Kite Runner Debate thread

[Darweshkhel]

Taliban is not even a Pashtu word. Taliban is Arabic with the ending -an which is taken from Dari which give the word a plural form. The first people who used the word Taliban were the Mujaheddin. Later the word became popular in a very negative sense ...

oh please, thats another wackipedia definition by foreigners for non-afghans. come on man, half of our vocabulary is adopted from arabic plus talib is a religious term. do me a favor and stop dumping that wikitrash on PF.

go ahead and do some research tell us something new. read some pashto literature or poetry from the last century and youll find out taliban did exist loooong time ago, the word AND the students themselves. religious students are being called taliban for hundreds of years among pashtuns. the term has just been politicized during the last decade. you thought taliban was a new phenomenon but it wasnt the media was fooling and manipulating you=). this is NOT a NEW TERM so please update you data and stop that talk.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

oh please, thats another wackipedia definition by foreigners for non-afghans. come on man, half of our vocabulary is adopted from arabic plus talib is a religious term. do me a favor and stop dumping that wikitrash on PF.

That´s what I said. The term Talib is arabic and the ending -an is from Dari. It has nothing to do with wikipedia or anything else. Just open a dictionary.

go ahead and do some research tell us something new. read some pashto literature or poetry from the last century and youll find out taliban did exist loooong time ago, the word AND the students themselves. religious students are being called taliban for hundreds of years among pashtuns

The term Taliban was nevr used in Afghanistan before the era of the Soviets. Modern Taliban are not the same as for 30 years ago. Today Taliban are children of refugees. Show one example where the term was used in the past. Mujahed was always in use in India, Pakistan, Central Asia, Iran and Iraq. Even Arabs do not use it.

you thought taliban was a new phenomenon but it wasnt the media was fooling and manipulating you=). this is NOT a NEW TERM so please update you data and stop that talk.

Prove it where I said that.

[کیش]

That´s what I said. The term Talib is arabic and the ending -an is from Dari. It has nothing to do with wikipedia or anything else. Just open a dictionary.



The term Taliban was nevr used in Afghanistan before the era of the Soviets. Modern Taliban are not the same as for 30 years ago. Today Taliban are children of refugees. Show one example where the term was used in the past. Mujahed was always in use in India, Pakistan, Central Asia, Iran and Iraq. Even Arabs do not use it.



Prove it where I said that.

Are you blind, I told you why the (an) comes into play, in the word "Talib". Reread my earlier post about it, I know your just a bull****ter.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Khaled Hosseini: Biography from Answers.com

[khashayar]

Kite runner was an overrated, over inflated bore. I wiped my ass with it when I ran out of toilet paper.

The end.

[faye]

what, the video? ouch!

[khashayar]

Lol.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

-an, is used in both dari and pashto, what proof do you have that pashto borrowed it from Dari? In linguistic term Dari (modern farsi) is only 1200-1300 hundred years old, pashto as noted by its character is older than modern Dari. if both languages share some similarity its because they come from the same root. But you as Dari speaker claim that -an came from Dari to pashto while pashto is older than Dari. Your logic and argument is quite absurd to say the least. Your not a linguist so before you claim something use your brain please and back up your argument with some evidence. -an is used is used for plural in both Dari and pashto. You can't prove that it came from Dari to pashto. if you can then please enlighten us, as this will improve our undrestanding of both languages.

Pashtu is no old. If scholars date the roots of Pashtu than to the 8th century and not earlier, if not the 16th century. ''-an'' is not native to other languages, except Dari and Farsi. Actually it is even not native to Farsi but to Palawi language that Farsi adoptet. Urdu has also older charakterists because of Indian elements (as well on Pashtu) but the language came to life under the Mughals. There were never old Pashtu or something like that. The language you speak is a modern language, same as you claim for Dari, neverlessness Dari can still seen reflected in older dialects while for Pashtu there is no proof. That´s also a reason why Pashtu had never any influence on other languages while in return other languages had great influence on Pashtu and Pakhtu. If I claim something you think it is wrong than you need to prove me wrong.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

lol, 16th century? are you mad? its true that there aren't written records of pashto older than 16th-17th century but that doesn't mean nobody spoke pashto. I am sure Nick bro will give more info because he is familiar with this subject. pashto is classified as northeastern iranian language and the indic ifluences are borrowed and recent. its on encyclopedia iranica, you can check it. you claim that pashto has no ancestor, so where did it come from. there are already threads on this forum which show similarity between pashto and sanskrit and avestan. pashto does have some influence on farsi, some dari speakers say "jorr asti"?. an iranian wouldn't even undrestand that because it has pashto word. there are small examples like that. but dari influenced pashto more because dari was supported more by the kings and so it advanced more. all languages borrow from each other, its nothing new.

You can not compare modern Pashtu with a language that once was spoken in the region Pashtuns inhabit that could be called as fore-runner, a language among other regional languages which possibly were replaced by ''Pashtu''. Modern Pashtu is a conclusion of many different languages. Modern Pashtu is different than a ''Pashtu'' that was spoken for 800years ago. The works of Nick are worthless because they are fakes. He is not a linguists and by far not a scholar. He in the mid of his tweenties and yet have not even finished a real school and his works try to claim others achievements for only for Pashtuns and falsyfie even scholars works or invent new terms that do not exist. If you believe such a person, it´s your right. But noone will take you serious. Outside this forum Nick have gave up with his BS and biass, why? Your logic does not make sense. There is also similarity between Dari, Farsi Avestan and Sanscrit (safid->Sapid->Svet; Jashn->Jasna->Jasana...). So what shall that prove, except that all four languages are from the same families. ''Jor'' is the Farsi/Dari word for ''fine'', ''well''. It´s related with ''cure'', ''auskurieren'', ''secure'' etc. Don´t talk such a BS. Tehranis would say ''jori''. Dari and Farsi were dominant because they are both dialects of the same language belonging to the same civilisation, from Ghazni to Kurdistan. It was spoken from the 3rd century till today. And many people took that language even beyond the borders of these large country, far away to Bengal and Nepal ot to Anatolia and Balkan. It became the language´s of kings who were not even native to it. But Pashtu is kept mainly the language of the mountains and valleys in the east. The advantage of Dari was based on it´s native speakers who served as wakils, vazirs, poets, teachers and and and (''Men of Pen'', ever heard that word? I guess no you ain´t). Pashtuns on the other hand served as soldiers for every kind of people, except some souls (legendary Rahman Baba, Khushal Khan Khattak...) who were serving their own nation.

[unknownprince]

i red book. why did they make pashtun all bad charachers like Asef. Amir was bad character who not good friend to Hassan. they make Amir dad bad too.

all pathans made to look bad? Why?

[Prince_Pukhtun]

alot of friends here seem to only remember the scene with hassan and assef

and for some reason asked me if its common! i get angry and say no it isnt!

[kakargirl]

alot of friends here seem to only remember the scene with hassan and assef

and for some reason asked me if its common! i get angry and say no it isnt!

wror pa khair raghlai to the forum 1st and its all propaganda against pashtuns to make us look bad.