Saud tribe struggles for its survival

[HalloIsBack]

[MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION]
i hope you allow me to post the following video here if not just say it i will move this video to another thread
[English Subs] How Pedophile Saudis are Exploiting Syria's Girls - YouTube

[Karachi]

Men from our part of world are vultures, specially when dealing with women.

[Bengal_Tiger]

[MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION]
i hope you allow me to post the following video here if not just say it i will move this video to another thread
[English Subs] How Pedophile Saudis are Exploiting Syria's Girls - YouTube

1. I saw this video yesterday on liveleak but did not want to post it here (it is up to you if you want to leave it here). There is a lot of Saudi related material that I do not post here and try to keep things related to these main topics:

a: Internal dissent/oppression in Saudi
b: Mistreatment of foreign workers
c: Interference in the affairs of other Muslim countries.

2. One thing which I will say about that video (I didn't watch all of it as after a while I thought it was propaganda i.e. it is true but there are some lies in it) is that Saudis do not believe in "temporary marriage" (mutah), in fact Sunnis in general look at mutah with contempt and regard it as a Shi'a practise, so I think there are some lies in that video.

3. In addition to the many bad things in Saudi, there are also many good Saudis. The Saudis I've met abroad are much nicer people than the Syrians - by far. I have met a Saudi prince who - towards me - was polite, respectful and friendly.

A Saudi here in London paid dinner for me once.

When I went to Saudi, I met nice Saudis who were very warm and friendly.

When I was in Syria, a Saudi (a Tameemi) from Dammam invited me to dinner with someone else.

Outside of the worker-employee relationship context, Saudis are far nicer people than Syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians etc. This may be fake and just being nice out of their real environment, but the point is there are many good Saudis out there.

My issue with Saudi Arabia is the regime has betrayed Islamic principles by supporting the zhulm of the Pakistan army in 1971 (led by Shia, Yahya Khan) and the genocide it carried out. To this day it bullies Bangladesh and wants Bangladesh to be a satellite state of Pakistan and therefore bullies Bangladesh when the anti-Pakistani Awami League is in power. Also Saudi supports Jamaatis in Bangladesh.

Saudi should respect Bangladesh as a sovereign state which is free to pursue its own policies.

India occupies majority-Muslim Kashmir, has Hindu radicals but Saudi has no problem with India, so why with Muslim Bangladesh which has done nothing but support Saudi?

If Saudi Arabia carries on with this proxy-bullying of Bangladesh on Pakistan's behalf there will be repercussions, already we are seeing:

- Iraqis bombing Saudi
- Floods in Saudi
- Riots in Saudi
- Riots against Saudi across the world
- Saudis being killed in Syria (only a day or so ago a Saudi militant was killed in Syria)
- The US going against Saudi interests and reconciling with Iran.
- A Saudi girl fleeing to Yemen wanting to marry a Yemeni and complaining to human rights organizations.
- Garbage piling up in Saudi due to expulsion of workers
- Differences between the Saudi princes

Bangladesh is a holy land and there are more mosques in Bangladesh than the whole middle east, 1/4 a million. Indonesia has around 0.8 million mosques but in terms of mosque to land density, Bangladesh is the highest on earth as Bangladesh is geographically very small.

A mosque, in Arabic "masjid" (place of sajdah = prostration) is a house of Allah where Allah's name is mentioned and glorified.

The Saudi regime need to carry out the reforms I have suggested as well as swap the national flag and state flag/symbol so that the national flag with the kalima (declaration of faith) becomes only used for state/governmental purposes while the sword and palm tree becomes the regular national flag.



- I do not support the division of Saudi Arabia
- Apart from some flippant comments, I do not support the overthrow of the Saudi royal family.
- I support gradual reform, expatriate rights and non-interference in the affairs of Bangladesh.

4. As for that video, yes it's pretty disgusting but such things are not just being carried out by Saudis. A lot of what is called "Islam" today is not in fact Islam and is based on alleged hadeeth (and books of fiqh - jurispudence) by Persian writers centuries after the death of the holy prophet solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam, some of which actually contradict the Quran.

Anyway I don't come here to talk about religion or theological discussions so will leave it at that.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Showdown in Saudi Arabia: vigilantes vs. foreign workers

Foreign workers are crucial to the Saudi economy — cleaning schools and doing construction work — but they are fleeing as the government cracks down.



An Ethiopian worker argues with a member of the Saudi security forces as he waits with his countrymen to be repatriated.

By: Abdullah Al-Shihri Aya Batrawy The Associated Press, Published on Sun Nov 24 2013

RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA—Garbage is piling up on the streets around the mosque housing the burial site of the Prophet Muhammad. Grocery stores have shut their doors, and almost half of Saudi Arabia’s small construction firms have stopped working on projects.

The mess is because foreign workers — on which many businesses rely — are fleeing, have gone into hiding or are under arrest amid a government crackdown launched early this month.

For decades, lax immigration enforcement allowed migrants to take low-wage manual, clerical and service jobs that the kingdom’s own citizens shunned.
Authorities now say booting out the nine million migrant workers will open up more jobs for citizens, at a time when unemployment among Saudis is running at 12.1 per cent, as of the end of last year, according to the International Monetary Fund.


But the nationalist fervour driving the crackdown risks making migrant workers vulnerable to vigilante attacks by Saudis fed up with the seemingly endless stream of foreigners in their country.

Since the Saudi government began issuing warnings earlier this year, hundreds of thousands of foreign workers have been deported, though some were able to avoid arrest by getting proper visas in an amnesty program. That amnesty has now ended, and some 33,000 people have since been placed behind bars. Others have gone into hiding.

With fewer people to do the job, the state-backed Saudi Gazette reported that 20,000 schools are without janitors. Others are without school bus drivers. Garbage became so noticeable around the mosque housing the Prophet Muhammad’s tomb that a top city official in Medina helped sweep the streets, the state-backed Arab News website reported.


About 40 per cent of small construction firms in the kingdom have stopped work because their foreign workers couldn’t get proper visas in time, Khalaf al-Otaibi, president of the World Federation of Trade, Industry and Economics in the Middle East, told Arab News.

Saudis say dozens of businesses, such as bakeries, supermarkets, gas stations and cafes, are now closed and prices have soared for services from mechanics, plumbers and electricians.

Adam Coogle, a Middle East researcher for Human Rights Watch, told The Associated Press that if the kingdom wants to be serious about the problem, authorities should look at the labour laws, not the workers.

Saudi Arabia’s sponsorship system, under which foreign labourers work in the kingdom, gives employers say over whether or not a foreigner can leave the country or change jobs, forcing many into illegal employment.
“The entire system by which Saudi Arabia regulates foreign labour is failing,” he said.

The owner of a construction company in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, said he had to halt all of his projects. He said he was not the legal sponsor of most of his labourers but that they made more money working as freelance hires.
“These people have worked in this country and their blood is in the stones and buildings,” he said, speaking anonymously for fear of government reprisal. “You cannot just, like that, force them out.”

Saudis largely have cheered on the police. Residents have taken matters into their own hands on several occasions, despite police calling on the public not to make citizen arrests.

Saudi residents of Riyadh’s poor Manhoufa neighbourhood recently fought with Ethiopians, detaining some, until police arrived more than two hours later. Video emerged of a crowd of Saudis knocking on the door of an Ethiopian man’s house, then dragging him out and beating him in the street. A Saudi and a migrant were killed and dozens wounded in the clashes.

The violence began when east Africans protesting the crackdown barricaded themselves in the narrow streets of Manhoufa, throwing stones, threatening people with knives and damaging cars. Days earlier, an Ethiopian man was killed by police chasing down migrants.

Violence broke out again days later in the same neighbourhood, and a Sudanese man was killed in recent clashes. In the Red Sea coastal city of Jiddah in the poor al-Azaziya neighbourhood, clashes also broke out when police combed the area for migrants.

“This is not racism or a lack of respect for diversity, but you cannot imagine how much negative comes from these groups instead of positive. These people, every day, cause problems,” said Jidda resident Abdulaziz al-Qahtani, who posted online video from the Riyadh clashes that he said a friend took.
Since the clashes, Saudi officials say 23,000 Ethiopians, including women and children, have turned themselves in to the police. Authorities are now holding them in temporary housing ahead of deportation, saying many have no documentation at all, having made their way into the kingdom with the help of smugglers by way of Yemen.

Ethiopia’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement that officials in Addis Ababa sought an explanation from Saudi Arabia’s envoy over the “mistreatment” of Ethiopians in the kingdom.

Saudi columnist Abdul-Rahman al-Rashed cautioned Saudis to remember that without “a strong state and oil revenues” they, too, may have emigrated in search of work.
“Those deprived of the chance of a proper life can understand the feeling of those wanting to seek a better life,” he wrote in the Asharq al-Awsat newspaper.

Showdown in Saudi Arabia: vigilantes vs. foreign workers | Toronto Star




*The Saudi regime are idiots. Whoever planned this mass expulsion of workers in one go is a complete moron. There are too many Ali Al-Ghamdi style "experts" and idiots working for the Saudi regime.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Ironically this is a picture that was put on Basherkella on August 16th, Basherkella is the facebook page of Jamaat e Islami in Bangladesh.



Here is what the Jamaatis wrote with this picture:

মিশরের নব্য খুনী ফেরআউনদেরকে খায়েনুল হারামাইন (খাদেম নয়)আব্দুল্লাহর সমর্থন ইনশা'আল্লাহ সউদী আরবে ইসলামী বিপ্লবের পথ সুগম করবে....মিশরের আগুনের দাবানল সীমান্ত পেরিয়ে ছারখার করুক আমিরাত ও সউদীর রাজ প্রসাদ...তাহাজ্জুদের সময়ে আল্লাহর কাছে আজ এ ফরিয়াদ....

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=620686187962197&set=pb.535719869792163.-2207520000.1385400234.&type=3&theater

Basically they were angry over Egypt and Abdullah Al-Saud being against the Muslim brotherhood there.

The stupid Saudis it seems threatened Bangladesh in order to defend Jamaat, the same Jamaat whose members curse them. Jamaat is an "Ikhwani" organization i.e. a variant of the Muslim brotherhood (Ikhwan = brotherhood in Arabic) so will naturally support their Ikhwani brothers in Egypt against Saudi.

Saudis truly are ignorant, stupid and their bootlicking of Pakistanis makes them unaware of reality.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Saudi family hang Ethiopian maid from hook - brutally beat her - YouTube

La hawla wa la quwwata illah billah. (Islamic greeting said when seeing something and in a state of schock).

If someone had told me about something like this before I would not have believed it.

Even the Israelis would never do this, no matter how racist they are to black Ethiopian Jews.

May Allah curse and destroy all those who did this to this poor woman, and curse all the others that do similar things and their supporters.

wa sallee 'alaa sayyidina Muhammad.

Ameen, thumma ameen.

[Karachi]

Saudi family hang Ethiopian maid from hook - brutally beat her - YouTube

La hawla wa la quwwata illah billah. (Islamic greeting said when seeing something and in a state of schock).

If someone had told me about something like this before I would not have believed it.

Even the Israelis would never do this, no matter how racist they are to black Ethiopian Jews.

May Allah curse and destroy all those who did this to this poor woman, and curse all the others that do similar things and their supporters.

wa sallee 'alaa sayyidina Muhammad.

Ameen, thumma ameen.

For _uck sakes, their only crime is being Ethiopian. While the world is progressing, these people are getting more backwards. I wonder why are they mostly punishing Ethiopians recently though?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Obselete.

[Kushan Prince]

For _uck sakes, their only crime is being Ethiopian. While the world is progressing, these people are getting more backwards. I wonder why are they mostly punishing Ethiopians recently though?

Ethiopian women were concubines to arab men during the slave days and were the majority who were enslaved in the arab slave trade. Majority of the slaves settled in the Arabian peninsula were East Africans (espically Ethiopians) and that's why arabs consider anyone of African ancestry as Ethiopians. Seriously that's where all the hate comes from and poor ethios are targeted.

[Kushan Prince]

Did you hear? SA wants to build a separate city for women only so they can work without men being present.

These people are nuts.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Obselete.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Obselete.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Saudi Arabia passes anti-terror law, banning defamation

Activists concerned that women defying driving ban may be tried under the law

APPublished: 12:02 December 17, 2013Gulf News

Dubai: Saudi Arabia’s Cabinet approved on Monday a new anti-terrorism draft law that criminalizes acts that disturb public order, defame the reputation of the state or threaten the kingdom’s unity, raising concerns by activists it could be used to quash political dissent.

A rights activist and a rights lawyer denounced the law as too broad, saying that besides terrorists, it targets civil society activists calling for democratic reforms. They spoke anonymously for fear of retribution.

State-owned Saudi media released details of the law online after the Cabinet meeting, but the news outlets focused headlines on Cabinet decisions to increase government spending. News of the anti-terror law and its approval was marginalised.
Al Riyadh Net news website said the law was proposed by the Interior Ministry and reviewed by the advisory Shura Council. It reported that King Abdullah is preparing to issue a decree putting the law into effect.

The Cabinet statement, carried by state media outlets, says the law will strike a balance between the risks of terrorist crimes and the protection of human rights.

The statement then describes crimes of terrorism to include “disturbing public order, or undermining the security and stability of the nation, or exposing the nation’s unity to danger... or defaming the reputation of the state or its position.”

In the past, Saudi women who got behind the wheel of a car were accused of disturbing public order for defying a driving ban imposed on females. One Saudi activist said this means women drivers can be tried under the anti-terror law, for example.

Activists said the law was first drafted under the late Prince Nayef in 2011 when he was Interior Minister before his death a year later. A group of well-organized human rights campaigners in the kingdom were leaked a copy of the draft law and took to the Internet and social media to blast its broad wording. They also called on the prince to be removed from the line of succession for his role in overseeing torture and abuse of prisoners in Saudi jails. The law was quickly shelved at the time.

Since then, at least 12 activists from that group known as the Saudi Civil and Political Rights Association have been arrested. This year, the group’s top leaders Abdullah Al Hamid and Mohammad Al Qahtani, were sentenced up to 11 years in prison and slapped with lengthy travel bans after their release.
The Saudi Council of Ministers is comprised of nearly two dozen members all appointed by King Abdullah. The meeting Monday was chaired by his likely successor, Crown Prince Salman, who is also deputy premier and the defence minister.

Saudi Arabia passes anti-terror law, banning defamation | GulfNews.com

[Bengal_Tiger]

*Not relevant*

[Bengal_Tiger]

Obselete.