Kite Runner Debate thread

[BarakzaiAbdali]

We need to keep these Tajiks and Tajik sympathizers under us at all costs.

It is not about keeping anyone down. People in this region identify with the roots of the father. He clearly told me his father derives from Qizilbash lineage and that was why he was able to feel comfortable in Iran. He divulged all this because we initially spoke as Physicians and I made sure he felt comfortable enough to expose himself.

Here is a concordant Pashtun essay on the subject of Mr. Hosseini's trashy work. This writer acknowledges his mother's roots. However, that means little if nothing when his mother is also a farsibaan.:

http://larawbar.com/details.php?id=14649

As a side note I do not agree with this author on other subjects.

[kakargirl]

kandahar wror pa khair raghlia.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Divide? Quit playing coy. You are about as genuine as a dog in heat. Regarding your commentary about me lying regarding Hosseini's ethnicity, he told me this directly and has no qualm about it whatsoever.

Regarding the movie Osama, you know damn well it is not based on a true story 1 bit or 1 byte. He named it Osama and released it closely after 9/11 to cash in.

"Hosseini was born in Kabul as a member of the Qizilbash clan."

He affirmed this and spent time comfortably in Tehran with his brethren there.

http://www.eons.com/groups/topic/106...haled-Hosseini

The link you posted is a copy of Wikipedia. The owner just copied and paste it possibly from older versions? otherwise he would know nothing about Husseini. Take also in note that I never mentioned he is not a Tajik. That´s your pure slanders, dear brothers and sisters. You just need to read my comments on this topic. That does not change the fact that his mother is a Pashtun, related to former roal house. See the link I pasted here. The link you posted has no value. And so what that he had a comfortable life in Tehran? Where do you live and why DO YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME IN THE WEST or many other million people in Pakistan, UAR and Saudi-Arabia, Bahrain ....? Stop beeing a hypocrite.

I agree that the name Osama for the movie was an analogy to Osama Bin Laden and everything that is associated with that man, inclduing the Taliban. But this fact does not replace the fact that the story was based on reality and a personal story of an Afghan family in Kabul. You just turn or possibly you do not know anything about the era of Taliban thus making such stupid statements. Everyone knew that women could not go out of the house without a male backing. Many family lost their male members and had only their daughters. What should they do? Living in their like a jail four corners their life-long? So what did they? They made out of girls boys. That was reality. Stop liyng and slandering OR stop trying to hide facts. I did not attack you anywhere just prove you in one or two points wrong and now you push hard to prove me wrong, no matter how. That´s stupid.

Hu? What’s "culturally a non-pashtun"? which ethnic or people are these “non-pashton” animal with their unique culture that I don’t know?
For the record…Husseini’s mom is Mohammadzai…a far relative of my moms….and his father's father is Alekozai of Herat...technically…he is 75% Pashton.

This is a quotation what brother Azmal wrote. What´s again your thoughts about it? Recognize also the part where he insults someone not beeing a Pashtun or belonging to that culture.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Premezda_Ker_Ta_Drima

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[BarakzaiAbdali]

The link you posted is a copy of Wikipedia. The owner just copied and paste it possibly from older versions? otherwise he would know nothing about Husseini. Take also in note that I never mentioned he is not a Tajik. That´s your pure slanders, dear brothers and sisters. You just need to read my comments on this topic. That does not change the fact that his mother is a Pashtun, related to former roal house. See the link I pasted here. The link you posted has no value. And so what that he had a comfortable life in Tehran? Where do you live and why DO YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME IN THE WEST or many other million people in Pakistan, UAR and Saudi-Arabia, Bahrain ....? Stop beeing a hypocrite.

I agree that the name Osama for the movie was an analogy to Osama Bin Laden and everything that is associated with that man, inclduing the Taliban. But this fact does not replace the fact that the story was based on reality and a personal story of an Afghan family in Kabul. You just turn or possibly you do not know anything about the era of Taliban thus making such stupid statements. Everyone knew that women could not go out of the house without a male backing. Many family lost their male members and had only their daughters. What should they do? Living in their like a jail four corners their life-long? So what did they? They made out of girls boys. That was reality. Stop liyng and slandering OR stop trying to hide facts. I did not attack you anywhere just prove you in one or two points wrong and now you push hard to prove me wrong, no matter how. That´s stupid.



This is a quotation what brother Azmal wrote. What´s again your thoughts about it? Recognize also the part where he insults someone not beeing a Pashtun or belonging to that culture.

I could care less about these folks being Pashtuns or non Pashtuns. That is not my concern. My concern is your habitual mistruth telling with a sly twist to make yourself appear genuine.

1) You persist on mistruths in the case of Bacha Bazai, a now proven turkic origin custom. You heaped that nonsense at the door of the tribes of FATA without basis.

2) The movie Osama being based on a true story. BASED on a true story is a far cry from an actual true story where this a-s-s-hole Barmak depicts the Pashtun kaka as A) Raping and B) taking a public ghusl bath to make us look like Brutes

http://www.afghanmagazine.com/2004_04/film/barmak.shtml

He has no proof that the "true story" took place... just a letter from a "friend" of his. And lo and behold, the movie is released right when the invasion is escalating and occupation is being justified.


3) The Taliban were a neutralizer to Mossoud and the northern alliance rapists, Najib sympathizers, and all the other trash that attempted to impose their views on the rural masses of the Pashtun belt. Your dishonesty in attempting to make them seem like the moral odd man out shows your sympathies. Regarding your idiotic and very typical canard of a western upbringing somehow making an ideology incorrect, you show how big of a fool you really are. This is a manufactured and repetitive slander without merit and actually flies right back in your face. How? Well the folks you support, Mr. Karzai, Mr. Saleh, Mr. Hosseini, Mr. Spanta were all massive failures in the West and had to return on the back of an empire in order to make up for their subsequent inferiority complex of not being able to cut it. They want to reestablish an oligarchy so they can loot, steal, and milk the country for what it is worth:

"History tells a different story. The conflict is very complex, multi-dimensional and goes back three decades. In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets."

http://www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks

4) Hosseini being 75% Pashtun means little if nothing in regard in the setting of his paternal origin and the fact that his Muhammadzai Kabuli maternal lineage exactly represented the protagonist in the story. He went in to slander the rural masses with his character Asef and went on to put salt in the wounds when he has Asef be a homosexual rapist who heils Hitler.

Quit talking trash and drop the act.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

You persist on mistruths in the case of Bacha Bazai, a now proven turkic origin custom. You heaped that nonsense at the door of the tribes of FATA without basis.

ha ha ha .. now it is a Turkic custom? Come on, that´s to easy, even for you to claim such a thing brother. Pedophelia is also taken place in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan .... America. It was always attested in our regions. Even great Khushal Khan Khattak and legendary Rahman Baba had fables for young boys. How can that beeing a Turkic case?

The movie Osama being based on a true story. BASED on a true story is a far cry from an actual true story where this a-s-s-hole Barmak depicts the Pashtun kaka as A) Raping and B) taking a public ghusl bath to make us look like Brutes

He just showed the life of people under Taliban. People were not able to go to schools. Girls couldn´t go outside so they became boys and as boys they had to visit mosques where they got their education. Please, think a bit further. The movie was actually finished at beginning of 2000 before the invasion after 09/11. After 09/11 only the title was changed from Arrested to Osama. No matter if the movie is based on a true story or not...that does not count, it just show us the reality. The movie was just a mirror.

The Taliban were a neutralizer to Mossoud and the northern alliance rapists, Najib sympathizers, and all the other trash that attempted to impose their views on the rural masses of the Pashtun belt. Your dishonesty in attempting to make them seem like the moral odd man out shows your sympathies. Regarding your idiotic and very typical canard of a western upbringing somehow making an ideology incorrect, you show how big of a fool you really are. This is a manufactured and repetitive slander without merit and actually flies right back in your face. How? Well the folks you support, Mr. Karzai, Mr. Saleh, Mr. Hosseini, Mr. Spanta were all massive failures in the West and had to return on the back of an empire in order to make up for their subsequent inferiority complex of not being able to cut it. They want to reestablish an oligarchy so they can loot, steal, and milk the country for what it is worth:

I do not support Karzai. He himself is a Taliban and a puppet of ISI like his family was bfore. I just support mr. Saleh and Dr. Abdullah and everyone who work for a better life in Afghanistan. So what? That´s not a crime. If you think they are criminals than go and replace them. Neither Massoud nor anyone of them were rapists. The rapists were Gulbuddin, Sayaf and their supporters who used poisons against innocent women, girls, children and other helpless people. They were the kidnappers. Alone Gulbuddin and his men killed more people than Soviets did in Afghanistan. How do you deal with that fact?

Modern Taliban are not the Mujaheddins of yesterday. They are just children of Afghan immigrants and refugees in Pakistan who left the country for 30 years ago. They did not fought the Soviets. After 09/11 the Pashtuns in the south did not want the new government because of the non-Pashtun elements. So what is your intention. It just show that you have an ethnical agenda like those farmers, Taliban and nomads of southern Afghanistan.

Husseini´s novels just showed us how Afghanistan´s history andn it´s modern society looks like. Nothing else. And he is 50% Pashtun. How can he be 75% Pashtun? Either his mother is a Pashtun from father side or his father is a Pashtun from father side so he would be a Pashtun, too. No matter what his mother is. Your ethnical agenda does not work. Husseini is neither a Pashtun nor a Tajik. He is a human-beeing. Unfortunately, some people think beeing at first Pashtun, Tajik ... is more important than beeing a human.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

ha ha ha .. now it is a Turkic custom? Come on, that´s to easy, even for you to claim such a thing brother. Pedophelia is also taken place in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan .... America. It was always attested in our regions. Even great Khushal Khan Khattak and legendary Rahman Baba had fables for young boys. How can that beeing a Turkic case?

He just showed the life of people under Taliban. People were not able to go to schools. Girls couldn´t go outside so they became boys and as boys they had to visit mosques where they got their education. Please, think a bit further. The movie was actually finished at beginning of 2000 before the invasion after 09/11. After 09/11 only the title was changed from Arrested to Osama.

I do not support Karzai. He himself is a Taliban and a puppet of ISI like his family was bfore. I just support mr. Saleh and Dr. Abdullah and everyone who work for a better life in Afghanistan. So what? That´s not a crime. If you think they are criminals than go and replace them. Neither Massoud nor anyone of them were rapists. The rapists were Gulbuddin, Sayaf and their supporters who used poisons against innocent women, girls, children and other helpless people. They were the kidnappers. Alone Gulbuddin and his men killed more people than Soviets did in Afghanistan. How do you deal with that fact?

Modern Taliban are not the Mujaheddins of yesterday. They are just children of Afghan immigrants and refugees in Pakistan who left the country for 30 years ago. They did not fought the Soviets. After 09/11 the Pashtuns in the south did not want the new government because of the non-Pashtun elements. So what is your intention. It just show that you have an ethnical agenda like those farmers, Taliban and nomads of southern Afghanistan.

Husseini´s novels just showed us how Afghanistan´s history andn it´s modern society looks like. Nothing else. And he is 50% Pashtun. How can he be 75% Pashtun? Either his mother is a Pashtun from father side or his father is a Pashtun from father side so he would be a Pashtun, too. No matter what his mother is. Your ethnical agenda does not work. Husseini is neither a Pashtun nor a Tajik. He is a human-beeing. Unfortunately, some people think beeing at first Pashtun, Tajik ... is more important than beeing a human.

As I said, it was you that alleged initially the custom arose in FATA. You have only yourself to blame. The custom was most commonly observed in your neck of the woods, not ours. So the onus is on you to deal with Bacha Bazai. Note that Najib Qureshi's film deal with those idiot warlords of the North who, like you, reflexively claim the custom came from Pakistan.

The Rapists were the Pashtuns? Give me a break. The original incentive for the Taliban to arm was rapes taking place under commanders in and around Kandahar. The Northern Alliance is not responsible for rape? Fahim is not corrupt? You are in a time warp and need a brain CT scan, not for stroke, but to examine whether your central nervous system exists in the first place.

"But it remains a fact that from 1992 to 1996, the Northern Alliance was a symbol of massacre, systematic rape and pillage. Which is why we – and I include the US State Department – welcomed the Taliban when they arrived in Kabul. The Northern Alliance left the city in 1996 with 50,000 dead behind it. Now its members are our foot soldiers."

http://www.rawa.org/na-killers.htm

Heck they even tried to rape Lara Logan, what makes you so naive to think they did not do this in the turmoil period?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Allian......-a080333773

"Lara, 30, who acknowledged that a sex attack was "always a possibility" while working among Afghanistan's brutal tribal factions, was saved by her loyal interpreter. She had interviewed the gun- carrying Alliance fighters and faced having to stay in the area overnight because it would be unsafe to travel after dark. The pair tried to bribe translator Mohammed Mohammadullah into delaying her departure and told him they planned to "have their way" with her

Mr. Saleh and Mr. Abdullah are the most ethnocentric b-a-s-t-a-rd-s out there.

Regarding the film, that is exactly the case. He is an opportunist that promoted a film that was otherwise trash in the wake of tragedy.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Bannu needs your help. please help BANNI SOY nation. Thank you.

I just sent them a 1 trillion dollar check.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

As I said, it was you that alleged initially the custom arose in FATA. You have only yourself to blame. The custom was most commonly observed in your neck of the woods, not ours. So the onus is on you to deal with Bacha Bazai. Note that Najib Qureshi's film deal with those idiot warlords of the North who, like you, reflexively claim the custom came from Pakistan.

I wrote the custom originates originally and very deep in tribal societies in tribal regions. Just because Quraishi wasn´t in the south for that you can´t make such a stupid claim. Do you know the tribal leader Allahdad? He is a Pashtun and he is a child molester. He is a ''northern warlord'' such as Gul Agha Sherzai is a child molester or the former governeur of Zabul Dilbar Jan Arman. In the north, it is common among some warlords and other powerful men, but in the south it is in fact an integral part of the society. Look the links I pasted here yesterday afternoon. Are you really such a stubborn person to deny the facts?
Pedophile Pashtunwali Bacha Bazi Culture In Southern Afghanistan-kandahar
You can´t say that´s only a northern problem. That is souther-northern-westerna nd eastern problem in Afghanistan and depends no on any ethnic as you try to claim here.

The Rapists were the Pashtuns?

Where did I say that? You just turn the words. I wrote the rapists were Gulbuddin, Sayaf and their supporters and loyalists. Look for the following:

The rapists were Gulbuddin, Sayaf and their supporters who used poisons against innocent women, girls, children and other helpless people. They were the kidnappers. Alone Gulbuddin and his men killed more people than Soviets did in Afghanistan. How do you deal with that fact?

The Northern Alliance is not responsible for rape? Fahim is not corrupt? You are in a time warp and need a brain CT scan, not for stroke, but to examine whether your central nervous system exists in the first place.

Corruption was not the issue. But yes, Fahim is a corrupt man. Such as Karzai and his family and all others. Do you know that your beloved Taliban get 400mio. USD every year from the United States? Why? Because US need them. Who is the real corrupt and hypocrite fraction? Taliban, Karzai or Fahim? Neverlessness, all of them have only one aim. Power.

"But it remains a fact that from 1992 to 1996, the Northern Alliance was a symbol of massacre, systematic rape and pillage. Which is why we – and I include the US State Department – welcomed the Taliban when they arrived in Kabul. The Northern Alliance left the city in 1996 with 50,000 dead behind it. Now its members are our foot soldiers."

RAWA and their articles haha .. RAWA is not reliable. They are liers. They are an ISI tool. Backed by Pakistan´s government of Bhenazir Bhutto and financed by ISI.

Heck they even tried to rape Lara Logan, what makes you so naive to think they did not do this in the turmoil period?

So she go to Afghanistan to meet his rapists and interview them?? Hahaha ... keep claiming. How many rapers have the Taliban? How many rapers are there among Pashtuns or do Pashtuns don´t have such persons? How many times Taliban kidnapped young girls? Don´t write foolish. Bad and good people are everywhere, among every group, fraction and people.

Mr. Saleh and Mr. Abdullah are the most ethnocentric b-a-s-t-a-rd-s out there.

How? Abdullah does not care about ethnicity and he is your keen-man. He is a Pashtun. How can he be anti-Pashtun? They just try to rescue your country from the hands of ISI and Taliban. Majority of their supporters are Pashtuns. Are they all b a s t a r d s, according to your logic?

[gadoonwal]

I wrote the custom originates originally and very deep in tribal societies in tribal regions. Just because Quraishi wasn´t in the south for that you can´t make such a stupid claim. Do you know the tribal leader Allahdad? He is a Pashtun and he is a child molester. He is a ''northern warlord'' such as Gul Agha Sherzai is a child molester or the former governeur of Zabul Dilbar Jan Arman. In the north, it is common among some warlords and other powerful men, but in the south it is in fact an integral part of the society. Look the links I pasted here yesterday afternoon. Are you really such a stubborn person to deny the facts?
Pedophile Pashtunwali Bacha Bazi Culture In Southern Afghanistan-kandahar
You can´t say that´s only a northern problem. That is souther-northern-westerna nd eastern problem in Afghanistan and depends no on any ethnic as you try to claim here.

Where did I say that? You just turn the words. I wrote the rapists were Gulbuddin, Sayaf and their supporters and loyalists. Look for the following: Corruption was not the issue. But yes, Fahim is a corrupt man. Such as Karzai and his family and all others. Do you know that your beloved Taliban get 400mio. USD every year from the United States? Why? Because US need them. Who is the real corrupt and hypocrite fraction? Taliban, Karzai or Fahim? Neverlessness, all of them have only one aim. Power.

RAWA and their articles haha .. RAWA is not reliable. They are liers. They are an ISI tool. Backed by Pakistan´s government of Bhenazir Bhutto and financed by ISI.

So she go to Afghanistan to meet his rapists and interview them?? Hahaha ... keep claiming. How many rapers have the Taliban? How many rapers are there among Pashtuns or do Pashtuns don´t have such persons? How many times Taliban kidnapped young girls? Don´t write foolish. Bad and good people are everywhere, among every group, fraction and people.

How? Abdullah does not care about ethnicity and he is your keen-man. He is a Pashtun. How can he be anti-Pashtun? They just try to rescue your country from the hands of ISI and Taliban. Majority of their supporters are Pashtuns. Are they all b a s t a r d s, according to your logic?

dr abdullah,s supporters are majority non-pashtuns pls do,nt lie.
He is punjsheri tajik with strong anti-pashtun views.He change his ethnicity for votes but badly failed.
All these leaders are pupets,corrupts and useles for all people of afghanistan so it is not right to play ethnic card everywhere.
Some are on the payroll of isi,some with links to iran and west etc.
You sould think about the suffering of your people.
People need better health system,peace,education,jobs and food etc not war.

[Nokia_Apridy]

gadonwala PF ka ba BAned sha .......chay dasey mung shu laka chay ta

walekal .....

haga ka bya ba baned shay ya ba racist shay ya ba kafir...

[gadoonwal]

gadonwala PF ka ba BAned sha .......chay dasey mung shu laka chay ta

walekal .....

haga ka bya ba baned shay ya ba racist shay ya ba kafir...

haga sanga?
dasai koma gunah me kari de?
da forum da pakhtun pa nom de aw mung da haq laro chi khpal khyaalat/nazar sargand kro.mung da chaa sa spakawai kho nadia karai?
bala da chi ka ban sho na da kom janata ba bahar show.gham ba e da bada berai zubair ky.
rakhtya ba leeko da chaa perzad na da khpalia gatai aw malomato dapara.

[AFG21]

I saw the film and I think it was terrible
Especialy the rape scene it was terrible because I did't know that
somthing like this was happening in afghanistan and that such act was also done by a pashtun. But my father said that things like this uzbaks and thajiks did it more often that any other ethnic group in Afghanistan. Especilay those Mujahids.

[gadoonwal]

I saw the film and I think it was terrible
Especialy the rape scene it was terrible because I did't know that
somthing like this was happening in afghanistan and that such act was also done by a pashtun. But my father said that things like this uzbaks and thajiks did it more often that any other ethnic group in Afghanistan. Especilay those Mujahids.

These people have their political agenda behind .
Pashtuns are very respectfull to women.thats not true.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

dr abdullah,s supporters are majority non-pashtuns pls do,nt lie.

Abdullah have supporters mainly in the Kabul region. Majority of them are Pashtuns from eastern Afghanistan. From Jalalabad to Nangahar.

He is punjsheri tajik with strong anti-pashtun views.He change his ethnicity for votes but badly failed.

He is half-half. Can you please show us where he is anti or was anytime an animal?

All these leaders are pupets,corrupts and useles for all people of afghanistan so it is not right to play ethnic card everywhere.

Puppets of whom? How can they be puppets when they fight against the puppet regime and the Pakistani/Arab intervene in our country, making out of it a fifth province of Pakistan?!

Some are on the payroll of isi,some with links to iran and west etc.

Who of them? Have you sources for that claim? Just because he is a Darizuban he is an agent of Iran? That´s not a logic. Pashtuns always ran toward Pashauwar. Were they agents of Pakistan?

You sould think about the suffering of your people.

Who is my people? I don´t know them. I just know them as Afghanistan. The same do those persons. They fight for the rights of our people and the righst of our children and elders who have no food to survive the next months.

People need better health system,peace,education,jobs and food etc not war.

That´s true, but didn´t we have such things once a day? Oh yes, only during the evil soviet´s era and because all those things were products of infidels as the soviets were we had to destroy them. Sometimes I ask myself how Afghanistan would looks like if the British Empire had installed itself permanently there... possibly our country would had been like India? A very old ancient country but at the same time modern.