Kite Runner Debate thread

[graveyardofempires]

i didnt read the thread or anytihng i just read the stupid last line u post u ***** .

no need to read he is a typical pro iran *******.

he is a typical anti pashtun

[graveyardofempires]

Dostum´s mum is an Alizai Pashtun. Go and ask him. www.generaldostum.com That´s his own personal website. Qanuni has a Pashtun wife from Nangahar and two kids ... Massoud had a Pashtun mother that´s why he is also called with fully name as Naurozkhel. Just ask his brother or one of his sons on facebook. The problem with you guys is that you have some ethnical complexes. Without any reasons. Noone here is your enemy. Neither Massoud was nor any Hazara. Mostly, Pashtuns damaged non-Pashtuns. If today Pashtuns and Tajiks would kill eachother to which group should I side myself? To the Pashtuns becaus of my mother or to the Tajiks because of my father? To the Hazaras because they speak the same language as I do or to the Uzbeks who live closer to Darizubans than anyone? ... dear brother, please wake up. We live in the 21th century, no more in the medi-evil. Races, faiths, cultures and different languages do not count more. Only humanity! The man with the best charakter is god´s best friend.

peopel such as you are the bigges tfilth on the name of Afghanistan.

you guys even disgrace your mothers

[Azmaray]

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Was I wrong, brother? Taliban are hypocrites. They are ISI productions and thus satanic or Satan´s tool againt Muslims to fool Muslims with hyocrites. Just do yourself a favour and look for Gaysm among Taliban or Dandysm among Taliban. Taliban today even finance their war through prostitution of children and everyone they can grab.

you are fake and you are hypocrite .

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

You see brother, you insult me for nothing. I did say nothing against you or insulted this forum. That´s the problem we have with eachother. We do not trust eachother tough beeing from one house. With no reason you insult me. That is not what a Muslim should be like.

Asalamu alaikum

[Azmaray]

You see brother, you insult me for nothing. I did say nothing against you or insulted this forum. That´s the problem we have with eachother. We do not trust eachother tough beeing from one house. With no reason you insult me. That is not what a Muslim should be like.

Asalamu alaikum

you called me gay and u said im ISI and other stuff........ u insulted me .
in the other thread u said im not a pashtun and wardakis are not pashtun !! u insulted me .
:S

wasalam

[Nokia_Apridy]

azmaaray cool down......... tokay kaye...

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

you called me gay and u said im ISI and other stuff........ u insulted me .
in the other thread u said im not a pashtun and wardakis are not pashtun !! u insulted me .
:S

wasalam

You see! That´s a lie. That´s Kafari. Where did I told you that you are a gay? I wrote that among Taliban there are many gays. It is proven and many articles are written about them and their dandysm. Why should they hate the women but love men? Why should they beat women if they are not gays? That is worthy to get explained, right? If you can´t understand or accept facts because of your emotions I can help you there. It´s not even me who worked on Wardaki Pashtuns and their history but scholars who have more knowledge than we both together. So, if someone have insulted you (by which reason I don´t know) you should try to discuss it with him.

[Azmaray]

za cool down yama nokia lala

You see! That´s a lie. Where did I told you that you are a gay? If you can´t understand or accept facts because of your emotions I can help you there. It´s not even me who worked on Wardaki Pashtuns and their history but scholars who have more knowledge than we both together. So, if someone have insulted you (by which reason I don´t know) you should try to discuss it with him.

lol u said all the talibans are gay ?? and i am one of them :S

Because many of them are not originally Pashtuns. They were just adoptet through victory and living with them for many centuries. The Barakzai tribe f.ex are also not real Pashtuns. Just became Pashtunized through intermarriages with them. Originally, they are descandants of a certain group called after their chief Barcca (arabized Barak) who was an Uzbek. Many Pashtuns on the otherside of Afghanistan have either originally a dardic or Indian/Rajput origine. All of them became Pashtunized the last 500 years due the political changes and ethnical movings. Wardaks are mixed of Tajiks, Pashtuns, Hazaras and Nuristanis. That´s their original background. Wardak was not always known as Wardak. The original name of the region is ''Maidan'' or ''Kalan-Maidan''. Hazaras and other non-Pashtuns still use that word for the region. The term ''Wardaki'' was not an ethnical or tribal identification (it became one in the past 150 years) but a regional identity. The term is taken from Dari ''Paradagh-a'', the name of an ancient tomb that was once there. Today noone know where it´s situated. This was the beginning and the corruption of the term Paradagh-a to Wardak. The ''Wardak'' became the last 200 years slowly Pashtu-speakers. That is possibly the reason why the brother on the top said that they look like non-Pashtun Tajiks. Btw, my cousin had married a woman from Wardak. Tribes, specially new formed tribes that are not adoptet by the Ghalzai or Durani confederacy become either Kanlari, Ghurghust or an own branch. The Wardaks became a Kanlari because of their regional neighbourhood to the Abdalis to which they not belong, so they were categorized to Kanlaris.

Salam dear Toramana,

these are not my words but those of Morgenstierne and some other writers and scholars such as Friedrich Schimmel.

lol first u were sure like it was ur words then u changed cuz toramana gived u proofs that u r wrong so u Disowned of it . LOL

can u give me the books names or anything u got this info from ?
i want to learn how come i look like a pashtun while im not

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

You are a Pashtun because you speak in Pashtu and do Pashtu. Such an Hazara or Tajik can be a Pashtun if he do and speak Pashtu/n. That´s the law of Pashtuns. You should know that if you are a Pashtun. Even if you are a Pashtun but you can not speak Pashtu and do not Pashtu you ain´t a Pashtun. That´s everything and very easy. Me f.ex. one can´t count as a Pashtun because I can´t speak Pashtu tough my grand-father tell me that I am a better Pashtun than many other Pashtuns who claim to be a Pashtun. One point beeing a PASHTUN is having respect for others!

first u were sure like it was ur words then u changed cuz toramana gived u proofs that u r wrong so u Disowned of it

I did not change anything. If you tell me that 2+2=4 and I ask you where is the prove and you tell me that your teacher taught it to you would you change your words?

:P

Ps: I wrote ''among Taliban there are many gays''. I did not wrote all Taliban are gays or that you are a gay!

[Nokia_Apridy]

Mata Zma da Swal cha Zob rankro ?........

PUKHTUN rekhtya BARWA DA ?......kam chay Kitte runner khudalay da ?

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da zma pa khawra zma khelaf Sa tajob na da ?

[Azmaray]

I did not change anything. If you tell me that 2+2=4 and I ask you where is the prove and you tell me that your teacher taught it to you would you change your words?

:P

Ps: I wrote ''among Taliban there are many gays''. I did not wrote all Taliban are gays or that you are a gay!

im gona make easy and short

Ps: Taliban are gays. Why the prefere to be with men instead with women? Why they produce gay porns?

LIER :P

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Like I said before, I would rather trust family members from Afg/Pakistan, then news articles or whatever your getting your sources.

Bacha Bazi was eradicated during Taliban, and it's coming back in the northern provinces.

But Bacha Bazi is not the problem only of the north. Many warlords brought that from Pakistan. It is present in north and south. The Taliban self knew Bacha Bazi.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Did it come from Pakistan, or did this warlords bring it to Pakistan?

Your last statement, is pure fantasy fiction.

Do you even know what "Talib" means in Pashto? And it's not "student"

if you tend to draw an ethnical background on Bacha Bazi than you play a very wrong game, my friend.

Yes I know what Taliban means. Taliban is not even a Pashtu word. Taliban is Arabic with the ending -an which is taken from Dari which give the word a plural form. The first people who used the word Taliban were the Mujaheddin. Later the word became popular in a very negative sense ... you know it better than me. Bacha Bazi self is not native in northern Afghanistan but it was always attested in the tribal areas. This custom was brought to north by Gulbuddini warlords and Uzbeks. In the west we call it pedophilia. The Mangit ruler were famous beeing pedophiles, such as Nader Afshar. Such a custom is mostly widespreaden in tribal areas. No matter where, be it Afghanistan, Pakistan, Arabia, Oman, Jemen ...there such customs are normal things. In Pakistan you have their transvestites, homosexuality and Bacha Bazi. But this custom was not present in Afghanistan for 60 years long. It came back after 2005 or 2006. It´s not just a northern problem where only some warlords enjoy such a dirty custom. It´s a problem of the entire country, specially there where it is deep integrated in the society. Marrying a 7 years old girl to a 80years old man is not different, except the sex of the persons.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Well, the book is based on many true facts that he himself and anyone of us have experienced. The behave toward Hazara minorities, the war, the inter-ethnical conflicts and to all of these things even raping and homosexuality belong to this negative key-collections. We can self see everyday articles about Bacha Bazi, homosexuality, raping etc. No one can deny that. The book was written before anyone have ever read something about Bacha Bazi or homosexuality in Afghanistan. So wasn´t Husseini right with his novel? The novel is a critical work on the society of Afghanistan. That´s all. Homosexuality is wide spreaden. There are many articles where it stated that 60% of male in Afghanistan do practize homosexuality. Some of the warlords have adoptet some dirty habbits to keep young boys (''Dancing Boys'') and sleep with them just because they don´t like women or see them as dirty.

And yes, he is from father a Tajik and from mother a Pashtun.

Ps: Taliban are gays. Why the prefere to be with men instead with women? Why they produce gay porns?

You are completely 100% wrong. I was with Mr. Hosseini in some islands for a period of 5 days in 2008. He can verify our interactions. He is Qizilbashi in his roots. Moreover, he is a failed physician on top of this. We had a heated argument regarding the historical inaccuracies in his text. Mr. Mortensen, surprisingly, took my side against him. At the end of the day he left exasperated because he had been embarassed regarding the historicity of events. He looked like a moron when he left the room cursing.

I questioned him regarding the following:

1) The simplicity with which he depicts the Hazara Pashtun conflict: this conflict goes back to Genghis himself. There are also religious differences of opinion as some Hazaras devote themselves to the Shiite sect of Islam. This conflict also showed itself when various Hazara clan leaders sided with Najibullah. They also took arms from Persia and threw Pashtuns out of Bamiyaan:

"When the Afghan state broke down and the Soviets arrived, the Persians helped the Hazara arm, organize and throw the Pashtuns out of Bamiyan."

http://www.warlordsofafghanistan.com/hazara.php

2) He attempts to forge connections between the Taliban and Hitler as if these simply country boys that were the Taliban were motivated by some deeper darker ideology. He did this in order to make the American public feel good in a time period in which it was beginning to ask critical questions regarding this region. He did a massive disservice to the Afghan people by attempting to break this struggle down into dark versus light and good versus evil. He makes the Taliban character Asef swear fealty to Adolph Hitler. When I questioned this part of the text, he became enraged and screamed: "Im not a history professor! Its not my job to educate the people about history... Im a story teller!"

3) His wife attempted to clam the dispute by telling me that Khalid redeemed the Pashtuns at the end of the story when he made the main character Amir the hero. I reminded her that the lesson of his story is that the only good Pashtun is a persianized Pashtun who speaks Dari and is a nominal pashtun at best is the lesson others glean from this text.

4) What I was somewhat glad about was when Mr. Hosseini subsequently would admit during interviews that he does not speak on behalf of the Afghan people. He appeared on Colbert shortly after our meeting and made this point apparent.

5) Mr. Hosseini and wife were downing Heinekins like no one's business. He is hardly representative of the Afghan rural populace, much less the Pashtuns.

6) You are also likely someone who admires the clown Sideek Barmak. That a-s-s-hole made the movie "osama" in which he depicts Pashtuns as rapists and a little Tajik girl as a hero. The scene in which the old man has his way with the little girl and then jumps into some water well to perform ghusl in front of the whole family is sick and disgusting. No Pashtun worth his marbles would ever do that.

He clearly made a large sum of money when he created a movie and named it after the most wanted man in the world and then used it as a propaganda springboard.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

if you tend to draw an ethnical background on Bacha Bazi than you play a very wrong game, my friend.

Yes I know what Taliban means. Taliban is not even a Pashtu word. Taliban is Arabic with the ending -an which is taken from Dari which give the word a plural form. The first people who used the word Taliban were the Mujaheddin. Later the word became popular in a very negative sense ... you know it better than me. Bacha Bazi self is not native in northern Afghanistan but it was always attested in the tribal areas. This custom was brought to north by Gulbuddini warlords and Uzbeks. In the west we call it pedophilia. The Mangit ruler were famous beeing pedophiles, such as Nader Afshar. Such a custom is mostly widespreaden in tribal areas. No matter where, be it Afghanistan, Pakistan, Arabia, Oman, Jemen ...there such customs are normal things. In Pakistan you have their transvestites, homosexuality and Bacha Bazi. But this custom was not present in Afghanistan for 60 years long. It came back after 2005 or 2006. It´s not just a northern problem where only some warlords enjoy such a dirty custom. It´s a problem of the entire country, specially there where it is deep integrated in the society. Marrying a 7 years old girl to a 80years old man is not different, except the sex of the persons.

Your comments on Bacha bazi are based in pure and unadulterated ignorance. You are obviously the garden variety farsiban who appears to want to blame your dog's death, your mom's diminished paycheck, the creation of Satan, and all other ills on the doorstep of the ISI.

Had you done even a little reading on the history of Bacha Bazi you would have blushed at how stupid you look right now.

Eugene Schuyler discussed the roots of Bacha Bazi lie in Turkestani countries (i.e. where your roots are).

He discusses directly visualizing this phenomena in the 1870s:

"These batchas, or dancing-boys, are a recognised institution throughout the whole of the settled portions of Central Asia, though they are most in vogue in Bokhara and the neighbouring Samarkand. In the khanate of Khokand public dances have for some years been forbidden."

"These batchas are as much respected as the greatest singers and artistes are with us. Every movement they make is followed and applauded, and I have never seen such breathless interest as they excite, for the whole crowd seems to devour them with their eyes, while their hands beat time to every step. If a batcha condescends to offer a man a bowl of tea, the recipient rises to take it with a profound obeisance, and returns the empty bowl in the same way, addressing him only as Taxir, 'your Majesty', or Kulluk 'I am your slave'. Even when a batcha passes through the bazaar all who know him rise to salute him with hands upon their hearts, and the exclamation of Kulluk! and should he deign to stop and rest in any shop, it is thought a great honour."

Here is the link to the primary source with the quotes on page 132:

http://books.google.com/books?id=oLh...page&q&f=false

He goes on to describe that the Mullah class actually stepped in and banned this practice that was in vogue in your sick neck of the woods in Bukhara/Samarkand.

His book is called Turkestan and deals extensively with the sick roots of this practice coming straight from your homeland.

In the future, before you dare to claim that the tribal people started this practice bring us a primary classical source. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut.