Islam is just a religion like any other religion

[PFgulalai]

Do you know what you are saying? Are you Pashtun?

If yes, after this I highly doubt it.

If no, you should know the value of Pashtunwali to a true Pashtun.

Pashtunwali is older than Islam.It's our thousands years old ancient code of life. It runs in our blood and it remains with us from cradle-to-grave.

There are thousands of things which would contradict Quran. You can exhaust those first rather than targeting our Pashtunwali.

If Pashtunwali has aspects that contradict the Quran, we must leave those aspects of Pashtunwali.

Oil and water can't mix.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Do you know what you are saying? Are you Pashtun?

If yes, after this I highly doubt it.

If no, you should know the value of Pashtunwali to a true Pashtun.

Pashtunwali is older than Islam.It's our thousands years old ancient code of life. It runs in our blood and it remains with us from cradle-to-grave.

There are thousands of things which would contradict Quran. You can exhaust those first rather than targeting our Pashtunwali.

Beloved sister,

I am a Pashtun and I will always be one. Just because I give Quran precedence over Pashtunwali does not make me any less a Pashtun.

Is Pashtunwali not against some of your own principles?
Further, tell me what contradicts the Quran?

One request, leave the hatred aside. An educated person is beyond hatred.

[PFgulalai]

Beloved sister,
I am a Pashtun and I will always be one. Just because I give Quran precedence over Pashtunwali does not make me any less a Pashtun..

Oh well, I am against the Arab-inization of Pashtunwali. We are Pashtuns, not Arabs.Therefore, I would like to die as Pashtun, not Arab.Period.

Is Pashtunwali not against some of your own principles?.

The epicenter of my principles is Pashtunwali and everything revolves around it and I practice it religiously and I have a beautiful life without any self-contradictions and a lot of peace of mind.

Further, tell me what contradicts the Quran?.

Bible contradicts Quran.Quran contradicts Talmud.Talmus contradicts Baghvad Geeta.Geeta contradicts Science.Science contradicts Quran.Quran contradicts Bible.Bible contradicts Quran......

One request, leave the hatred aside. An educated person is beyond hatred.

You will do much good to yourself if you advise that to yourself first.Everything would qualify as hatred to you if it contradicts Quran. I think beyond the limits that you can't even dare to think of!!
Peace!

[PFgulalai]

Jasmine, cultures and societies are evolving as the world is progressing. There is a big, but subtle difference between reformation and transformation. Reformation of Pashtunwali would make sense to me but transformation on the basis of so-called contradictions with Arabs is quite unacceptable to me. I would hope this never happens in my lifetime at the least.

Gulalai,
If there are certain parts of Pashtunwali that contradict Islam we can drop that and continue with the rest.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Gulalai, you are speaking with spite.

I am a Muslim and I will die a Muslim. Islam does not equal being an Arab. I would have thought that someone as educated as yourself would have been able to distinguish the difference.

Just because i defend the Quran does not mean that I hate people.

If you think that what you have stated contradicts the Quran, then technically speaking you are right. However, that does not make Quran wrong.

The difference between you and me is that you hate and mock Islam and Arabs, whereas I don't hate and mock anything.

If you just pondered upon what you have said, you have basically bashed everyone on this website. In fact, you have even bashed your friend Qrratugai.

If you think that your opinions are going to be accepted without scrutiny then you are a living contradiction for your field of study scrutinizes everything.

Just apply that in your daily life and live happily.

I personally don't have a problem with you, but you have to let go. Don't hate me because I am a Muslim and love to defend Islam.

[PFgulalai]

If a "silent reformation" has already occurred, why are you asking for further transformations?So far,following Pashtunwali is concerned, it varies from person to person. I have seen those who always stick to the core values of Pashtunwali wherever they go or live. Then there are those who have completely abandon it.Personally, I would like to see Pashtuns as modern people who are up to date with the modern norms of the world, so that we are just not recognized as "Pathan jaaney namaz jaanay".

It already has Gulalai khorey, Pashtuns are 99.9 percent devoted Muslims. Ever heard of your friends say, "Pathan jaaney namaz jaanay" Do you think Pashtunwali to its core is still followed?

No one asked for a transformation but a silent reformation occurred the year we became Muslims.

[PFgulalai]

Peace!

gulalai, you are speaking with spite.

I am a muslim and i will die a muslim. Islam does not equal being an arab. I would have thought that someone as educated as yourself would have been able to distinguish the difference.

Just because i defend the quran does not mean that i hate people.

If you think that what you have stated contradicts the quran, then technically speaking you are right. However, that does not make quran wrong.

The difference between you and me is that you hate and mock islam and arabs, whereas i don't hate and mock anything.

If you just pondered upon what you have said, you have basically bashed everyone on this website. In fact, you have even bashed your friend qrratugai.

If you think that your opinions are going to be accepted without scrutiny then you are a living contradiction for your field of study scrutinizes everything.

Just apply that in your daily life and live happily.

I personally don't have a problem with you, but you have to let go. Don't hate me because i am a muslim and love to defend islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Peace!

Insha Allah. May Allah be with you.

[PFgulalai]

It's fine,Jasime. The thread has been "transforming" since the time it started. Infact, people notions have been "transforming" if you would notice,lolz.

I like commenting on other's threads. I think refraining from starting one of my own is best in my interest at present. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Gulalai, This is going to side track the thread. I would love to discuss this with you. Start a thread khor you can do it girl

[PFgulalai]

Ofcourse, I do not agree for a variety of reasons.

I support the reformation of those customs and traditions which contradict the core human values in general. For instance, "Swara" is highly deplorable and it is something that I would like to address both in practice and theory. Can Islam reform it? We will talk only after "stoning to death" is nullified.

Peace.

I said, If certain aspects of it contradict Islam. We as Muslims should drop it.

That was all. Do you agree?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

What is "swara?"

[PFgulalai]

Oh no! Jasmine, I heard this really good lecture about "World peace and harmony" so "peace" is stuck in my mind. Please bear with me for the next 5 minutes.

Gulalai is that it? Peace? end of discussion?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Pashtunwali is older than Islam.It's our thousands years old ancient code of life. It runs in our blood and it remains with us from cradle-to-grave.

The epicenter of my principles is Pashtunwali and everything revolves around it and I practice it religiously and I have a beautiful life without any self-contradictions and a lot of peace of mind.

I support the reformation of those customs and traditions which contradict the core human values in general. For instance, "Swara" is highly deplorable and it is something that I would like to address both in practice and theory.

Interesting.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I support the reformation of those customs and traditions which contradict the core human values in general. For instance, "Swara" is highly deplorable and it is something that I would like to address both in practice and theory. Can Islam reform it? We will talk only after "stoning to death" is nullified.

Stoning to death is NOT an Islamic principle. Islam abrogated this custom.

Can we talk now?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Osho Jana, discuss Pashtunwali here.

Yes, it is a culture, but Islam also inculcates its own culture upon its adherents once they accept Islam. Hence, you have to let go of one of them.