Pakistan lands $46 billion investment from China

[tilla_jogian]

So you want Mojhars from Karachi to settle over there but you don't want Afghans who actually want to invest in your land to settle in gwadar? haha funny guy.



No my friend, nobody is "equal" in Pakistan. Your army cleansed north waziristan and forced thousands of IDP's to immigrate to Afghanistan. I don't know what kind of country forcefully depopulates its own people in efforts to rid the area of "terrorists." Either way its not your resources, its the Balochi's resources and they have every right to decide whether they will let their resources get exploited or not.



You can basically say that for every Pakhtun on here, they are all anti-paki and are fed up with your country's policy's, even the ones from Pakistan. And we are investing in Kabul bruh. Kabul is already the 5th fastest growing city in Asia and is on its way to becoming a breadbasket and powerhouse for economic development in central asia. Read up on the threads on Kabul posted by Bengal_Tiger will yeah?

As for the Peshawar attack, that was done by your own ISI funded TTP taliban remember?

1. urdu speakers are most likely to settle in Gwader. Only 600km away from Karachi and they have lots of money to buy not only land but also build homes. just common sense. Karachi people will settle first there, and not everyone in Karachi is urdu speaker but most are.

2. How did your relatives buy land in Gwader? They have Pakistani nationality? Or with visa? Which kind of visa? Seem like this is clearly illegal.

3. Lie, not every paki pakhtun here is anti-Pak. Few are at best, there are more Pak pakhtuns members on defence.pk then all of pf members combined.

4. terrorists have no place in Pakistan, stop crying about operation. Because of operation terrorism has decreased in Pakistan which our enemies especially afghanis don't like one bit.

5. Few had gone to Afghanistan, they came back because apna ghar apna hi hota hai.

6. Kabul unfortunately is way behind even our small city Kharian. So there is no point in comparing them with another city of Pakistan.

[Karachi]

Did you just made this up? Anyway common sense tells me Gwader will be muhajir dominated city. They are rich in Karachi and have money to buy land in Gwader. Not to forget how close Gwader is to Karachi. Another area where lots of rich people live is GT road from Lahore to Peshawar but I doubt they will want to settle in Gwader.

There is crackdown on afghanis, in year or 2 they will be deported back to Afghanistan. I doubt they can buy land in Pakistan legally.

Right now afghanis with properties in Pakistan are giving it to their Pakistani relatives.

not only muhajirs, but many rich pashtuns, punjabis also live in karachi. Karachi is 40-45% muhajir, rest are mostly Pashtuns and punjabis, they have many businesses. Also it is stupid to think that Muhajirs are rich, yes there is a elite class of muhajirs like other people, but that does not make even 10% of them most are middle class (average) people and many are very poor. The street support that MQM gets is mostly from the very poor. The richer or even middle class muhajirs have less support to a party like MQM

[Karachi]

Well then let me get this through, not even fake CNIC of afghanis are good enough right now. They will be wasting money believe me. But if its true then tell them to sell it right now.

You can deport illegal mahajars, as I said there is no legal way for afghanis to buy land in Pakistan. They are not settled people but illegal muhajirs. Pakistan already have enough muhajirs, we don't want more of them. And your last part didn't made any sense, no one is exploiting anyone resources. Everyone is equal in Pakistan. But afghanis do exploid our resources, hopefully not anymore. The shops they have created can be run by Pakistanis. Their place is in Afghanistan.

I don't know why you want afghanis to live in Pakistan. In karachi soon they will start speaking bojpuri as their first language and become karachite in generation or two.

Kushal is pretty anti-Pak afghani, buying land in Pakistan sound like hypocracy honestly. Why not invest in Kabul instead? Afghani mahajirs are not welcome in Pakistan anymore after peshawar attack.

Bhojpuri, so you are saying all muhajirs in Karachi are Biharies? lol, that shows what you know

[Karachi]

1. urdu speakers are most likely to settle in Gwader. Only 600km away from Karachi and they have lots of money to buy not only land but also build homes. just common sense. Karachi people will settle first there, and not everyone in Karachi is urdu speaker but most are.

2. How did your relatives buy land in Gwader? They have Pakistani nationality? Or with visa? Which kind of visa? Seem like this is clearly illegal.

3. Lie, not every paki pakhtun here is anti-Pak. Few are at best, there are more Pak pakhtuns members on defence.pk then all of pf members combined.

4. terrorists have no place in Pakistan, stop crying about operation. Because of operation terrorism has decreased in Pakistan which our enemies especially afghanis don't like one bit.

5. Few had gone to Afghanistan, they came back because apna ghar apna hi hota hai.

6. Kabul unfortunately is way behind even our small city Kharian. So there is no point in comparing them with another city of Pakistan.

Yes many people from Karachi will settle there, but why only urduspeakers? Pashtuns, Baloch, Punjabi will also settle. In fact my dad's brother already has some land there, and he told that it's a mix community of buyers there, not sure if the afghan pashtuns can buy land there, but pakistani ones defiantly are and will more in the future

[tilla_jogian]

not only muhajirs, but many rich pashtuns, punjabis also live in karachi. Karachi is 40-45% muhajir, rest are mostly Pashtuns and punjabis, they have many businesses. Also it is stupid to think that Muhajirs are rich, yes there is a elite class of muhajirs like other people, but that does not make even 10% of them most are middle class (average) people and many are very poor. The street support that MQM gets is mostly from the very poor. The richer or even middle class muhajirs have less support to a party like MQM

Yes true but clearly urdu speakers in Karachi who can afford land and build homes are more in numbers then any other group. But overall at first most of people will be from Karachi.

[tilla_jogian]

Bhojpuri, so you are saying all muhajirs in Karachi are Biharies? lol, that shows what you know

You got the point anyway, afghanis in Karachi will become dhalkhors eventually.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Did you just made this up? Anyway common sense tells me Gwader will be muhajir dominated city. They are rich in Karachi and have money to buy land in Gwader. Not to forget how close Gwader is to Karachi. Another area where lots of rich people live is GT road from Lahore to Peshawar but I doubt they will want to settle in Gwader.

There is crackdown on afghanis, in year or 2 they will be deported back to Afghanistan. I doubt they can buy land in Pakistan legally.

Right now afghanis with properties in Pakistan are giving it to their Pakistani relatives.

1) Why you think that Gawadar will be a Muhajir dominated city. Just because it's close to Karachi? It takes a great deal of hunger and poverty to force someone into leaving their family back home and go to a distant place in search of a piece of bread. Mohajirs/Urdu speakers aren't used to it. We Pakhtuns are. Especially any place else in Pakistan, for example how many of them are present in Lahore? Islamabad anyways?

2) Before telling you this, I want to inform you that there is no such thing as Afghani? Or perhaps they call their currency Afghani? The correct word is 'Afghan' .. Now how possibly you think that you can make millions of Afghan refugees leave Pakistan. It's simply not possible. When many of them have the nationality a Green Identity Card. And not everyone is as unfortunate as 'Sharbat Gula' to be caught!

[tilla_jogian]

1) Why you think that Gawadar will be a Muhajir dominated city. Just because it's close to Karachi? It takes a great deal of hunger and poverty to force someone into leaving their family back home and go to a distant place in search of a piece of bread. Mohajirs/Urdu speakers aren't used to it. We Pakhtuns are. Especially any place else in Pakistan, for example how many of them are present in Lahore? Islamabad anyways?

2) Before telling you this, I want to inform you that there is no such thing as Afghani? Or perhaps they call their currency Afghani? The correct word is 'Afghan' .. Now how possibly you think that you can make millions of Afghan refugees leave Pakistan. It's simply not possible. When many of them have the nationality a Green Identity Card. And not everyone is as unfortunate as 'Sharbat Gula' to be caught!

1) Many urdu speakers traders are moving to punjab because of security situation. So if Gwader provide them security then rich among them will settle there first. Obviously many rich people from all over Pakistan will settle there. So it will not be necesarly urdu speaker dominated but they will make good part of it. Probably more then rich people from upper Punjab and KPK.

2) Afghan mean pashtun, afghani is right alternative for tajik, uzbek, hazara, hamsaya etc also.

These nationality card are fake and Nadra have ways to detect and cancel them, as they are doing now.

[Kushan Prince]

1. urdu speakers are most likely to settle in Gwader. Only 600km away from Karachi and they have lots of money to buy not only land but also build homes. just common sense. Karachi people will settle first there, and not everyone in Karachi is urdu speaker but most are

What makes you so sure that Urdu speakers will settle there as opposed to Punjabis, Hindokwans or even Pashtuns? Are you forgetting that Karachi has a very large Pashtun population? probably being the second largest after Mojhars?

2. How did your relatives buy land in Gwader? They have Pakistani nationality? Or with visa? Which kind of visa? Seem like this is clearly illegal

I never said my relatives did per say but i family i know. You gotta learn to read, either way i fail to see how it is is illegal.

3. Lie, not every paki pakhtun here is anti-Pak. Few are at best, there are more Pak pakhtuns members on defence.pk then all of pf members combined.

Most are, this forum is a haven for Pashtun nationalists, i am sure you realized that the moment you stepped in here.

4. terrorists have no place in Pakistan, stop crying about operation. Because of operation terrorism has decreased in Pakistan which our enemies especially afghanis don't like one bit.

Forcefully removing people out of their own homes for a few terrorists is okay? Your way of thinking is barbaric.

5. Few had gone to Afghanistan, they came back because apna ghar apna hi hota hai.

Err okay....

6. Kabul unfortunately is way behind even our small city Kharian. So there is no point in comparing them with another city of Pakistan.

Really, it is? http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=45801

I can understand the jealousy and hate you have concerning Afghans (though i think its in retaliation for many afghans despising pakis) but really denying visas or access to a group of people in your country just because you simply don't like them is nothing more then racism and ethnic hatred. I guess this is why people like to compare Pakistan to Israel when it comes to handeling issues with refugees and migrants.

[tilla_jogian]

What makes you so sure that Urdu speakers will settle there as opposed to Punjabis, Hindokwans or even Pashtuns? Are you forgetting that Karachi has a very large Pashtun population? probably being the second largest after Mojhars?



I never said my relatives did per say but i family i know. You gotta learn to read, either way i fail to see how it is is illegal.



Most are, this forum is a haven for Pashtun nationalists, i am sure you realized that the moment you stepped in here.



Forcefully removing people out of their own homes for a few terrorists is okay? Your way of thinking is barbaric.



Err okay....



Really, it is? http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=45801

I can understand the jealousy and hate you have concerning Afghans (though i think its in retaliation for many afghans despising pakis) but really denying visas or access to a group of people in your country just because you simply don't like them is nothing more then racism and ethnic hatred. I guess this is why people like to compare Pakistan to Israel when it comes to handeling issues with refugees and migrants.

1.) I said everyone will settle there but urdu speakers are more likely then lets say people from upper punjab, hindko areas and kpk around Peshawar. In Karachi there are lots of pashtuns but I bet rich pashtuns are mostly in KPK and Punjab.

For poor people locals will have periorty over other provinces people forget about Afghanis. But if you are rich enough to invest then you can move there if you are Pakistani. Or you are classified to handle the job which locals can't. Gov is opening training centers in Gwader, and people of Gwader will be given periorty over others.

2) You never clarified how they got land in Gwader, its illegal. Unless they became dhalkhors through illegal means.

3) This forum is dead for most part. Visit defence.pk to see what forum means.

4) Not forcefully, and now they have started to go back.


6) Whole Afghanistan GDP is $20 billion compared to Pakistan $290 billion. Most of Afghanis depend on Pakistan for simple medical needs. Now you guys are buying plots in Afghanistan because investment in Afghanistan is not safe. You should be greateful for Pakistan.

Pakistan zindabad

[asif86]

1.) I said everyone will settle there but urdu speakers are more likely then lets say people from upper punjab, hindko areas and kpk around Peshawar. In Karachi there are lots of pashtuns but I bet rich pashtuns are mostly in KPK and Punjab.

For poor people locals will have periorty over other provinces people forget about Afghanis. But if you are rich enough to invest then you can move there if you are Pakistani. Or you are classified to handle the job which locals can't. Gov is opening training centers in Gwader, and people of Gwader will be given periorty over others.

2) You never clarified how they got land in Gwader, its illegal. Unless they became dhalkhors through illegal means.

3) This forum is dead for most part. Visit defence.pk to see what forum means.

4) Not forcefully, and now they have started to go back.


6) Whole Afghanistan GDP is $20 billion compared to Pakistan $290 billion. Most of Afghanis depend on Pakistan for simple medical needs. Now you guys are buying plots in Afghanistan because investment in Afghanistan is not safe. You should be greateful for Pakistan.

Pakistan zindabad

Who knows it might take years for gwadar to take off.Urdu speakers are not going to start flocking to gwadar overnight.Majority will stay in karachi if things improve because its international city and has more to offer.

[Kushan Prince]

1.) I said everyone will settle there but urdu speakers are more likely then lets say people from upper punjab, hindko areas and kpk around Peshawar. In Karachi there are lots of pashtuns but I bet rich pashtuns are mostly in KPK and Punjab.

For poor people locals will have periorty over other provinces people forget about Afghanis. But if you are rich enough to invest then you can move there if you are Pakistani. Or you are classified to handle the job which locals can't. Gov is opening training centers in Gwader, and people of Gwader will be given periorty over others.

2) You never clarified how they got land in Gwader, its illegal. Unless they became dhalkhors through illegal means.

3) This forum is dead for most part. Visit defence.pk to see what forum means.

4) Not forcefully, and now they have started to go back.


6) Whole Afghanistan GDP is $20 billion compared to Pakistan $290 billion. Most of Afghanis depend on Pakistan for simple medical needs. Now you guys are buying plots in Afghanistan because investment in Afghanistan is not safe. You should be greateful for Pakistan.

Pakistan zindabad

Honestly your just speaking out of your arse right now. First you said mostly Mojhars will settle there and now your saying everyone but the majority being urdu speakers. Your just changing narritaves. Pashtuns from kPK and Balochistan immgirate to Karachi to become wealthy, not the other way around. Don't know how they got land, maybe khushal may now since his family also got land from there. This forum isn't really dead, it had increased traffic just a weak ago at about 1800 users being online. As for Pk. defence, i would never join that forum even if you payed me.

[Karachi]

1) Why you think that Gawadar will be a Muhajir dominated city. Just because it's close to Karachi? It takes a great deal of hunger and poverty to force someone into leaving their family back home and go to a distant place in search of a piece of bread. Mohajirs/Urdu speakers aren't used to it. We Pakhtuns are. Especially any place else in Pakistan, for example how many of them are present in Lahore? Islamabad anyways?

2) Before telling you this, I want to inform you that there is no such thing as Afghani? Or perhaps they call their currency Afghani? The correct word is 'Afghan' .. Now how possibly you think that you can make millions of Afghan refugees leave Pakistan. It's simply not possible. When many of them have the nationality a Green Identity Card. And not everyone is as unfortunate as 'Sharbat Gula' to be caught!

Actually in general, most people can travel when there is opportunity some where else, it doesn't matter what background.

[Shehbaz Khan]

1) Many urdu speakers traders are moving to punjab because of security situation. So if Gwader provide them security then rich among them will settle there first. Obviously many rich people from all over Pakistan will settle there. So it will not be necesarly urdu speaker dominated but they will make good part of it. Probably more then rich people from upper Punjab and KPK.

2) Afghan mean pashtun, afghani is right alternative for tajik, uzbek, hazara, hamsaya etc also.

These nationality card are fake and Nadra have ways to detect and cancel them, as they are doing now.

1) Not necessarily Urdu Speaker dominated. I've not a problem with it.

2) Go check out, they are not Afghani Cricket Players rather Afghan Cricket Players. And it's not an issue to me. You can go on with whatever you wish to. I don't give a damn. I thought you may be saying this out of your limited knowledge but if you are saying this deliberately, Shakespeare said by whatever name you call a rose, it doesn't damage it's fragrance.

3) Nadra itself issued them CNICs. I am not talking about fake ID cards. I am talking about the ones Nadra itself issued just like in case of Sharbat Gula. And Nadra has no system of deducting it.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Actually in general, most people can travel when there is opportunity some where else, it doesn't matter what background.

Agreed. Yet again the Urdu speakers dominate Hyderabad and Karachi. And there are enough opportunities here. So them traveling some where else the chances are very limited compared to Pakhtuns.