Erdogan says New Zealand attack shows growing hostility to Islam

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

SS soldiers claimed they were just following orders when they gassed Jews.

"Token" "reluctant"

Since when were you an Uncle Tom?

Irrelevant to whether Europe AS A WHOLE owes refugees entry. You're zigzagging all over the place.

Nothing is more Uncle Tom than wanting consolation and sympathy from Europeans.

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Yes but that was in the context of you getting triggered that people called out Erdogan's hypocrisy and using refugees as political pawns. Your response that a token military presence by a handful of NATO members states, that is largely reluctant, means Europe as a WHOLE is obligated to let refugees into Europe.

Why do you believe NATO (US is also in NATO) European contributions are reluctant? Can you read their hearts? If not, provide all your sources showing Europeans were reluctant. Reluctant or not, it is irrelevant to me, but now you can provide your sources for your insight.

SS soldiers claimed they were just following orders when they gassed Jews. Do you believe them?

"Token" "reluctant"

Since when were you an Uncle Tom?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Why do you believe NATO (US is also in NATO) European contributions are reluctant? Can you read their hearts? If not, provide all your sources showing Europeans were reluctant. Reluctant or not, it is irrelevant to me, but now you can provide your sources for your insight.

SS soldiers claimed they were just following orders when they gassed Jews. Do you believe them?

"Token" "reluctant"

Since when were you an Uncle Tom?

Because of the troop number commitment ...that's why I asked you for troop numbers ....if they were gung ho, they'd have a full out balls to the wall offensive like WWII.

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Ann Coulter is American RW......not European RW..

Why do you and Insight keep bait and switching between European and American, stop with this sloppiness. be crystal clear on what and who you're talking about.

Same thing. Tony Blair got most of his support for the Iraq war from conservative MPs. The main difference between US and Europe is that the MIC is weak over there compare to here. As you can see the weakest support for the war came from Germany and Italy where a MIC is almost non existent. Follow the money.

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Same thing. Tony Blair got most of his support for the Iraq war from conservative MPs. The main difference between US and Europe is that the MIC is weak over there compare to here. As you can see the weakest support for the war came from Germany and Italy where a MIC is almost non existent. Follow the money.

Like I said before so basically Britain and France ....let's stop trying to shoehorn everything.

British right wing isolationists the ones that voted for Brexit, they're not the same right wing that voted for Tony Blair, Tony Blair was the British equivalent of Neocon and Tommy Robinson is the British equivalent to Alt-Right.

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Like I said before so basically Britain and France ....let's stop trying to shoehorn everything.

British right wing isolationists the ones that voted for Brexit, they're not the same right wing that voted for Tony Blair, Tony Blair was the British equivalent of Neocon and Tommy Robinson is the British equivalent to Alt-Right.

Like I said same thing. Ann Coultre is like Tommy Robinson and Ann Coultre WAS pro war. NEOcons aren't really conservatives, they basically represent the war and military industry's interests. That industry's interest coincides/aligns with the Church who believes Jews must control the holy land for for the return of Jesus whose interests coincides with AIPAC. They all gain from the same thing just like Paki, Saudi and Taliban interests align.

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Like I said same thing. Ann Coultre is like Tommy Robinson and Ann Coultre WAS pro war. NEOcons aren't really conservatives, they basically represent the war and military industry's interests. That industry's interest coincides/aligns with the Church who believes Jews must control the holy land for for the return of Jesus whose interests coincides with AIPAC. They all gain from the same thing just like Paki, Saudi and Taliban interests align.

They are definitely different things, Alt Right and Neocon are distinct in approach and ultimate aims. Coulter may have switched from Neocon to Alt right, but Neocon is Bush ...Alt Right don't have any official political platform unless you count Trump.

[Insight]

Like I said before so basically Britain and France ....let's stop trying to shoehorn everything.

British right wing isolationists the ones that voted for Brexit, they're not the same right wing that voted for Tony Blair, Tony Blair was the British equivalent of Neocon and Tommy Robinson is the British equivalent to Alt-Right.

Sure you can shoehorn the rest of Europe when discusssing NATO. NATO is a mostly European-American military alliance.

at the peak Europes total contribution to the war was 20,000 to 30,000 with their F16 jets and tanks.

War is not a video game my friend. People die and get displaced.

And here Germany is saying that US must stay in Afghanistan and Syria

https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-merkel-warns-u-s-against-withdrawing-from-syria-afghanistan/29773623.html

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Sure you can shoehorn the rest of Europe when discusssing NATO. NATO is a mostly European-American military alliance.

at the peak Europes total contribution to the war was 20,000 to 30,000 with their F16 jets and tanks.

War is not a video game my friend. People die and get displaced.

And here Germany is saying that US must stay in Afghanistan and Syria

https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-merk.../29773623.html

Not necessarily, on paper they made a NATO Alliance and treaty. in practice that isn't so.

Unless you think it's valid to Shoehorn Muslims into ISIS because of Islam. this reasoning is faulty.

You're still basically talking about Britain and France.

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Not necessarily, on paper they made a NATO Alliance and treaty. in practice that isn't so.

Unless you think it's valid to Shoehorn Muslims into ISIS because of Islam. this reasoning is faulty.

You're still basically talking about Britain and France.

NATO is a military alliance of a lot more countries than France and Britain. NATO collectively had 20,000-30,000 European contribution to the US led war. NATO serves in a official capacity as a multi-nation force. No nation is forced into it.

France and Britain made up about 1/3 of that, 10,000. "Small" individual contributions go a long way. 30,000 > 10,000

ISIS is one of the insurgency groups in Iraq and Syria. Your comparision is absurd.

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NATO is a military alliance of a lot more countries than France and Britain. NATO collectively had 20,000-30,000 European contribution to the US led war. NATO serves in a official capacity as a multi-nation force. No nation is forced into it.

France and Britain made up about 1/3 of that, 10,000. "Small" individual contributions go a long way. 30,000 > 10,000

ISIS is one of the insurgency groups in Iraq and Syria. Your comparision is absurd.

So again break down the numbers by country.

Of course its absurd, it matches your model; you're shoehorning a whole continent, they're shoehorning a whole religion.

if it seems absurd, then maybe you should rethink how you argue.

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So again break down the numbers by country.

Of course its absurd, it matches your model; you're shoehorning a whole continent, they're shoehorning a whole religion.

if it seems absurd, then maybe you should rethink how you argue.

I gave the link already where I got my numbers. Scroll back up.

[Insight]

So again break down the numbers by country.

Of course its absurd, it matches your model; you're shoehorning a whole continent, they're shoehorning a whole religion.

if it seems absurd, then maybe you should rethink how you argue.

The governments of Europe made decisions to contribute to the NATO war in Afghanistan . They are complaining about the refugees. They bear the responsibility for their decisions.

ISIS is not like NATO. They are not multinational military alliance of Muslim nations, but a Syrian/Iraqi insurgency

Muslim govs did not create ISIS

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The governments of Europe made decisions to contribute to the NATO war in Afghanistan . They are complaining about the refugees. They bear the responsibility for their decisions.

ISIS is not like NATO. They are not multinational military alliance of Muslim nations, but a Syrian/Iraqi insurgency

Muslim govs did not create ISIS

THey didn't make a decision, it was contracted 50 + years before this decision was made. They made a decision to join NATO, not go to Afghanistan, that just happened to be a unforseen consequence of being in NATO, and even then it was not even a quarter of NATO members and primarily taken from Britain and France. so again, focus on them.

Of course you won't because that doesn't work with your narrative.

They don't need to be "like NATO", they just have to be a group that's what the concept of "shoehorning" pertains to ....group association.

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THey didn't make a decision, it was contracted 50 + years before this decision was made. They made a decision to join NATO, not go to Afghanistan, that just happened to be a unforseen consequence of being in NATO, and even then it was not even a quarter of NATO members and primarily taken from Britain and France. so again, focus on them.

Of course you won't because that doesn't work with your narrative.

They don't need to be "like NATO", they just have to be a group that's what the concept of "shoehorning" pertains to ....group association.

They are not forced to be in NATO. Each country is allowed to leave.

Why are you so intent on saying European members of NATO are not responsible for their decisions?

Because they did not "intend" to go to Afghanistan?