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  • #16
    Originally posted by checkmate View Post
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    It is clear in the Quran.
    "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)

    Is the meaning not crystal clear above? Is there something that you can further extrapolate out of this? NO. It is understandable, and there is nothing else to it, no other meaning at all besides what the words convey to us.

    the Quran and Hadith, thats all there is, nothing extra. Introducing whims has been warned against.

    Allah(swt) says "and whosoever contends with the Messenger after guidance has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than the way of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil destination!"

    But contending with the Prophet does not mean conflicting with the interpretations of Jahils who parade themselves as knowledgeable . The only thing we're contending is weak interpretations by Kharijis and similar groups.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by checkmate View Post

      There is no argument to make since I go by what the Quran says, and not against it. Allah(swt) made us into many tribes, He also made many different beings.
      But your argument is weak because it's YOUR UNDERSTANDINGof what YOU THINK the Qur'an says, which is flawed and weak; which makes it totally different from the words of God

      so none of the verses you quote or ahadith actually support your argument; but rather fall into Logical Fallacy because you have no basis to support that your Understanding is the valid one.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by checkmate View Post
        "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)


        Prophet (pbuh): "I warn you of the newly invented matters (in the religion),and every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire"
        (an-Nasaa'ee)


        Allah(swt) says "and whosoever contends with the Messenger after guidance has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than the way of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil destination!"

        Prophet (pbuh) said "and you will live to see great difference, so cling to my sunnah and the sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs after me, even if it be with your teeth"
        (Bukhari)



        "or do they have partners that legislate some religion which Allaah has not given permission for?"
        (Surah Ash-Shura 42:21)
        My reasoning is clear as it is stated in the Quran from the single verse (Al: Imran 3:59).
        (Al-Imran 3: 59) " The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was."

        There is no argument to be made unless you deny what the Quran says, and try to change the meaning of the Quran which is shirk. Anyone who tries to change the literal meaning of the Quran is an apostate.

        The Prophet, saaws, has said: "If anyone introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. the religion of Islam) anything which does not belong to it, he will have it rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih

        The Prophet, saaws, said: "Whoever does an action which we (Allah and His Messenger) have not commanded it will be rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih]

        I have then showed the Hadiths which I did not have to do, but they further reemphasize the creation of Adam.


        The literal interpretation is that Allah(swt) said Be, and Adam was there.

        To try to attribute some lengthy process to the creation of Adam and Eve is to then deny what is said in the Quran. If you can change this aspect, you can then go and change the others.

        "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided." [Surah Al-Imrân 3:103].


        There is no argument to make since I go by what the Quran says, and not against it. Allah(swt) made us into many tribes, He also made many different beings.
        the above addressed people like you who seek to go against the Quran, and change its meaning. You arguments are non-existent because you are contradicting what is stated in the Quran.

        Repeating yourself, and claiming my argument is weak doesn't do you and your Mutazilah deviancy any good.

        I have no argument, just the Quran and the Hadiths

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
          But contending with the Prophet does not mean conflicting with the interpretations of Jahils who parade themselves as knowledgeable . The only thing we're contending is weak interpretations by Kharijis and similar groups.
          "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)


          Prophet (pbuh): "I warn you of the newly invented matters (in the religion),and every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire"
          (an-Nasaa'ee)


          Allah(swt) says "and whosoever contends with the Messenger after guidance has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than the way of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil destination!"

          Prophet (pbuh) said "and you will live to see great difference, so cling to my sunnah and the sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs after me, even if it be with your teeth"
          (Bukhari)



          "or do they have partners that legislate some religion which Allaah has not given permission for?"
          (Surah Ash-Shura 42:21)
          My reasoning is clear as it is stated in the Quran from the single verse (Al: Imran 3:59).
          (Al-Imran 3: 59) " The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was."

          There is no argument to be made unless you deny what the Quran says, and try to change the meaning of the Quran which is shirk. Anyone who tries to change the literal meaning of the Quran is an apostate.

          The Prophet, saaws, has said: "If anyone introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. the religion of Islam) anything which does not belong to it, he will have it rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih

          The Prophet, saaws, said: "Whoever does an action which we (Allah and His Messenger) have not commanded it will be rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih]

          I have then showed the Hadiths which I did not have to do, but they further reemphasize the creation of Adam.


          The literal interpretation is that Allah(swt) said Be, and Adam was there.

          To try to attribute some lengthy process to the creation of Adam and Eve is to then deny what is said in the Quran. If you can change this aspect, you can then go and change the others.

          "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided." [Surah Al-Imrân 3:103].


          There is no argument to make since I go by what the Quran says, and not against it. Allah(swt) made us into many tribes, He also made many different beings.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
            But your argument is weak because it's YOUR UNDERSTANDINGof what YOU THINK the Qur'an says, which is flawed and weak; which makes it totally different from the words of God

            so none of the verses you quote or ahadith actually support your argument; but rather fall into Logical Fallacy because you have no basis to support that your Understanding is the valid one.
            I showed you the Quranic verse and hadiths in the original post, but you could not answer it. All you did was change the meaning, and talk about "this may, this could be" "ifs and buts" you try maliciously to change the meaning of the Quran.

            Is that all you can do? Tell me that my argument is weak and flawed. Repeating those words like a Shaitan does not make a difference at all. I have no argument. I have the Quran and the Hadiths.


            "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)


            Prophet (pbuh): "I warn you of the newly invented matters (in the religion),and every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire"
            (an-Nasaa'ee)


            Allah(swt) says "and whosoever contends with the Messenger after guidance has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than the way of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil destination!"

            Prophet (pbuh) said "and you will live to see great difference, so cling to my sunnah and the sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs after me, even if it be with your teeth"
            (Bukhari)



            "or do they have partners that legislate some religion which Allaah has not given permission for?"
            (Surah Ash-Shura 42:21)
            My reasoning is clear as it is stated in the Quran from the single verse (Al: Imran 3:59).
            (Al-Imran 3: 59) " The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was."

            There is no argument to be made unless you deny what the Quran says, and try to change the meaning of the Quran which is shirk. Anyone who tries to change the literal meaning of the Quran is an apostate.

            The Prophet, saaws, has said: "If anyone introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. the religion of Islam) anything which does not belong to it, he will have it rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih

            The Prophet, saaws, said: "Whoever does an action which we (Allah and His Messenger) have not commanded it will be rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih]

            I have then showed the Hadiths which I did not have to do, but they further reemphasize the creation of Adam.


            The literal interpretation is that Allah(swt) said Be, and Adam was there.

            To try to attribute some lengthy process to the creation of Adam and Eve is to then deny what is said in the Quran. If you can change this aspect, you can then go and change the others.

            "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided." [Surah Al-Imrân 3:103].


            There is no argument to make since I go by what the Quran says, and not against it. Allah(swt) made us into many tribes, He also made many different beings.
            Last edited by Guest; 08-07-2011, 07:27 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
              But your argument is weak because it's YOUR UNDERSTANDINGof what YOU THINK the Qur'an says, which is flawed and weak; which makes it totally different from the words of God

              so none of the verses you quote or ahadith actually support your argument; but rather fall into Logical Fallacy because you have no basis to support that your Understanding is the valid one.
              Here is a sample of what you say:
              So this verse actually shows that Isa and Adam were both made from earthly matter, and that the story of Isa and Adam's birth is just an analogy/metaphor


              The hadith about the different soils of the Earth is even more consistent with evolution
              So now you further question Prophet Isa's(pbuh) birth which was a miracle? A sure sign of the kufr.

              ^All you do is present your opinion and you add nonsense to prove your deviancy. No where do you show the Quran and Hadith supporting your deviancy because you cant. All you can do is try to change the Quran and the Hadith, a form of apostasy. The Quran could not be changed by Mutazilahs or any of the innovators. You talk on whims, nothing else. You then disguise it, and talk about understandings. Let me remind you the Quranic verses and Hadiths I present are there. They are not my words you fool.

              Munafiqs try to change the Quran.

              I don't know what you consider as my "argument" as I have none whatsoever. I show Quranic verses and Hadiths in the original post. Do you consider those Quranic verses and Hadiths my "argument?" Do you know what exactly you are saying? All you did was prove your deviancy and therefore expose your nature even more by talking about HYPOTHETICALS and CHANGING the meaning of what Allah(swt) says.
              You talking about "this is more consistent" just goes to show the nature of your own deviancy.

              Belief in evolution is a form of apostasy for a Muslim since it directly conflicts and denies what has been told to us in the Quran and the verifying Hadiths.


              (Al-Imran 3: 59)
              " The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was."

              This
              tells us that Adam was directly produced from clay (earth) and was not born to a father and a mother.

              Some important hadiths to further clarify the matter and put it to rest.


              Abu Musa narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Allah created Adam from a handful of dust taken from different lands, so the children of Adam have been created according to the composition of the land. Therefore from mankind we have white, red, black and yellow ones; we have good and evil, ease and sorrow, and what comes in between them."


              Abu Hurairah narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Allah created Adam from dust after He mixed the clay and left him for some time until it became sticky mud, after which Allah shaped him. After that Allah left him till it became like potter's clay. Iblis used to go past him saying 'You have been created for a great purpose.' After that Allah breathed His spirit into him. The first thing into which the spirit passed was his eye and then his nose. He sneezed. Allah said: "May your Lord have mercy upon you, O Adam! Go to those angels and see what they would say.' So Adam went and greeted them. they replied saying: "Peace be upon you and the mercy and blessings of Allah." Allah said: "O Adam! This is your greeting and that of your offspring."



              and the below collection of Quranic verses and Hadiths talk about those who are innovators. This is no interpretation of mine. This is what the Quran and the Hadiths say.

              "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)


              Prophet (pbuh): "I warn you of the newly invented matters (in the religion),and every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire"
              (an-Nasaa'ee)


              Allah(swt) says "and whosoever contends with the Messenger after guidance has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than the way of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil destination!"

              Prophet (pbuh) said "and you will live to see great difference, so cling to my sunnah and the sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs after me, even if it be with your teeth"
              (Bukhari)



              "or do they have partners that legislate some religion which Allaah has not given permission for?"
              (Surah Ash-Shura 42:21)
              My reasoning is clear as it is stated in the Quran from the single verse (Al: Imran 3:59).
              (Al-Imran 3: 59) " The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was."

              There is no argument to be made unless you deny what the Quran says, and try to change the meaning of the Quran which is shirk. Anyone who tries to change the literal meaning of the Quran is an apostate.

              The Prophet, saaws, has said: "If anyone introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. the religion of Islam) anything which does not belong to it, he will have it rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih

              The Prophet, saaws, said: "Whoever does an action which we (Allah and His Messenger) have not commanded it will be rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih]

              I have then showed the Hadiths which I did not have to do, but they further reemphasize the creation of Adam.


              The literal interpretation is that Allah(swt) said Be, and Adam was there.

              To try to attribute some lengthy process to the creation of Adam and Eve is to then deny what is said in the Quran. If you can change this aspect, you can then go and change the others.

              "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur'ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided." [Surah Al-Imrân 3:103].


              There is no argument to make since I go by what the Quran says, and not against it. Allah(swt) made us into many tribes, He also made many different beings.
              Last edited by Guest; 08-07-2011, 07:49 PM.

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              • #22
                Repeating the same thing blindly does not add merit to your position

                your argument is that your superficial understanding of the Qur'an and the ahadith is what Allah(swt) is declaring. By simply posting the verses and hadith you assume that those verses and ahadith mean or imply YOUR shallow understanding. When in reality those verses and ahadith have many layers and depths based on context and the language used.

                If it was just that easy to merely "read a verse" or "ahadith" and have that proof; then people wouldn't have to study the Arabic language in detail to become a mufassir. Unlike you I'm not merely following my own conjecture, I look at the ahadith and verses from Logic, Nature...and the references of learned individuals who have strong qualifications on the subject.

                People who know the Arabic language understand the Qur'an's language style is unique and has different contexts based on whatis being discussed. In fact the Qur'an is it's own Tafsir...for one Verse may be describing one thing and seem one way, but another verse PROVES that verse means something totally different than what is apparent.

                for example ....the verse which talks about Adam(as) being made from clay like a potter, is not literal ...and this is explained by Surah Al Ikhlas; that God is not like the created Universe, he doesn't operate like his Creations, where he needs to sit around with clay to make something. Plus the verse which says "be and he was" ....cannot mean being literally made of clay because, being made of clay is not saying "be"' it's doing work.

                So Anyone who thinks and uses their brain on the subject can see you're actually pushing your Ideology on us ...and not actually Islam or the Qur'an; it is in fact YOU who are doing Shirk and trying to make your meanings as the meanings of God.

                You have accused others of kufr, but really you're performing Shirk Al Akbar.

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                • #23
                  Allah(swt) can make 50 elephants walk through a needle.

                  You avoided the Quran verses and Hadiths, and now you are saying that I am repeating when that is in fact all you are doing, and CAN do. Your the one arguing whereas I am presenting no argument at all. Im just listing the relevant Quran verses and Hadiths. You are arguing with those Quran verses, and then the Hadiths, by ascribing a meaning based on whims.

                  can you change the meaning to any verse from the Quran? NO

                  "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)

                  Can you change the above meaning which highlights people who deviate? NO Please try. If you can change the other meanings of verses to your own tune, then try this one. You see someone like you can change the whole meaning of the Quran.

                  All you have done is attempted to change them, and put question marks next to them. Telling me I am wrong proves nothing on your part since I, myself, am not arguing. You are arguing with the Quran, the word of Allah(swt)

                  Changing the meaning of something actually shows you have no case to make otherwise you would not have to do it in the first place.

                  You operate on whims.

                  Your first error is assuming I have an argument, and I have none, nor have I presented one, unless you consider the Quran verses and Hadiths as matters that YOU can argue about. Are you doing that?

                  Your supposed "argument" rests on assumptions, and not Quran verses. All you do is extrapolate and attempt to attach a meaning to a Quran verse in which evolution is 'supported' when it is not. The question you must ask yourself is why are you looking for verses that only 'support' (they don't exist), but NOT look for verses which in fact state that evolution is what gave rise to Adam? Since you are unable to do that, then like I said as aforementioned, all you then DO is assign another meaning to the Quran verses which are to YOUR OWN liking. I on the other hand will DARE not change or question any PART of the QURAN.

                  You see your 'argument" does not exist because there is no argument to be made.
                  Last edited by Guest; 08-08-2011, 01:03 AM.

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                  • #24
                    FYI, this Hadith is very important which describes this exact situation.

                    The Prophet, saaws, has said: "If anyone introduces into this affair of ours (i.e. the religion of Islam) anything which does not belong to it, he will have it rejected." [Reported by Muslim - Sahih

                    Last edited by Guest; 08-08-2011, 01:09 AM.

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                    • #25
                      That hadith applies more to you than anyone else because we know from the Arabic language of classical Arabic that Muhammad(saw) used idiomatic references...so by you taking everything literally you're doing bid'ah.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by checkmate View Post

                        "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)
                        Exactly, and this verse applies to people like you, because you want to push your agenda of dogma on others..and for us to ignore proof and evidence from nature and the phenomenon of the order of God's Governance over Creation (Natural Laws).

                        which means you're trying to promote blindness because it helps you stay lazy and not have to work, it also helps keep corrupt people in power because it leaves the people uneducated. Hence proving this is actually a verse about Kharijis like yourself.





                        Your supposed "argument" rests on assumptions, and not Quran verses.

                        on the contrary, your argument rests on superficial and ignorant understanding given to you by False Preachers, not the Qur'an itself....you place your own baseless understanding, without actually learning the fundmentals and you're following intellectually dishonest people who prevent you from understanding the Language of the Qur'an and the methodology of comprehending its message.

                        The verses you quote have almost nothing to do with your arguments. Or if they do it actually shows You're guilty of what the verses indicate and not the opposition. Qur'an also teaches us that Nature and the Universe are sources of information and this is proven by many verses. So really you're ignoring the Qur'an and denying what it is referring to.

                        "reason about the origin of the heavens and the earth" (Qur'an 3:190-191)

                        or even in this verse

                        3:190-191 Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for men of understanding. Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth.

                        You only follow the parts that are blindly taught to you ...without understanding. .....indeed the Qur'an is for people who understand, you don't understand it.


                        this means the label of kufr would apply to you, not others.
                        Last edited by ScimitarXEdge; 08-08-2011, 10:34 AM.

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                        • #27
                          To blindly follow a faith or belief is against the teaching of the quaran. One must be convinced through reason and logic. If ones interpretation of the quaran is against reason and logic, then that interpretation should be investigated. Lets not fall in to the same trap as the Christians. They followed their faith blindly without reason and without question which led to the inevitable collapse of their religion and is now replaced with secularism. It is our duty to protect Islam, to protect Truth instead of preaching irrational interpretations that condemns man into corruption and ignorance.

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                          • #28
                            I have only shown you Quran verses. I have not made any argument at all, and will not make any at all because there is NONE to MAKE.

                            If you are arguing, I will say it again, you are arguing with the Quran verses, not ME.

                            It appears when you have no argument, you ave this habit of focusing on the individual and making assumptions, and then repeating accusations that only

                            describe yourself. The fact is you have commented on this thread because your "points' are invalid and pathetic. So, you want me to "debate" you to prove

                            that you have points which you, yourself are not sure about otherwise you wouldn't keep saying "You have weak understanding." You are not speaking to me,

                            you are saying this to the Quran verses, and hence, you are then saying this to Allah(swt).

                            Look HOW MANY times you say "YOU." How about you start addressing each and every single Quran verse I posted earlier. You see, your so unsure of your

                            own opinion that you refuse to do it. Instead, you focus on me, but I have not spoken about myself at all. I just posted Quran verses and some Hadiths.

                            Continue
                            Last edited by Guest; 08-09-2011, 02:25 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by checkmate View Post
                              I have only shown you Quran verses. I have not made any argument at all, and will not make any at all because there is NONE to MAKE.

                              but your understanding and interpretation is flawed. THere's nothing wrong with the verses; but how what's wrong is what you think they refer to.

                              If you are arguing, I will say it again, you are arguing with the Quran verses, not ME.

                              No I'm arguing against YOUR interpretation; not the Qur'an.....please Fear Allah(swt) and stop using your Flawed Jahili ideas as being equal to God's words.

                              this is shirk Al akbar. and makes you an enemy of Islam who must fought


                              It appears when you have no argument, you ave this habit of focusing on the individual and making assumptions, and then repeating accusations that only
                              Because it's the individual who makes these interpretations and assumes that their flawed or shallow understandings are what Allah(swt) is saying.

                              Only Allah(swt) can truly tell us what he is saying and he does both in Other verses ...and in Nature. since Allah(swt) Governs Nature.

                              describe yourself. The fact is you have commented on this thread because your "points' are invalid and pathetic. So, you want me to "debate" you to prove
                              No the verses about people who try and distort God's words are people like you, God says himself he uses metaphors and other linguistic devices and that people who are learned in understanding them to guide Muslims to a better life....understand what they mean.

                              You are just calling these verses literal, to misguide and harm the Muslims.


                              that you have points which you, yourself are not sure about otherwise you wouldn't keep saying "You have weak understanding." You are not speaking to me,
                              I am speaking to you and your brainwashed Khariji cult which is manufactured by Kafir British and and Jahil Saudi Royalty.


                              you are saying this to the Quran verses, and hence, you are then saying this to Allah(swt).

                              NO I am saying it to YOUR Jahil INTERPRETATIONS....if I were saying it to the verses then I would explicitly state such a thing. But I repeatedly


                              what you're doing is saying your Interpretation is God's words, which is Shirk

                              Na'azubillah you're an enemy of Islam who must be fought and executed.

                              Look HOW MANY times you say "YOU." How about you start addressing each and every single Quran verse I posted earlier. You see, your so unsure of your

                              I already acknowledged them; the verses are correct....Your Interpretation and Understanding of them is wrong because Nature proves them to be flawed. and Allah(swt) governs Nature.

                              Instead, you focus on me, but I have not spoken about myself at all..

                              Continue
                              I focus on you because you're giving your own Flawed and Ignorant Ideas about what the verses mean without any actual basis. Posting Qur'an and Hadith doesn't prove your point, because you're giving your own Man-Made understanding.

                              You don't have to speak about yourself when you give your own commentaries. these are from You, not the Qur'an or from reference given by Allah(swt).

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
                                Posting Qur'an and Hadith doesn't prove your point, because you're giving your own Man-Made understanding.

                                You don't have to speak about yourself when you give your own commentaries. these are from You, not the Qur'an or from reference given by Allah(swt).
                                YOU just proved my point again by focusing on me, but I, myself, have not made ANY argument at ALL. If you are arguing, then be honest, because you are arguing against the Quran. You avoid addressing it directly. Why? This is what the Quran says below from Al-Imran 3:59. You have already crossed the line, and now are accusing me of writing the Quran. This shows your opposition for the words there


                                (Al-Imran 3: 59) " The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was."

                                Abu Musa narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Allah created Adam from a handful of dust taken from different lands, so the children of Adam have been created according to the composition of the land. Therefore from mankind we have white, red, black and yellow ones; we have good and evil, ease and sorrow, and what comes in between them."

                                Abu Hurairah narrated that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Allah created Adam from dust after He mixed the clay and left him for some time until it became sticky mud, after which Allah shaped him. After that Allah left him till it became like potter's clay. Iblis used to go past him saying 'You have been created for a great purpose.' After that Allah breathed His spirit into him. The first thing into which the spirit passed was his eye and then his nose. He sneezed. Allah said: "May your Lord have mercy upon you, O Adam! Go to those angels and see what they would say.' So Adam went and greeted them. they replied saying: "Peace be upon you and the mercy and blessings of Allah." Allah said: "O Adam! This is your greeting and that of your offspring."
                                "and who is more astray then the one who follows his own whims and desires devoid of revelation" (Surah Al-Qasas 28:50)


                                Prophet (pbuh): "I warn you of the newly invented matters (in the religion),and every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire"
                                (an-Nasaa'ee)


                                Allah(swt) says "and whosoever contends with the Messenger after guidance has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than the way of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell, what an evil destination!"

                                Prophet (pbuh) said "and you will live to see great difference, so cling to my sunnah and the sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs after me, even if it be with your teeth"
                                (Bukhari)



                                "or do they have partners that legislate some religion which Allaah has not given permission for?"
                                (Surah Ash-Shura 42:21)
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