Islam is just a religion like any other religion

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dear sister, the purpose of religion is to kill the nonsensical aspects of culture that drives man away from God.

The reason why the mushrikeen of Mecca were against Islam was because it would not go hand in hand with their culture.

As Jasmine said it, the parts of our culture that does not go against Islam we can keep.

This, has to go:

Swara is a child marriage custom in tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan. This custom is tied to blood feuds among the different tribes and clans where the young girls are forcibly married to the members of different clans in order to resolve the feuds. It is most common among Pashtuns.

In Islam, a girl has to agree to her marriage contract otherwise it is nullified as per the dictates of shariah. She cannot be forced into it, no matter what the reason is.

[Saifullah]

Once you call yourself a muslim then you have submitted to the will of Allah! You cannot follow your culture above Islam. That is to mean any aspect in your culture which goes beyond the limits islam has set, then we reject that as muslims. Otherwise if it is within the limits set by Islam then we can follow that part of the culture.

Do we have to uphold Pashtunwali to the core? Will that make us better human beings if we do? Will that make us more successful? No i do not think so. Whereas if we follow Islam will it make us better human beings and successful? Yes!

So nobody will say abandon your culture completely, forget your religion and so on. We keep our culture but we remove the parts of it in conflict with our religion Islam.

[Badlun]

This is the main issue we are discussing in this thread.Islam being only a religion like any other religion has nothing to do with the culture of a people, nation or ethnic group. Islam being a religion only deals with your beliefs, modes of worship and ethics. If an element of culture goes beyond your belief for example a culture establishes two gods instead of one then it is against Islam but other elements of culture as beard, dress, music, arts and crafts has nothing to do religion.

Pashtunwali is the culture and society of Pashtuns not the religion. We must strike a balance between our culture and society and our religion. Otherwise religious pandits and taliban will wipe out our culture, our dances, our music, our poetry, our arts and our social values. The clash we see in the shape of Taliban and Mullas when they kill Pashtun singers, artists and stop all Pashtun cultural events , festivals and musical programmes and instead introducing and implementing a fireign Arab culture.

The soultion is keeping the religion and the culture or society separate. Similarly separating politics, economics and science from the religion. This is the only way both religion and non religion can mutually survive.

[Saifullah]

nonsense...

Because if we keep religion and culture separate then we gonna have jahil customs like swara prevailing
If culture was supposed to be kept separate from religion, then Muhammad (saw) would not have gone against his ancestors/tribes and stop them in doing many customary actions! But Islam came and changed the whole arab society! It allowed the arabs to keep their culture but removed many of their cultural things which were inhumane and against islam

[MazloomYarMasud]

Once you call yourself a muslim then you have submitted to the will of Allah! You cannot follow your culture above Islam. That is to mean any aspect in your culture which goes beyond the limits islam has set, then we reject that as muslims. Otherwise if it is within the limits set by Islam then we can follow that part of the culture.

Do we have to uphold Pashtunwali to the core? Will that make us better human beings if we do? Will that make us more successful? No i do not think so. Whereas if we follow Islam will it make us better human beings and successful? Yes!

So nobody will say abandon your culture completely, forget your religion and so on. We keep our culture but we remove the parts of it in conflict with our religion Islam.

With Due respect Saifullah the Muslim world has to be the most backward, corrupted, violent and the worst place to life and expect a life expectancy of on average above 30 years old.

Muslims have been slaughtering eachother for centuries on the grounds that they feel their system is better than the others and that Allah has guided them to kill opponents.

Take the UK for example There is no such thing as Shia vs Sunni because there is law and order and due to the secular nature of the British people nobody really has time to prove to another that their faith is right.

The Muslim World such as Saudi Arabia being the capital of it has to be the most backward place on the planet. They support breast feeding drivers and clerics support the legalization of Slavery. Their litrature and speeches are full of hate and violence and teach children at a very young age that on the day of judgement there will be trees that will tell you a Jew is hiding here come and slaughter him/her.

I hope I didnt offend your deen in anyway but reality is right there in the Muslim world for you to see.

If we follow Pashtunwali which is probably more beneificial than Religion because in Pashtunwali every tribe is counted as one while being judged by your faith always has a violent agenda to it resulting in factions and madrassahs killing eachothers students for a better life or reward in the here after.

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

nonsense...

Because if we keep religion and culture separate then we gonna have jahil customs like swara prevailing
If culture was supposed to be kept separate from religion, then Muhammad (saw) would not have gone against his ancestors/tribes and stop them in doing many customary actions! But Islam came and changed the whole arab society! It allowed the arabs to keep their culture but removed many of their cultural things which were inhumane and against islam

Pashtunwali can be reformed but sadly Muslims oppose Islam being reformed.

Imgine living under the Islamic Califate led by some Lunatic Arab bedion sat in Saudi Arabia with his belly dancing wives declares that females of your family have to breast feed your family driver with accordance to Sharia????

Talk about Jahils.

Kind Regards

[Saifullah]

MUSLIM WORLD. Islam is a religion my friend and its followers are in no way following it! Maybe a small percentage follow it properly, most of them are following their culture or stuff unrelated to Islam.

Tomorrow if a muslim kills his brother, you gonna blame Islam for that?

So please dont give me examples of Muslim world and Saudi Arabia that has nothing to do with Islam. Muslims are backward coz they left Islam. Remember the past where they were so advanced while west was in stone ages/dark ages. So dont try and teach me about this nonsense of 'muslim world'

My faith doesnt come from Saudi so please stop using this as a point for discussion.

[Saifullah]

Pashtunwali can be reformed but sadly Muslims oppose Islam being reformed.

Imgine living under the Islamic Califate led by some Lunatic Arab bedion sat in Saudi Arabia with his belly dancing wives declares that females of your family have to breast feed your family driver with accordance to Sharia????

Talk about Jahils.

Kind Regards

Once again your jahiliyat has come out from your comments. You think Saudi is Islam. Islam is Quran and Sunnat not Saudi.

Islam doesnt need to be reformed. Islam gives us guidelines how to live. If we live within those boundaries we are fine. Islam has a banking system which is compatible with any century, its laws are compatible with any century the only thing that needs to be reformed is not our great faith but the reformation is required by the follower who thinks like a jahil and doesnt understand his religion

[MazloomYarMasud]

MUSLIM WORLD. Islam is a religion my friend and its followers are in no way following it! Maybe a small percentage follow it properly, most of them are following their culture or stuff unrelated to Islam.

Tomorrow if a muslim kills his brother, you gonna blame Islam for that?

So please dont give me examples of Muslim world and Saudi Arabia that has nothing to do with Islam. Muslims are backward coz they left Islam. Remember the past where they were so advanced while west was in stone ages/dark ages. So dont try and teach me about this nonsense of 'muslim world'

My faith doesnt come from Saudi so please stop using this as a point for discussion.

So what is true Islam?

Sufi Way?Shia Way?Wahabi way? Salafi way? Qadiyani way?

You live in the UK. Most of these Muslim countries can not live a day without support or aid given to them from Christian dominated western nations.

Muslim countries are the most intolarant socieities in the world.

Take Pakistan for instance.

A whole christian village was burnt to the ashes with innocent people forced to be held because some Muslim had some Bardee with a Christian villager there.

In Kurram Agency Sunni Pashtun Radicals slaughtered many Pashtun Shias in the name of Islam because a Mullah has deemed Shias as Kaffirs.

The List goes on.

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

Once again your jahiliyat has come out from your comments. You think Saudi is Islam. Islam is Quran and Sunnat not Saudi.

Islam doesnt need to be reformed. Islam gives us guidelines how to live. If we live within those boundaries we are fine. Islam has a banking system which is compatible with any century, its laws are compatible with any century the only thing that needs to be reformed is not our great faith but the reformation is required by the follower who thinks like a jahil and doesnt understand his religion

I guess you have not heard of Interpretation of Islam.

There is no such thing as a Pure and one Islam.

Mankind himself has made things confusing.

Dont call me a Jahil when you dont know anything about me.

You support Pashtunistan right? But Islamically that is HARAM because you are being a Munafiq by dividing Muslims away from fellow Muslims.

We have debated about this whole Islam isnt like this and Islam is like this

Saifullah you are viewing Islam to suit you only but there will be others who will oppose what you say.

Kind Regards

[Saifullah]

Sorry my view of Pashtunistan is to unite Pashtuns who are divided at the moment. And Islam is not against uniting your family! I dont preach rascism which means i am not doing something haram and i will not say to my pashtuns in my kind of pashtunistan to not be friends with other good muslims. If there are genuine good muslims around us then we must accept them. Otherwise i think they should stay away from munafiq muslims.

There is Islam in its basic form, some things are open to interpretation but the main core of islam is clear. Worship one god, dont be a munafiq, dont be a lier, dont cheat, pray, fast, zakat, earn halal money. Millions of things i can write, so why you making something so simple into something complicated??

We are talking about Saudi which you keep mentioning. Sorry that is not my source of Islam. That is why i am calling you jahil for trying to make that point of Saudi in every discussion.

No I view Islam the way it should be viewed. Simple religion which it says in the Quran. Where it tells us READ. It doesnt say go to saudi to read Quran or go to pashtuns to read Quran. It asks you to READ, it asks you to THINK, it asks you to use your brain! So if anyone opposes me in this thinking, thats their problem. Will misguided people ever accept the truth even when truth is clear? Thats not my problem to worry about people not accepting truth.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Once you call yourself a muslim then you have submitted to the will of Allah! You cannot follow your culture above Islam. That is to mean any aspect in your culture which goes beyond the limits islam has set, then we reject that as muslims. Otherwise if it is within the limits set by Islam then we can follow that part of the culture.

Do we have to uphold Pashtunwali to the core? Will that make us better human beings if we do? Will that make us more successful? No i do not think so. Whereas if we follow Islam will it make us better human beings and successful? Yes!

So nobody will say abandon your culture completely, forget your religion and so on. We keep our culture but we remove the parts of it in conflict with our religion Islam.

Word.

[Saifullah]

So what is true Islam?

Sufi Way?Shia Way?Wahabi way? Salafi way? Qadiyani way?

You live in the UK. Most of these Muslim countries can not live a day without support or aid given to them from Christian dominated western nations.

Muslim countries are the most intolarant socieities in the world.

Take Pakistan for instance.

A whole christian village was burnt to the ashes with innocent people forced to be held because some Muslim had some Bardee with a Christian villager there.

In Kurram Agency Sunni Pashtun Radicals slaughtered many Pashtun Shias in the name of Islam because a Mullah has deemed Shias as Kaffirs.

The List goes on.

Kind Regards

Once again you mention events which are against Islam. Why do you relate a jahil muslim to Islam? If a muslim drinks alcohol, he is still a muslim. But that doesnt mean Islam is to blame because Islam tells him not to drink.

Intolerance is not a good thing, murdering people for no reason is not a good and Islam does not support it.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

This is the main issue we are discussing in this thread.Islam being only a religion like any other religion has nothing to do with the culture of a people, nation or ethnic group. Islam being a religion only deals with your beliefs, modes of worship and ethics. If an element of culture goes beyond your belief for example a culture establishes two gods instead of one then it is against Islam but other elements of culture as beard, dress, music, arts and crafts has nothing to do religion.

Pashtunwali is the culture and society of Pashtuns not the religion. We must strike a balance between our culture and society and our religion. Otherwise religious pandits and taliban will wipe out our culture, our dances, our music, our poetry, our arts and our social values. The clash we see in the shape of Taliban and Mullas when they kill Pashtun singers, artists and stop all Pashtun cultural events , festivals and musical programmes and instead introducing and implementing a fireign Arab culture.

The soultion is keeping the religion and the culture or society separate. Similarly separating politics, economics and science from the religion. This is the only way both religion and non religion can mutually survive.

My brother in one thread you contradicted yourself:

Islam being only a religion like any other religion has nothing to do with the culture of a people, nation or ethnic group.

If an element of culture goes beyond your belief for example a culture establishes two gods instead of one then it is against Islam

The fact that you used religion to distinguish how many gods there is a proof that religion is the final say.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Mazloomyar Jana,

Islam is not like any other religion. Islam claims to be superior over all other religions. No other religion claims this. This in itself is proof enough that Islam is superior.

You can say that a KIA is equal to a BMW, only and only because they both look like a car. However, there is more than what meets the eye--the BMW is far more superior.

Someone poor can only afford a KIA and some rich can afford a BMW.

Someone with a poor intellect will think that a statue is god, whereas someone with a rich intellect will think that a statue can bring neither harm nor can it bring any good. The person with a rich capacity will settle for that True God that can do good and can do harm.

Therefore, all religions are not equal. It depends on the intellectual capacity of their adherents.