even similar beliefs.

If a certain religion or religious group of people are endangered, I as a human WILL stand up for them and support them and fight for their right to exist -- just as I'd fight for Islam's and Muslims' right to exist. This make all religions equal (again and again, in value).

BUT if I believed that Islam is SUPERIOR to all other religions, I wouldn't fight for others religions' right to exist or be respected or appreciated or tolerated AS equally as Islam's right to be respected, tolerated, and appreciated, because I'd actually be happy thinking, "YES! My religion wins! This is a chance for my religion to rule the world and be dominant, since it's superior to all others."

Hence, I cannot EVER view ANY religion as better than or worse than any other religion.

Stop assuming and changing the topic. you made a claim defend it.

Changing the topic? I've been perfectly on topic AND I've defended EVERY claim I've made. That claim is, NO religion is better or worse than any other; ALL are equal and hence deserve equal respect from all people.

That is not true. Its false and it contradicts Islam.

Religions are similar not equal. I guess me and Momin have a long way to go to teach you the difference between similarities and equality.

Don't assume you know better or more than someone else. It lowers your value as a person in my opinion, guley.

Yes Hinduism and Islam both teach respect, honesty etc.
but that does not make them equal.

Xsquare is not equal to Xcube.

Again: All religions are equal in value, and none are better or worse than any other; but they do not teach the same things or concepts or beliefs.

[Roshina]

Khan Gul disagreed with you on the same thing me and Momin are here trying to teach you.

Lemme quote Khan Gul here on the parts I absolutely agree with him on and he clearly agrees with me on:

Also, if you mean that all religions in a certain way are equal that they all advocate morality and plays important role in restoring the broken wholeness of souls then I certainly agree with you.
If you think that all religions offer an emotional lightness of approach to all questions of life, a supreme common sense of feeling then I agree with you.
If you think that all religions fill its followers with promise, help them in identifying that organic coherence of the mind and give them direction then I also agree with you.

Those points, EXACTLY what I mean as well.

Then over here:

However, if you think that the belief system of all other religions is equal to the monotheism of Islam, then I disagree with you.

This was where I agreed with him on that, no, all religions do NOT teach the same things, especially the concept of monotheism of Islam. And in pretty much every single post, I've been saying this as well. Religions are not the SAME; but they're equal and deserve equal respect and tolerance and so on.

Re-read Momins post again for Gods sake. Thanks.

I would, if it proved to me how a certain religion deserves MORE respect or tolerance than ANOTHER religion. My argument has been from the very beginning that ALL religions are equal and hence deserve equal respect. If this is untrue, someone needs to show me how. You're both going on about how Islam teaches something different than Hinduism and all other religions or that you can't be a Hindu and a Muslim and a Christian all at the same time. But I never said they teach the same things, so there's no point for you to explain this.

You CAN, though, be a Muslim and stand by your Hindu friend's side when she/he is being attacked for the sole purpose of being a Hindu (a non-Muslim). You'll stand by her side because you'll say that she has every right to practice her religion, just as I -- a Muslim -- have MY right to practice my beliefs. And that no religion is better than any other and have equal right to exist and be supported and fought in defense for.

dont just try to change the topic and run away.

Oh wow. That's very low of you to think -- that someone would "run away" from a certain discussion. I've been on PF and many other forums for the past 5 - 6 years of my life, and I don't run away from anything. That's not Qrratugai-like. You may, however, speak for yourself, since you and Momin are going in circles, and NO one is showing me what makes one religion better than another and speaking from an unbiased perspective. This is what I need someone to prove to me. Religions WILL remain of equal value in my mind UNTIL someone proves me wrong -- that, no, Hinduism is of a lesser value than, say, Christianity or Islam; or that Islam is of more value than all other religions.

If you can't back your claim up that all religions are NOT equal in value, then don't make the claim to begin with.

However, when you REFUSE to understand something (in this case, my argument that ALL religions are equal in value), then it's impossible to hold a discussion with you or anyone like you.

you made a claim, back it up please. If you cant and if you were wrong say so. you being a mod does not mean you cant be wrong guley!

I've made claims, and I've defended each one. It's unlike me to make baseless claims. You asked me to explain what it means to be equal, and I explained. However, YOU put words in my mouth by claiming that I am saying that ALL religions are equal to each other, which I don't believe and never have said. There's a HUGE difference between being equal to something else and equal with something else.

Don't bring the moderator thing into it, lol. I mean, whoa, seriously?

But you have to PROVE me wrong for me to think that I MAY be wrong.

Prove me wrong by proving to me how a certain religion is of more important value *factually* just because, while all others are of lesser value.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Qrratagai khore jana,

why are you a Muslim? If all religions are equal, then why do you make a distinction?

You are not practicing what you are preaching.

[Roshina]

Of course, I absolutely agree. But my statement was trying to make a point that we are a unique race, we are different to other nations, we're not superior or inferior, but we are different.

Now with Islam, we too are unique to the rest of the World. Every religion deserves respect, as our beloved Prophet (PBUH) taught. However, one can't accept Islam and then see other religions to be valid, it's a complete contradiction.

Ahhh, but "valid" is not the same as "equal." You don't have to accept another religion as valid or authentic or true in order to see it as of equal value as all other religions. MOST humans are raised in a way that promotes them to believe that theirs are of more value than all other religions; I, though, don't believe that.

It's not like, okay ALL religions are equal and teach the same things so people go "eenie, meenie, minee mo," and whichever the last word falls on, they go, "Okay! Islam it is!" No, you're either born into a family with a certain religious/belief system or then you grow to learn about it to reject or accept it.

Obviously, if all were the same, it wouldn't matter what you believed. But some teach one thing about God, others teach another thing; some teach one thing about life after death, and others teach something else; etc., etc.

These differences in teachings, however, do NOT make them any less important or equal in value than all the other religions of the world. So you go, okay, I accept only Islam as a valid, authentic, acceptable religion (for myself and I'd LOVE it for the entire world as well, but that's realistically impossible) because that's what my Holy Book teaches me, but that doesn't mean it's more important or better than all other religions. The others are JUST as important -- maybe not to me personally, since I don't follow them, but to those who DO follow them.

[Roshina]

Qrratagai khore jana,

why are you a Muslim? If all religions are equal, then why do you make a distinction?

You are not practicing what you are preaching.

Do I have to follow every single religion in order to accept all as deserving of equal respect, tolerance, appreciation, and value? I don't think so. I'm a Muslim, but that doesn't mean my religious values are better than all non-Muslims' religious values.

It's possible that I find the concept of monotheism of Islam more reasonable, or that I prefer some other aspects or teachings of Islam to those of other religions. But that STILL doesn't make Islam better than other religions to me. It remains of equal importance and respect as all other religions.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dearest Qrratagai khore,

I think you have to start illustrating what you want to say by bringing examples from Islam or Hinduism or any other religion and compare them with each other. You don't seem to comprehend the purpose for religion.

Here let me ask you a question: If someone wishes to convert to Hinduism from Islam what would you tell them?