Evolution theory contradicts the Quran and Hadiths

[ScimitarXEdge]

You have already crossed the line, and now are accusing me of writing the Quran. This shows your opposition for the words there
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nope not at all, because the words there are proven by the Qur'an and other sources to be Metaphoric
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so I'm arguing against YOUR INTERPRETATION ....YOU ...not the Qur'an or Islam

YOU ....just cuz you post verses doesnt mean the way YOU understand them is right

because when I read these verses and compare it to other parts of the Qur'an it's clear it's a metaphor

stop trying to equate your views with Allah(swt) ....you're commiting SHIRK.

[Afghanistan2010]

YOU just proved my point again by focusing on me, but I, myself, have not made ANY argument at ALL. If you are arguing, then be honest, because you are arguing against the Quran. You avoid addressing it directly. Why? This is what the Quran says below from Al-Imran 3:59. You have already crossed the line, and now are accusing me of writing the Quran. This shows your opposition for the words there


(Al-Imran 3: 59) " The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was."

Abu Musa narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Allah created Adam from a handful of dust taken from different lands, so the children of Adam have been created according to the composition of the land. Therefore from mankind we have white, red, black and yellow ones; we have good and evil, ease and sorrow, and what comes in between them."

Abu Hurairah narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Allah created Adam from dust after He mixed the clay and left him for some time until it became sticky mud, after which Allah shaped him. After that Allah left him till it became like potter's clay. Iblis used to go past him saying 'You have been created for a great purpose.' After that Allah breathed His spirit into him. The first thing into which the spirit passed was his eye and then his nose. He sneezed. Allah said: "May your Lord have mercy upon you, O Adam! Go to those angels and see what they would say.' So Adam went and greeted them. they replied saying: "Peace be upon you and the mercy and blessings of Allah." Allah said: "O Adam! This is your greeting and that of your offspring."

"and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)

Prophet (pbuh): "I warn you of the newly invented matters (in the religion),and every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire"
(an-Nasaa'ee)

Allah(swt) says "and whosoever contends with the Messenger after guidance has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than the way of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil destination!"

Prophet (pbuh) said "and you will live to see great difference, so cling to my sunnah and the sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs after me, even if it be with your teeth" (Bukhari)


"or do they have partners that legislate some religion which Allaah has not given permission for?"

(Surah Ash-Shura 42:21)

Asalam alykum wr wb,

from your brother with the sharpen khanjar,i honestly advise you to not waste your beautiful and important time with this apostate for he is openly from the az Zalimun , and those who Allah says their eyes are blind and their ears are deaf and their hearts are sealed.

He follows his own desires and interpretations he does not follow Allah and his Messenger (pbuh).

He follows a deviant apostate group which was destroyed by Abu Hanifa (rah) and other great scholars so they were splitted and destroyed and remained only in some parts.

They do not even understand the quran nor they can read it but they show off and try to explain you while they have no knowledge in Arabic Language,Poetry and Islamic Science.

Wasalam

[khushal]

Asalam alykum wr wb,

from your brother with the sharpen khanjar,i honestly advise you to not waste your beautiful and important time with this apostate for he is openly from the az Zalimun , and those who Allah says their eyes are blind and their ears are deaf and their hearts are sealed.

He follows his own desires and interpretations he does not follow Allah and his Messenger (pbuh).

He follows a deviant apostate group which was destroyed by Abu Hanifa (rah) and other great scholars so they were splitted and destroyed and remained only in some parts.

They do not even understand the quran nor they can read it but they show off and try to explain you while they have no knowledge in Arabic Language,Poetry and Islamic Science.

Wasalam

How do you know it is not your eyes that are blind and your ears that are deaf. there is evidence that all life on earth have a common ancestor. The qaran does not contradict what is evidence in nature. It is people with this backward mentality that will leave muslims at the mercy of the imperialists because they have been brainwashed to reject natural sciences and mathematics.

because of this backwards thinking, muslims are forced into desperate tactics such as suicide bombings because muslims don't have the technological skills to fight back.

[کیش]

^^^^

Are you seriously comparing a Donkey-Kong theory, to suicide bombing.

Just saying, I could care less what you dudes belief in anymore.

[khushal]

^^^^

Are you seriously comparing a Donkey-Kong theory, to suicide bombing.

Just saying, I could care less what you dudes belief in anymore.

Its your mentality of the rejection of natural sciences and mathematics and your belief in black magic that has put the muslim society in such desperation. Suicide tactics are that of a desperate people.

[کیش]

And believing in Hanuman the monkey father of mankind is going to rise muslims like a Pheonix?

How about Muslims throw out their Nationalistic pride, and unite under one banner first.

[Afghanistan2010]

And believing in Hanuman the monkey father of mankind is going to rise muslims like a Pheonix?

How about Muslims throw out their Nationalistic pride, and unite under one banner first.

Complete ownage.

We dont reject science or maths but we reject being from monkies we believe in that what is already clearfied to us by our Prophet (pbuh) and the prophets (pbut) before him and in the noble Quran :P

Science is changing daily,some 10 years ago People believed that the homo was first sighted 150 000 years ago but new funds date it to 400 000 years ago and newly found remaining date it that the first homo according to them was not in Africa but in Caucasus/Chechnya.

[khushal]

Complete ownage.

We dont reject science or maths but we reject being from monkies we believe in that what is already clearfied to us by our Prophet (pbuh) and the prophets (pbut) before him and in the noble Quran :P

Science is changing daily,some 10 years ago People believed that the homo was first sighted 150 000 years ago but new funds date it to 400 000 years ago and newly found remaining date it that the first homo according to them was not in Africa but in Caucasus/Chechnya.

Our prophet(pbuh) has clarified to us to not reject what is in nature. Science is not changing, New evidence is being found and technological advances have helped humanity better understand nature.

But Kaish is a person that believes Science is black magic that satan is using to fool man kind. He is attributing Allahs powers to satan which is shirk.

[faye]

not believing in the theory of evolution does not mean one rejects all of science and mathematics.
some of what science has produced is definitely 'black', as in 'bad' and i am annoyed that more scientists are not whistleblowers, like the scientists who have spoken out about depleted uranium.
from what i have read, some primitive people already knew many things that science is now verifying eg; natural medicines, that animals communicate with each other (duhh) and more. quantum mechanics (i think it is) is saying what buddhists and others have claimed for centuries.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Like I said early, what and how will believing in Evolution help the plight of Muslims?

How will believing in gravity, the water cycle, photosynthesis and the laws of thermodynamics help the plight of your people?

Does the theory of evolution negate Islamic beliefs? That's debatable because you have literalists and then you have people who interpret scripture as metaphorical.

The theory of evolution, along with all the other theories of science, do not need people to believe in them so that they can be validated or invalidated. The fact is that scientists from all over the world say that species gradually change. They have provided a lot of empirical evidence for this claim, which cannot be ignored.

You people (those that deny scientific facts) are like the same people in the Middle-Ages who would burn to death anyone who said that the earth was not at the center of the universe. Think rationally. Just go over the evidence once instead of falling for emotional blackmailing.

[faye]

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You people (those that deny scientific facts) are like the same people in the Middle-Ages who would burn to death anyone who said that the earth was not at the center of the universe. [/QUOTE]

isn't this an attempt at emotional blackmailing? evolution is a THEORY not necessarily a FACT. it might be true, i don't know but it hasn't been proven to my satisfaction.
i don't believe in it and i don't want to burn anyone at the stake either.

[khushal]

Khusal



You are bemused, you are reading things from science which contradict the Quran.

Belief it or not, but the reference of man created from clay is mentioned close to a dozen times in the Quran. If you delusional and have been reading to many science books, you will say those verses aren't literal. If you are going that deep in saying such blasphemy, soon you will say the Quran isn't literal.

Like I said early, what and how will believing in Evolution help the plight of Muslims?

Your going in circles, your points have already been refuted.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/science-29/why-creationism-farcical-evolution-meritable-scientific-concept-18463/

But if you believe that everything in the Qaran is completely literal, then you are like the Christians that believe God sits on a throne with eyes and hands and feet. The reason that Christians have rejected their religion and replaced it with secularism is because of this ridiculous idea. If you stay on this path Kaish, there is a danger your children will also reject the unrealistic Islam you preach and they also will become seculars. I know many Muslims or children of Muslims like yourself that have fallen into this trap. Think about what your saying. This is what Satan does,, he does not have power of the divine, he whispers to you a ridiculous idea so your children would reject this ridiculous idea that you mistakenly label as Islam.

[graveyardofempires]

How will believing in gravity, the water cycle, photosynthesis and the laws of thermodynamics help the plight of your people?

Does the theory of evolution negate Islamic beliefs? That's debatable because you have literalists and then you have people who interpret scripture as metaphorical.

The theory of evolution, along with all the other theories of science, do not need people to believe in them so that they can be validated or invalidated. The fact is that scientists from all over the world say that species gradually change. They have provided a lot of empirical evidence for this claim, which cannot be ignored.

You people (those that deny scientific facts) are like the same people in the Middle-Ages who would burn to death anyone who said that the earth was not at the center of the universe. Think rationally. Just go over the evidence once instead of falling for emotional blackmailing.

can you show us some evidence and why would people waste time on a theory if they know it is false from beginning?

why havent the fish changed.i can understand you guys have had Biology at your schools which taught you evolution theory and i had the same education.I know those big posters in biology class which fantasize about evolution theory looks apealing.I understand you dont want to admit that what you were taught could be wrong.

btw who said evolution theory has a monopoly on science or the people who dont believe in allah have monopoly on science?

as far as i know science comes from religion and not from lack of it.

[graveyardofempires]

Your going in circles, your points have already been refuted.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/science...concept-18463/

But if you believe that everything in the Qaran is completely literal, then you are like the Christians that believe God sits on a throne with eyes and hands and feet. The reason that Christians have rejected their religion and replaced it with secularism is because of this ridiculous idea. If you stay on this path Kaish, there is a danger your children will also reject the unrealistic Islam you preach and they also will become seculars. I know many Muslims or children of Muslims like yourself that have fallen into this trap. Think about what your saying. This is what Satan does,, he does not have power of the divine, he whispers to you a ridiculous idea so your children would reject this ridiculous idea that you mistakenly label as Islam.

Dear Khushal
if you are right than why didnt charles darwin convert to islam,why is steven hawkings so much anti religion if islam teaches evolution theory?

why are mostly non religious people who believe in evolution theory?
Evolution theory is tricky and so is the devil,and i dont believe it was a muslim who was the first to present this theory as some very desperate people here say,it was long before.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

can you show us some evidence and why would people waste time on a theory if they know it is false from beginning?

why havent the fish changed.i can understand you guys have had Biology at your schools which taught you evolution theory and i had the same education.I know those big posters in biology class which fantasize about evolution theory looks apealing.I understand you dont want to admit that what you were taught could be wrong.

I can absolutely guarantee that you know very little about the theory of evolution. And I was not taught evolution in school. I was told that a Christian "Britisher" named Darwin said that we humans came from monkeys and while that may be true for a monkey like him, we are the descendants of human beings. I mean, if we came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys running around, right?

Think about this: If someone were to show me a Chihuahua and a Great Dane and say that these two are the same species, my instant and natural reaction would be to reject whatever he's saying. I mean, take a look for yourself. Everything about the two is different - the eyes, the ears, the faces, the colours, the sizes, etc, etc. But the fact is that we human beings have artificially evolved these two breeds of dogs from the same dog in only a matter of a few hundred years. Give it a billion years and see how different they can become! If we can do this ourselves in just a few hundred years, why is it impossible for it to happen in the wild in over a billion years?

btw who said evolution theory has a monopoly on science or the people who dont believe in allah have monopoly on science?

as far as i know science comes from religion and not from lack of it.

According to Gallup Polls and other surveys anywhere from between 95% to 99% of the top scientists of the world (most of whom are Christian and hence supposedly obligated by their religions to believe in Creationism) affirm that evolution is a scientific fact. These bodies include the American Association for the Advancement of Science (the largest scientific society in the world), the Royal Society and various other scientific bodies.

During the early days of Islam, Turkish, Persian and Spanish Muslim scholars would accept scientific ideas despite the opposition from the orthodox clergy. The enlightened Abbasid and Moorish caliphs gave
patronage to such great minds and their civilizations flourished. However, from the 14th century onwards, the orthodox clergy gained the upper-hand and to this day, the Muslim world has not produce a single scientist that has made any substantial contribution to the field of science.

isn't this an attempt at emotional blackmailing? evolution is a THEORY not necessarily a FACT. it might be true, i don't know but it hasn't been proven to my satisfaction.
i don't believe in it and i don't want to burn anyone at the stake either.

faye, the word "theory" in the general sense has a drastically different meaning from the one that's used in the field of science.

In the general use of the word, a theory can be that elephants fly when no one's looking. But this can never be a scientific theory because this is not observable, empirically testable and repeatable. On the other hand, the progression/alteration of living organisms in a perfect sequence that can be tested through the fossil record, genetics and other means leads to the scientific theory of evolution.