Evolution theory contradicts the Quran and Hadiths

[faye]

it is still a theory as in elephants flying when no-one is looking, for me. this ape changed into this human while no-one was looking, but slowly. perhaps they were all different species.

[کیش]

Khusal

I havent been refuted, but people like you Scmitar and have been proved to not belief in certain parts of the Quran as it doesn't come in terms with your Scientific "Beliefs"

Obviously a materialistic atheist like LZ will belief in Anything nonsense presented too him, perhaps your an atheist too. If you are an Atheist, then I apologize if I assumed you were a Muslim.



PLEASE

Show me Islamic sources which says Muslims should not follow half the Quran? As what you losers say. Please do. Their is none, so good luck. Even if the lord says allegorical, where does it say not to belief in his words?


Like I said last thread, Stephen Hawkings is notably the "Smartest man in the world" and he doesn't belief in god, cause their isnt any "scientific evidence" of his existence. That is where your going to be headed.


Also,

After answering my above questions, please show me how Hanuman the Gorilla father of mankind will help the plight of Muslims. Your assaults and emotional blackmailing is not an answer.

[graveyardofempires]

I can absolutely guarantee that you know very little about the theory of evolution.
believe me i know quite enough to reject it.your response is typical of an atheist when confronted he will tell you "you dont knwo anything abotu evolution theory" as if it is a secret.

And I was not taught evolution in school. I was told that a Christian "Britisher" named Darwin said that we humans came from monkeys and while that may be true for a monkey like him, we are the descendants of human beings. I mean, if we came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys running around, right?
He wasnt quite a christian, he was more like a satanist,white supremacist,racist.


Think about this: If someone were to show me a Chihuahua and a Great Dane and say that these two are the same species, my instant and natural reaction would be to reject whatever he's saying. I mean, take a look for yourself. Everything about the two is different - the eyes, the ears, the faces, the colours, the sizes, etc, etc. But the fact is that we human beings have artificially evolved these two breeds of dogs from the same dog in only a matter of a few hundred years. Give it a billion years and see how different they can become! If we can do this ourselves in just a few hundred years, why is it impossible for it to happen in the wild in over a billion years?

Thats because we have done that to those dogs we mix them and not nature.That still doesnt mean those dogs evolved.Evolved is one something miraculousely turns into something else without intervention.



According to Gallup Polls and other surveys anywhere from between 95% to 99% of the top scientists of the world (most of whom are Christian and hence supposedly obligated by their religions to believe in Creationism) affirm that evolution is a scientific fact. These bodies include the American Association for the Advancement of Science (the largest scientific society in the world), the Royal Society and various other scientific bodies.

Gallop polls?LOL according to who?No where have i ever seen the term "evolution fact".Well since materialism is the thing of the age its only logical that these materialist "scientists"would think about their pockets.Just imagine if evolution was declared totally false,these "scientists" would go broke getting no money to do their "research".

During the early days of Islam, Turkish, Persian and Spanish Muslim scholars would accept scientific ideas despite the opposition from the orthodox clergy. The enlightened Abbasid and Moorish caliphs gave
patronage to such great minds and their civilizations flourished. However, from the 14th century onwards, the orthodox clergy gained the upper-hand and to this day, the Muslim world has not produce a single scientist that has made any substantial contribution to the field of science.

Again you are trying to act as if evolution theory or atheists have a monopoly on science which totally isnt.

how sure are you about that?and what made you think it was evolution theory or atheism the muslim civilisatioon flourish?

it was the Quran and Hadith.



faye, the word "theory" in the general sense has a drastically different meaning from the one that's used in the field of science.

In the general use of the word, a theory can be that elephants fly when no one's looking. But this can never be a scientific theory because this is not observable, empirically testable and repeatable. On the other hand, the progression/alteration of living organisms in a perfect sequence that can be tested through the fossil record, genetics and other means leads to the scientific theory of evolution.

Scientific theory is something good for scientist to waste alot of public tax money to do goose chasing while at it getting filty rich.

[khushal]

Dear Khushal
if you are right than why didnt charles darwin convert to islam,why is steven hawkings so much anti religion if islam teaches evolution theory?

why are mostly non religious people who believe in evolution theory?
Evolution theory is tricky and so is the devil,and i dont believe it was a muslim who was the first to present this theory as some very desperate people here say,it was long before.

wrora,

I'm only saying that the theory does not contradict the qaran and that it is the accepted theory of the origins of life. It has not been proven that the Qaran contradicts the theory of evolution. Evolution does not say humans came from a monkey but that all life(animals, plant, fish, bacteria) have a common ancestor, that we are all related. During the Golden Age of Islam, many scholarly works had been destroyed by the Mongols and we will probably never know how much knowledge they had. They have recently found writings in Baghdad dated to the late 12th century that had said that if you split the smallest unit of matter, so much energy would be released that it would destroy the whole city of Baghdad. This is Einsteins theory of E=mc^2. The Ancient Egyptians had calculated the exact circumference of the Earth meaning man knew that the earth was round over 5000 years ago. These theories and knowledge are ancient, they were not invented by secular Europeans like Kaish would have you believe.

Charles Darwin rejected his Christian beliefs not because Evolution contradicted the Bible but because so much of the bible was manipulated by man that many things in Science and Nature contradicted the man written bible. Charles Darwin never rejected the existence of God but he did reject the existence of God as written in the bible, his family would attend church while he went on Sunday walks because he realized that the church was preaching ridiculous descriptions of God. Stephen Hawkings is more of an anti christian since he too believes that the description of god in the bible is ridiculous. Hawkings was asked if he believed in God, he said yes but not the way it is described in the bible. He believes God is the Natural Laws that Govern the Universe. Christianity have died because its preaching the ridiculous and the irrational. Charles Darwin was and Stephen Hawkings is in so called christian land who were taught that God had hands and feet and eyes and sits on a throne and that Jesus(pbuh) was the son of God. you don't have to be the smartest person in the world to reject these ideas, they don't make sense.

We as Muslims must not fall into this trap. There are many secular pashtun on this forum who have rejected Islam because they have only been taught the Islam that is similar to the how the Christians were teaching Christianity. The only outcome of this approach is the loss of morality and be at the mercy of the immoral. The West has lost its morality and the planet is at its mercy. Muslims have to bring morality back into Science and Technology but they can only do it if they accept the teaching of the Qaran and accept the laws of nature, not as black magic like Kaish and I know many people like Kaish. My point is that Muslims have strayed from the teachings of the Qaran that makes it our duty to seek knowledge with open mindedness and this is the reason we are suffering and at the mercy of the immoral.

[کیش]

^^^

Stephen Hawkings did not say that, he said their is no scientific evidence of god. Also, how the big bang created itself and not by god.

You see these Science men are wasting their time. What's the point of all this if you ain't got no Deen in you? God luck in the after-life, E=MC^2 isn't going to help you.


You have ignores my questions several times.

Why would god waste his time and mentioned "created from clay" close to a dozen times in the Quran? Where does it say to ignore some parts of the Quran, and follow the other?

Do you like to make a scientific interpretation if god's verses, when god is the only one who knows the true meanings?


I love how you and the others bring the Quranic verses, which refers to The all-Mighty sitting in his throne. You clearly deny that and say it's false. Whether its the truth or false, your still making a unique interpretation of the Quranic verses. Which makes it suitable for you, and that is what God talks about in 3:7. Seeking it's Allegorical interpretation, while you do not know it's true interpretation as the knowledge is only with god

[khushal]

Khusal
I havent been refuted, but people like you Scmitar and have been proved to not belief in certain parts of the Quran as it doesn't come in terms with your Scientific "Beliefs"
Obviously a materialistic atheist like LZ will belief in Anything nonsense presented too him, perhaps your an atheist too. If you are an Atheist, then I apologize if I assumed you were a Muslim.
PLEASE
Show me Islamic sources which says Muslims should not follow half the Quran? As what you losers say. Please do. Their is none, so good luck. Even if the lord says allegorical, where does it say not to belief in his words?
Like I said last thread, Stephen Hawkings is notably the "Smartest man in the world" and he doesn't belief in god, cause their isnt any "scientific evidence" of his existence. That is where your going to be headed.
Also,
After answering my above questions, please show me how Hanuman the Gorilla father of mankind will help the plight of Muslims. Your assaults and emotional blackmailing is not an answer.

Kaish,
All your points have been refuted, you have to come up with new ones.

Dont worry about me, you are the one that's heading towards shirk. You believe in ridiculous notions as black magic and attribute divinity to Satan. If you teach your children this, it is extremely dangerous that they will reject your ridiculous ideas and become seculars. I know people that grew up in madrasas teaching them ridiculous ideas and when they came to the west, they have concluded that those ideas are irrational and have rejected their religion and are now following secular thoughts. They have replaced one irrationality with another irrationality. I am trying to bring them back to the teaching of the Qaran.

[کیش]

I haven't been refuted, if you want to try go on ahead. But please do not run-away.


Answer my questions, if you can't admit it then,


I'm heading towards shirk? While you give interpretations to Allegorical Quranic verses, which only the true knowledge is with god.


I highly doubt you have read the Quran. To many For-Dummy science books, most likely

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Scientific theory is something good for scientist to waste alot of public tax money to do goose chasing while at it getting filty rich.

Oh, is that why research scientists are so insanely rich? (sarcasm intended).


This is pretty epic, by the way. First you say this:

believe me i know quite enough to reject it.your response is typical of an atheist when confronted he will tell you "you dont knwo anything abotu evolution theory" as if it is a secret.

And then you say this:

Evolved is one something miraculousely turns into something else without intervention.

Which means you don't know the first thing about the scientific theory of evolution.

But please, do cite a scientific paper on evolution that says, "evolution is about something miraculously turning into something else without intervention". Firstly, there is no miraculous transformation. Change is gradual, as is proven by the fossil record. Secondly, there is a lot of intervention. Without a changing environment or a change in other external or internal factors, there would be hardly any change in species.

Thats because we have done that to those dogs we mix them and not nature.That still doesnt mean those dogs evolved.

So you agree that species can change and look vastly different from one another even though they might have a common ancestor (Chihuahuas and Great Danes are both descended from wolves), right?

Then you might wanna know this: Foxes, wolves, jackals and dogs are all part of the Canidae family and share a common ancestor and have later on evolved into different species millions of years ago and, in many cases, they can still inter-breed (which again proves their common descent). My point is that they evolved into different species in the wild, without human intervention. And, in a nutshell, that's what evolution does - it describes the diversity of life.

So with selective breeding, a 7 foot dog and a half-a-foot-dog can be created out of a common ancestor within the span of 500 years and similarly, in the span of 50 million years, basic canines can turn into groups of different subspecies such as foxes, wolves and jackals.

He wasnt quite a christian, he was more like a satanist,white supremacist,racist.

I couldn't care less what he was. But you have a couple of facts wrong here as well:

1 - Darwin didn't believe in the existence of a being known as Satan.
2 - The white supremacist ideas came decades after Darwin's death. If anything, Darwin only advocated that blacks, white and Asians had a common descent. The "Germans-have-bigger-skulls" ideology was pseudoscience and had nothing to do with Darwin even though Nazis would use "scientific" material to prove their superiority much in the same way that Al-Qaeda uses the Quran to justify blowing people in on the streets.

Gallop polls?LOL according to who?No where have i ever seen the term "evolution fact".Well since materialism is the thing of the age its only logical that these materialist "scientists"would think about their pockets.Just imagine if evolution was declared totally false,these "scientists" would go broke getting no money to do their "research".

Do you deliberately act ignorant does it come naturally to you?

The Royal Society. Have you really never heard of it? It was founded in 1660 and is one of the most respectable scientific bodies in the world. Just go through their list of fellows. The American Association for the Advancement of Science are the people behind the scientific journal, Science. They're the top American scientists, university professors, deans, researchers, etc.

And secondly, wrong. If any scientist today comes up with research that suggests and proves a theory that explains the diversity of life on earth, he will become the most famous scientist of the last and perhaps the next 100 years. To this day, creationists have huffed and puffed but have not come up with a single theory that explains or even attempts to prove their positions.

Again you are trying to act as if evolution theory or atheists have a monopoly on science which totally isnt.

Okay. Can you cite anything from any recognized scientific body that that overwhelmingly rejects evolution on scientific grounds?

how sure are you about that?and what made you think it was evolution theory or atheism the muslim civilisatioon flourish?

Huh? Atheism? Did I even mention the word "atheism"? All I said was that rational thought equals science, which is something even you won't dispute. I suggested that it was the quality of being open to "foreign" ideas and the flourishing and encouragement of diverse views that made the Medieval Caliphate great. Again, I'm sure you won't dispute this either.

[khushal]

^^^

Stephen Hawkings did not say that, he said their is no scientific evidence of god. Also, how the big bang created itself and not by god.

He said it.
Latest News - The Stephen Hawking Pages
KING: Do you believe in God?
HAWKING: Yes, I do, if by God you mean the embodiment of the laws that govern the universe.

You see he is rejecting the irrationality of the christian teachings. Most christians have rejected their religion and your mentality is on the same path.

You see these Science men are wasting their time. What's the point of all this if you ain't got no Deen in you? God luck in the after-life, E=MC^2 isn't going to help you.


You have ignores my questions several times.
Why would god waste his time and mentioned "created from clay" close to a dozen times in the Quran? Where does it say to ignore some parts of the Quran, and follow the other?
Do you like to make a scientific interpretation if god's verses, when god is the only one who knows the true meanings?
I love how you and the others bring the Quranic verses, which refers to The all-Mighty sitting in his throne. You clearly deny that and say it's false. Whether its the truth or false, your still making a unique interpretation of the Quranic verses. Which makes it suitable for you, and that is what God talks about in 3:7. Seeking it's Allegorical interpretation, while you do not know it's true interpretation as the knowledge is only with god

All your questions have been answered in the other thread, why bring them up again.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/science-29/why-creationism-farcical-evolution-meritable-scientific-concept-18463/

My main message to you is Blind faith eventually will be rejected, if not by you, then by your descendants. This is what happened to the Christians, this is unavoidable.

[graveyardofempires]

Oh, is that why research scientists are so insanely rich? (sarcasm intended).
they have turned "science" into business.


This is pretty epic, by the way. First you say this:



And then you say this:

I think you didnt get the joke part.



Which means you don't know the first thing about the scientific theory of evolution.


But please, do cite a scientific paper on evolution that says, "evolution is about something miraculously turning into something else without intervention". Firstly, there is no miraculous transformation. Change is gradual, as is proven by the fossil record. Secondly, there is a lot of intervention. Without a changing environment or a change in other external or internal factors, there would be hardly any change in species.

Fossil record is refuting evolution theory as it is showing that animals didnt change but stayed the same.
what you are talking about is adaptation,i do believe people can change with the environment but for example ,you can have a darker skin tone if you are living in an extreme hot weather.




So you agree that species can change and look vastly different from one another even though they might have a common ancestor (Chihuahuas and Great Danes are both descended from wolves), right?

when i walk down the street and i see alot of flowers in people's garden and these flowers dont smell because they have been mixed with other plants.Does that mean the flowers evolved into something else?

Then you might wanna know this: Foxes, wolves, jackals and dogs are all part of the Canidae family and share a common ancestor and have later on evolved into different species millions of years ago and, in many cases, they can still inter-breed (which again proves their common descent). My point is that they evolved into different species in the wild, without human intervention. And, in a nutshell, that's what evolution does - it describes the diversity of life.
I dont believe that and that is again the punchline.
these so called scientist always mention billions of years or it takes enormous amount of years for evolution to happen.
in another thousand years they will have other theories.

So with selective breeding, a 7 foot dog and a half-a-foot-dog can be created out of a common ancestor within the span of 500 years and similarly, in the span of 50 million years, basic canines can turn into groups of different subspecies such as foxes, wolves and jackals.
That is still doen through inter breading and not theough the process of evolution theory.






I couldn't care less what he was. But you have a couple of facts wrong here as well:

1 - Darwin didn't believe in the existence of a being known as Satan.
Thats what most satanist tell people,the whole trick of satan is to tell people God doesnt exist which also means satan doesnt exist.

2 - The white supremacist ideas came decades after Darwin's death. If anything, Darwin only advocated that blacks, white and Asians had a common descent. The "Germans-have-bigger-skulls" ideology was pseudoscience and had nothing to do with Darwin even though Nazis would use "scientific" material to prove their superiority much in the same way that Al-Qaeda uses the Quran to justify blowing people in on the streets.

and that whites were the most evolved
that was a ridiculous comparisen.




Do you deliberately act ignorant does it come naturally to you?
Just being realistic

The Royal Society. Have you really never heard of it? It was founded in 1660 and is one of the most respectable scientific bodies in the world. Just go through their list of fellows. The American Association for the Advancement of Science are the people behind the scientific journal, Science. They're the top American scientists, university professors, deans, researchers, etc.

But those are your pundits and your church which you are pushing so why do you want me to believe them?
If they believe in evolution theory their degrees should be rechecked but offcourse its more political than scientific.


And secondly, wrong. If any scientist today comes up with research that suggests and proves a theory that explains the diversity of life on earth, he will become the most famous scientist of the last and perhaps the next 100 years. To this day, creationists have huffed and puffed but have not come up with a single theory that explains or even attempts to prove their positions.

the diversity of life is not as complicated as you make it sound.
thats why i say ,some people know how and why,than start the research and some go blind and make up stuff as they go and the second group is highly corrupt as well.




Okay. Can you cite anything from any recognized scientific body that that overwhelmingly rejects evolution on scientific grounds?

recognized by who?Evolutionists have been proven to be frauds.
they even tried to forge a transitional form.





Huh? Atheism? Did I even mention the word "atheism"? All I said was that rational thought equals science, which is something even you won't dispute. I suggested that it was the quality of being open to "foreign" ideas and the flourishing and encouragement of diverse views that made the Medieval Caliphate great. Again, I'm sure you won't dispute this either.

offcourse i dont dispute that but believing something(evolution theory) without proof is not rational thinking.

[کیش]

He said it.
Latest News - The Stephen Hawking Pages
KING: Do you believe in God?
HAWKING: Yes, I do, if by God you mean the embodiment of the laws that govern the universe.

You see he is rejecting the irrationality of the christian teachings. Most christians have rejected their religion and your mentality is on the same path.



All your questions have been answered in the other thread, why bring them up again.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/science-29/why-creationism-farcical-evolution-meritable-scientific-concept-18463/

My main message to you is Blind faith eventually will be rejected, if not by you, then by your descendants. This is what happened to the Christians, this is unavoidable.

I don't have blind faith, I don't need man's science for me to know their is an all mighty god, unlike people like you.


My message to you is you need an Intermediary for you to belief in god.

[کیش]

I have also noticed you use words like "Blind Faith".

Seriously, how dare you say that. Was the first believers of Muhammad (PBUH) Blind followers? They did receive anything special (in a worldy sense) for "blindly" following. All they needed to believe in the All-Mighty Lord, is the miraculous words of the Holy Quran.

[Alchemist]

astaghafirallah...
lol

you guys are still at this?

[Afghanistan2010]

Asalam alykum wr wb to the muslim brothers,

i guess these guys are believing in stoneage ? hahahahahah which never existed.



People in former times were much more educated than that of today , they had knowledge in huge ,like Al khidr and other people who also were blessed by Allah.

Like Suleiman (a.s) and his armies that were faster than the twinker of the eye to carry someone.

Like the people in former Egypt who build models of Planes.

Like the people of other former nations in times of Zulqarnain that created walls out of melting iron in huge masses.

and and

there was no such as stoneage.

lol

Evoultion is for itself a joke that is in the brains of some stupid retared minds like that of darwin who went crazy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I don't have blind faith, I don't need man's science for me to know their is an all mighty god, unlike people like you.


My message to you is you need an Intermediary for you to belief in god.

If it's "man's science" how is it that it works independently of human influence, how do computers and electricity work? How is it most of the theories of literal interpretations have been proven completely false and inaccurate BY science. Not just the idea of humans being made by clay, but things such as the Earth being held up by invisible pillars; if we took it as being literal, would be completely wrong.

If you think science is an "intermediary", then why did God send Prophets, are they also not intermediaries BY DEFINITION, since it's not God "directly" corresponding to mankind? and isn't science merely just studying Nature ...and how Nature works...and isn't God responsible for the functions and operations of Nature?

the problem with your argument is that it seems ignore these important questions and fall into many internal contradictions as a result,