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[Iblis_Efreetzai]

They are not forced to be in NATO. Each country is allowed to leave.

Why are you so intent on saying European members of NATO are not responsible for their decisions?

Because they did not "intend" to go to Afghanistan?

Sure they leave and they lose the benefits of the NATO treaty. What I saw was they just threw in the bare minimum i.e. token force. Some didn't even have a military role, they were doing humanitarian work. And if you're going to throw out "but what about the 20,000" troops, I'm goiing to ask you for Troop numbers again ...I know you keep conveniently dodging that although B.A. already did some of the work for you.


Anyways, your narrative isn't working, too many holes in it.

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Sure they leave and they lose the benefits of the NATO treaty. What I saw was they just threw in the bare minimum i.e. token force. Some didn't even have a military role, they were doing humanitarian work. And if you're going to throw out "but what about the 20,000" troops, I'm goiing to ask you for Troop numbers again ...I know you keep conveniently dodging that although B.A. already did some of the work for you.


Anyways, your narrative isn't working, too many holes in it.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2009/sep/21/afghanistan-troop-numbers-nato-data

I posted this already . This is the source of NATO contributions at the peak of war . I added all the NATO contributions up.

Its more than 20,000, hence 20,000 to 30,000

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Nato troops in Afghanistan
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ISO code
COUNTRY
TROOPS, end July 2009
TROOPS, end 6th June 2011
Percentage increase in number of troops

SOURCE: NATO

AL Albania 140 260 46
AM Armenia 0 40 100
AU Australia 1090 1550 30
AT Austria 3 3 0
AZ Azerbaijan 90 94 4
BE Belgium 510 507 -1
BA Bosnia & Herzegovina 2 55 96
BG Bulgaria 470 602 22
CA Canada 2800 2922 4
HR Croatia 295 320 8
CZ Czech Rep 340 519 34
DK Denmark 700 750 7
EE Estonia 150 163 8
FI Finland 110 156 29
FR France 3160 3935 20
GE Georgia 1 937 100
DE Germany 4050 4812 16
GR Greece 145 162 10
HU Hungary 310 383 19
IS Iceland 8 4 -100
IE Ireland 7 7 0
IT Italy 2795 3880 28
JO Jordan 7 0
KR Korea - South 0 426 100
LV Latvia 165 139 -19
LT Lithuania 200 237 16
LU Luxemburg 9 11 18
MK Macedonia 165 0
MY Malaysia 0 31 100
MN Mongolia 0 74 100
ME Montenegro 0 36 100
NL Netherlands 1770 192 -822
NZ New Zealand 160 191 16
NO Norway 485 406 -19
PL Poland 2000 2560 22
PT Portugal 90 133 32
RO Romania 1025 1938 47
SG Singapore 8 21 62
SK Slovakia 230 308 25
SI Slovenia 80 80 0
ES Spain 780 1552 50
SE Sweden 430 500 14
MK Macedonia 163 100
TG Tonga 55 100
TR Turkey 730 1786 59
AE UAE 25 35 29
UA Ukraine 10 22 55
GB United Kingdom 9000 9500 5
US United States 29950 90000 67
TOTAL 64495 132457 51


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[Iblis_Efreetzai]

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...bers-nato-data

I posted this already . This is the source of NATO contributions at the peak of war . I added all the NATO contributions up.

Its more than 20,000, hence 20,000 to 30,000

Okay so the highest numbers were from America, Britain, Germany, and France and Canada.

Canada welcome everybody so that isn't even an issue.

So your gripe is really with the other 4 countries.

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Okay so the highest numbers were from America, Britain, Germany, and France and Canada.

Canada welcome everybody so that isn't even an issue.

So your gripe is really with the other 4 countries.

NATO is a military alliance not a book club.

You want to dispute NATO and talk about "intents" then that is all hypothetical debate .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

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NATO is a military alliance not a book club.

You want to dispute NATO and talk about "intents" then that is all hypothetical debate .

Again your point doesn't really stand given the troop numbers

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Again your point doesn't really stand given the troop numbers

I gave you the whole list but you didn't want to take note. Im going to list a few here. You appear to have missed Spain,Romania, and Polands contribution . Must have had dust in your eye

Not to mention Australia


Australia : 1550
Belgium 507
Bulgaria 602
Canada :2922
Croatia:320
Czech Republic: 519
Denmark: 750
France: 3935
Georgia: 937
Germany: 4812
Italy: 3880
Poland: 2560
Romania: 1938
Spain:1552
Sweden 500
United Kingdom:9500

Sweden contribution of 500 with Georgia's 937 adds up .

Numbers like these add up

As I said they bring with them fighter jets and tanks.

Add all the "token" contributions up. The democratically elected government of these nations decided on to join this conflict.


And why should even 1 foreign troop sitting in Afghanistan be acceptable and not warrant criticism of the nation he represents?

What are you even suggesting that 400 troops participating in a war in another country is acceptable and shouldn't warrant blame when they oppose the refugees that theit wars create?

Take Poland for example. They are widely anti-immigrant BUT had 2560 troops in Afghanistan. You pretended to not see this number LoL

Hungary had 383 gun totting troops in Afghanistan? You say their active involvement in the war is token and not their intent? The Hungarian gov has also been anti Immigrant.

Does KSA have 200 troops in Ukraine or Georgia?

Your statements are just simply BS.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I gave you the whole list but you didn't want to take note. Im going to list a few here. You appear to have missed Spain,Romania, and Polands contribution . Must have had dust in your eye

Not to mention Australia


Australia : 1550
Belgium 507
Bulgaria 602
Canada :2922
Croatia:320
Czech Republic: 519
Denmark: 750
France: 3935
Georgia: 937
Germany: 4812
Italy: 3880
Poland: 2560
Romania: 1938
Spain:1552
Sweden 500
United Kingdom:9500

Sweden contribution of 500 with Georgia's 937 adds up .

Numbers like these add up

As I said they bring with them fighter jets and tanks.

Add all the "token" contributions up. The democratically elected government of these nations decided on to join this conflict.


And why should even 1 foreign troop sitting in Afghanistan be acceptable and not warrant criticism of the nation he represents?

What are you even suggesting that 400 troops participating in a war in another country is acceptable and shouldn't warrant blame when they oppose the refugees that theit wars create?

Take Poland for example. They are widely anti-immigrant BUT had 2560 troops in Afghanistan. You pretended to not see this number LoL

Hungary had 383 gun totting troops in Afghanistan? You say their active involvement in the war is token and not their intent? The Hungarian gov has also been anti Immigrant.

Does KSA have 200 troops in Ukraine or Georgia?

Your statements are just simply BS.

Australia is not Europe lol

nice try though but even then 1500 troops, that's nothing; That's my the total # of students that went to my High School lol

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Australia is not Europe lol

nice try though but even then 1500 troops, that's nothing; That's my the total # of students that went to my High School lol

1500 gun totting troops no big deal. War and death are no big deal.

Ok

The 1900 Romanian troops are no big deal.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

1500 gun totting troops no big deal. War and death are no big deal.

Ok

The 1900 Romanian troops are no big deal.

Whether it's a big deal or not, is another issue, but that's fractional, that's a token force.


Tighten up your debate skills kiddo.

[khushal]

They are definitely different things, Alt Right and Neocon are distinct in approach and ultimate aims. Coulter may have switched from Neocon to Alt right, but Neocon is Bush ...Alt Right don't have any official political platform unless you count Trump.

Alt right emerged as a force from within the GOP that believed their leaders had lost touch with their interests. Many of these so called alt right leaders used to be pro war, pro intervention. They changed their stance after realizing that war brings immigrants and now they are obsessed with the wall thinking that the wall will save them. People dont just stay in one spot, their stances evolve.
Trump tries to balance both sides by appeasing the neocons with increased pentagon budgets and the alt right by promising to build the wall and banning muslims and other immigrants. Cutting foreign Aid. He also appeases the Church within the GOP by giving everything to Israel so Christ can come so he can kill the Jews.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/world/middleeast/robert-jeffress-embassy-jerusalem-us.html

https://americanvision.org/6370/christians-just-want-jews-slaughtered-and-converted/

Trump and Pelosi now know that the wall is political. They both know that if the wall gets built, Trump will win a second term. If it doesnt get built, he might lose since he will lose his base. All these moves are political.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Alt right emerged as a force from within the GOP that believed their leaders had lost touch with their interests. Many of these so called alt right leaders used to be pro war, pro intervention. They changed their stance after realizing that war brings immigrants and now they are obsessed with the wall thinking that the wall will save them. People dont just stay in one spot, their stances evolve.
Trump tries to balance both sides by appeasing the neocons with increased pentagon budgets and the alt right by promising to build the wall and banning muslims and other immigrants. Cutting foreign Aid. He also appeases the Church within the GOP by giving everything to Israel so Christ can come so he can kill the Jews.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/world/middleeast/robert-jeffress-embassy-jerusalem-us.html

https://americanvision.org/6370/christians-just-want-jews-slaughtered-and-converted/

Trump and Pelosi now know that the wall is political. They both know that if the wall gets built, Trump will win a second term. If it doesnt get built, he might lose since he will lose his base. All these moves are political.

I don't think that's the correct narrative about how the Alt-Right emerged.

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I don't think that's the correct narrative about how the Alt-Right emerged.

Then please tell us how the Alf-Right emerged

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Then please tell us how the Alf-Right emerged

Angry white millennials being maligned by social justice warriors for white privilege and the feeling of losing power to minorities.

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Angry white millennials being maligned by social justice warriors for white privilege and the feeling of losing power to minorities.

Alt Right origins is more complec than a bunch millenials .

No one definitively can say when or how it emerged . There are many factors as with every other movement