Bashir Bilour assassinated in a bomb blast in Peshawar.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Help me understand because it seems you have a close relations to collect "the majority of data you collected analyzed by Pape" that 72 virgins do not come into question. I would like to understand how you got to that conclusion? There are people in Africa that are much worse off and in other parts of the world. Japan was bombed using A-bombs and had every right to retaliation but no one is blowing themselves up.

You may find excuses for the barbaric actions of those terrorists but they are just that, low-lives who have nothing good to do and are selfish leaving behind parents and their wife and kids. They are nothing but local idiots who kill themselves in the name of religion. I wonder how long it will take you to start blaming ISI, RAW, CIA etc etc.

You really win the award of the day for the slowest processing of factual information. Japan fought a conventional war in the air and in the seas and on the ground with the allied powers. What did you call the kamikazes that destroyed themselves for brutal efficacy in Pearl Harbor? Was that flower giving?

Africa is only now seeing the reintervention of Western power and the majority of the work is being done by proxies as the West has learned that it is far better that natives die than their own people.

No suicide attacks in Africa? You really are numbing my mind.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...218384233.html

Did you read the news today?

Did you read the news any day at all?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10677946

The intervention in Somalia by local powers at the behest of Africom produced a militancy that is plaguing the Somalians to this very day. Al Shabab was not even in existence when the Union Courts were destroyed by the Bush government (this is despite assurances on the part of that government that they would never allow for outsiders into their lands). What happened when Ethiopa was funded to invade? Well, interventionalism gone wild produced the effects seen above. Now a whole generation of Somalians sees Christian Ethiopa as an invader and is actively involved in such activities. And the outsider fighters? They are pouring in in the droves and Somalia is a sh-it hole.

You are the fool that stated these folks are armed with 72 virgins on the brain. Pape's seminal work, Scheuers analysis of the writings of their leaders, and Pillars analyses show the exact opposite. The studies I cited done by Baltimore show repeatedly that it is not heavenly pleasures that are in the writings and on the tongues of these people. Its fools like you that perpetuate this stereotype so that Westerners remain aloof of what their adversary is thinking. You can easily destroy a group of miscreants that are craving sexual fantasies. It is acknowledged now by the CIA itself that this an insurgency and the fire is getting worse.

Before you talk, think, research, and collect evidence. Otherwise you earn the name Lil Toramana - contributing nothing but a shrill cry that indicates frustration and nothing more.

[Toramana]

Makarzai is every bit a hypocrite. Sometimes back when he joined this forum, he landed with a bombast and declared his lineage in an extremely pompous way boasting of his royal Abdali ancestry and brandishing his elitist credentials ---- telling us about his elitist upbringing in USA and his father's connections with US army---even admonishing me how could I not know about his elitist lineage.

(Lol----as if I any care---)

Now he is hitting at Asfandiyar Khan who by all standards is only lower tier khan (not even that now) with less land and less affluent than most of the khans in Charssada.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Makarzai now don't try to make a mole out of a mountain---Now a days one canal house in Hayatabad is worth 15 millions. So don't be deceived by these figures or try to deceive others. And Bilours are an old business family of Peshawar affluent since an earlier time.

If that is to be the criteria, what about Qazi Hussain Ahmad your Akhwani grand-pa and Ziaul Haq and Akhtar Abdur Rahman your mentors in jehad/terror and ideology who have gone from being commoners to the top-affluent families of Pakistan thanks the CIA money and Arab petro-dollars.

What about your grandest grand-papa Osama Bin Laden who was a billionaire?

Wow, still thrashing around like a blind mole embedded in his dark hole? That is the POINT genius. The West has figured it out and has written article after article about how your baboons in red hats are the problem. Scheuer has stated unequivicolly that they faced a person in UBL that had seen advanced battle and who has actually become a potent threat because of the PERCEPTION of the masses about his descent from plutocracy toward the masses. That is why article after article started to appear about how Guevara's plan to create "a thousand vietnams" for the US was mirrored in the latter's own planning. I have no respect for the individual, but I do think its extremely important to understand exactly why a person or a group of people are driven to do what they do. The answer you offer has no basis in data or reality - i.e, that a group of bad teeth nihilists are offing themselves. That is a ploy to embed Tom and Suzie into a situation without any meaning for them. Instead, you should have been sent to kill OBL.

Quit spouting nonsensical points you have memorized at mad red hatter meetings and start talking facts and figures.

These people that you mention are your own people, not mine. They are all in cahoots, one with another to continue some idiotic paradoy of a democratic system in a failed nation state. Give me a freaking break man you are telling me that on the one hand this guy was a great man and that he was pro Pashtun then on the other hand he is admitting he was butt to butt with Jinnah's family? These elite fools are taking you for a ride as each of these parties are doing to their respective constituencies.

You act as if the money in the bank has no relation to their positions of power. Two pages back I provide a verbatim DIRECT quote from his brother indicating that they, and no meritocrat deserve the position of power. What kind of foolish logic is that? How do you generate success where failures of all sorts create plutocracy and embed a familial political structure doomed to fail?

There is a very excellent video of a US marine who is training ANA forces first hand. He laments how his enemies have a meritocratic structure and that they dont simply get promotions because of who they are or whose last names they have. Scheuer discusses exactly why this makes them a potent adversary. You on the other hand, are like a blind lemming devoid of any capability of understanding just how dangerous the world has become thanks to your advocacy for interventionalism all around the world.

The biggest hypocrites in the world wear those red hats compadre. One day the proletariats struggle was on their lips and then, when they got whipped now they are trying to become G8 standard capitalists over night. Ironic to say the least right? At least adopt a consistent standard and stance.

Quit trying to silence dissent by using the names you think scare everyone.

We are globalists who grew up amongst the masses and know far too well that you and your ilk are slithering your way into these adopted countries to benefit off their largesse and then to waste their blood and treasure as if these people were your goats or subhuman.

[Friend]

BarakzaiAbdali is pride of PF Pashtuns. Who are you two guys who dont find any place on their homeland. You dare speak all this bull**** in from of your own people on your land and then count the bruises and lashes on your bodies... you wont find a single inch on your bodies unlashed.

[Toramana]

Here is a credible report.

"The Report uses the Pakistan Social and Living Standards Measurement (2008-09) data for most of its analysis. Poverty in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is estimated at 29% (in 2005/06) which is 7% higher than the national average. However, with sufficient resource allocation, the provincial and federal poverty alleviation programs can play a role in poverty reduction.

The 10+ literacy rate in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is 50% and the gap in female literacy is 31%. Despite this, there are pockets of high literacy in the province. Abbotabad, for example, has the highest literacy rates in the province at 72 %, with female literacy estimated at 61%. "

http://undp.org.pk/khyber-pakhtunkhwa-government-and-undp-release-first-ever-millennium-development-goals-report.html

[Toramana]

And Makarazai, how much do you conceal your venomous Akhwani hatred for the West and the country that hosts you i.e., US you will not be able to further the Akhwani agenda disguised as concern for US interests ----I fear, somehow, some Adam Lanza is going to find out your true intentions and empty his guns in that Akhani koprai.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Makarzai is every bit a hypocrite. Sometimes back when he joined this forum, he landed with a bombast and declared his lineage in an extremely pompous way boasting of his royal Abdali lineage and brandishing his elitist credentials ---- telling us about his elitist upbringing in USA and his father's connections with US army---even admonishing me how could I not know about his elitist lineage.

(Lol----as if I any care---)

Now he is hitting at Asfandiyar Khan who by all standards is only lower tier khan (not even that now) with less land and less affluent than most of the khans in Charssada.

Royal lineage? Show me where I tout royal as being a credential? I have time and time again discussed the Muhammadzao and how much damage they did to the Pashtuns. Hardly basking in the glow of such an "accomplished" clan.

Lol your own words above PROVE my point. Let us assume your statement is true and that I am a "lower tier" Khan. I can assure you that I am neither an upper tier or lower tier Khan since that structure was blown away by your boys with the sickles and pikes that you invited in as you paid homage to Kruschev Baba. Ironic is it not? You advocating Pashtun ascendency and Pashto and Pashtunwali but them clinging to the Red and dead ideology that pretty much destroys an integral part of the structure of tribes that you deemed expendable? Oh I forgot... the only Pashtun is not a religious one... its not a commoner... its not a tribal person... its one that is moustachio'd, pot bellied, who sings odes to his button up shirt and creates a false identity.... riiiiiiiight.

Now let us get back to the "lower Khans".. your own words above prove that you very much appreciate party politics and inheritance. Father to son to son to son inheritence can occur and screw the proletariot right? Screw the "lower Khan" loooool. What kind of hypocrasy are you preaching man?

On the one hand you were a group posing for pictures with Najib as if he were Paul McCartney and then kissing the feet of the Soviets who taught you about the "rights of the proletariot" and you winked and continue to defend the "land owning major Khans" practicing the utmost hypocrasy. And now when democratic capitalism whose cornerstone for success is steeped in meritocracy you wince and dont even admit to the quotes said by your OWN party leaders above.

its getting embarrassing Saib; take one stand or the other and quit being emotional because the shriller your shouts get the more I know I am catching you.

Regarding my dad's role, absolutely, strong family history of serving my adopted nation to the best of my ability but not letting is get above my humanity. I have good friends in the marines, the navy and have earned their respect for saying the same here as I do to them face to face. I interviewed for a medical position with the uniformed services that would entail healing people world round and only turned it away because I prefer small government. I have been fortunate to have the chance to talk to my colleagues before the Iraq debacle and call out Chalabi to his face and have been equally fortunate to unmask Hosseini in public and to also discuss the utter lack of benefit for peoples the world round when our elites link up with your elites to embroil us in struggles that do not matter at all to our national security interests.

Unlike you, I dont look at human beings as meat that is expendable.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

And Makarazai, how much do you conceal your venomous Akhwani hatred for the West and the country that hosts you i.e., US you will not be able to further the Akhwani agenda disguised as concern for US interests ----I fear, somehow, some Adam Lanza is going to find out your true intentions and empty his guns in that Akhani koprai.

Lol, ironic is it not? This term Ikhwani. Do you even know where that term comes from? Do you know its historical significance or did the mad red hatter factory teach it to you simply to engrain some terminology to resort to? Do you even know that they are an extinct species?

My people on both sides of the oceans are cognizent of my humanity for them. I have seen the exact way a black mother and a white mother mourn for their child dead before their time on the wards as I have a veterans family as I have my own native people in their less equipped facility. They all bleed in the same way as I place their central lines.

Quiet the contrary, Adam Lanza would probably come for you since he would know me as someone who tried to understand his angst and halt the disease process at its nidus instead of treating its symptoms as you do.

Its very fortunate you did not enter medicine as you are the type to treat a brain tumor with ibuprofin or a body in sepsis with Tylenol.

It will be great if Hagel comes to power and completely decides to let you loose on your own to deal with your own problems.

They are waking up Toramana... Ron Paul was at least in the Convention debates and created a stir. The CIA is beginning to leak information each time your pet elites here try to embed us into some other idiotic conflict. Are you ready to fight your own battle against Tor Patkaay Kaka? He appears to have been training vicously for a decade and you and Mr Karzai are in deeeep doo doo when the welfare checks stop coming.

Now that Mr. UBL is dead and gone; they are beginning to divest and understand they cannot build your vision for you... which is an excellent realization that I applaud!

[Toramana]

Moreover, as long as your brothers in unfettered violence and terror are there and your spiritual and ideological grand-pas like Abdullah Aazam, Osama Bin Laden, and Aimen Al-Zawahiri etc. go on making Pukhtun land as a base for their subversive and bloody agenda unleashing barbaric animals to destroy schools, hospitals, and other symbols of civility and development Pukhtuns are to remain poor on both sides.

Your fanaticism is making you blind to that fact. On the one hand you admire your one-eyed prophet Mullah Omar under whose kahalaftha Afghanistan descended into a stone age state, on the other hand you are criticizing ANP posting un-authentic sources.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Moreover, as long as your brothers in unfettered violence and terror are there and your spiritual and ideological grand-pas like Abdullah Aazam, Osama Bin Laden, and Aimen Al-Zawahiri etc. go on making Pukhtun land as a base for their subversive and bloody agenda unleashing barbaric animals to destroy schools, hospitals, and other symbols of civility and development Pukhtuns are to remain poor on both sides.

Your fanaticism is making you blind to that fact. On the one hand you admire your one-eyed prophet Mullah Omar under whose kahalaftha Afghanistan descended into a stone age state, on the other hand you are criticizing ANP posting un-authentic sources.

Oh thats rich... me the fanatic yet you are the one advocating plutocracy and then, like a religious zealot trying to reconcile the historical hypocrasy of your chosen messiahs in red hats in terms of past stances and current stances. I love how each time you try to point out how Mossoud and Hekmetyaar took fairangee aid and arms that you squirm when its point out to you that your own ideologies are warped to the point where you are now taking arms and treasure from the same exact group even though your ideologies stand in diametric opposition to their own. Do some work for God's sake... can't you guys actually accomplish something on your own for once instead of being a leech on other nations?

My ideological mentors??? Or your ideological mentors? They are your cash cows giving you the exact pretext through which to sustain this idiotic expense venture called nation building (which basically means acolytes like you make up a bunch of crap about how Pashtuns are bollywood stars dancing around in their villages singing poetry and waiting for outsiders to free them from tor patkaaywaal.

I have repeatedly stated here that nations ought to be left alone to develop and gave a historical comparison of America's own development as an autonomous nation from the kernal of theocracy.

My personal approach to revolution is one I have never stated hitherto this discussion. I am for a people's revolt and do not idolize figures. That approach (you know the one where you made Wali Khan and Ghani Khan into Golden Calfs) is bound for failure. Everyone of these people from Che Guevara to UBL to whoever else should just sit down, live their lives and let Orwell's horse get its butt kicked repeatedly.

I have studied how Guevara was betrayed by his own Latinos in Bolivia and how so many "revolutionaries" sacrificed their own sanity and lives for causes their people did not want to partake in. Im not blind, wasn't a white guy that led the Americans to their adversaries, its segments of the people themselves.

Orwell's horse from Animal Farm represents the people. Rather, I think you and your kind and Karzai should be given ULTIMATE power. Let the Kings of Saudi sit on their thrones and let them build Paris Hilton parks all over. All the humanistic peoples of the world should just sit back and let the elites continue their endeavors to the point where they, the people, screw themselves over. Let them experience your ANP style plutocracy until they feel the yolk firmly around their necks. Even here, let them experience a continued rule of the two party system while ignoring good men like Ron Paul as the nation devolves into a police state being robbed blind by Madoff and the likes. No more people with Guevara's intellect who could have been an EXCELLENT physician should have to go and take on a struggle for Orwell's horse when its goal is just to kick Guevara off and in the chest.

That is my view on revolution. I however, am not that apathetic where I am going to lie to myself like you and make up reasons why human beings act predictably.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Moreover, as long as your brothers in unfettered violence and terror are there and your spiritual and ideological grand-pas like Abdullah Aazam, Osama Bin Laden, and Aimen Al-Zawahiri etc. go on making Pukhtun land as a base for their subversive and bloody agenda unleashing barbaric animals to destroy schools, hospitals, and other symbols of civility and development Pukhtuns are to remain poor on both sides.

Your fanaticism is making you blind to that fact. On the one hand you admire your one-eyed prophet Mullah Omar under whose kahalaftha Afghanistan descended into a stone age state, on the other hand you are criticizing ANP posting un-authentic sources.

I dont get your mindset. One day you are saying stuff like this:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=34306

"I sometimes feel the stance of secularists to be not dependable. You tell Islamists not to pick guns and do it politically. But then when they do it in a democratic way like this Egyptian referendum, you still are not letting it go through. Let people go to referendum and say no to it or yes to it."

which indicates that you know full well what is going on. So that leaves me with one of two conclusions:

1) You are brain washed and have the aforementioned agenda that I noted above
2) Or you are just wasting my time and instead of wanting to teach me something you are simply bored and want a debate.


Which of the two is it? When are you going to actually act like a Mishr and actually leave behind the party politics mindset and video gaming and really talk rationally?

PS. Azmal you are still a maloderus piece of Persian feces

[Talal]

R.I.P but it will give significant boost to ANP in the upcoming elections

[Toramana]

http://dawn.com/2012/12/08/govt-claims-7pc-increase-in-literacy-rate/

PESHAWAR, Dec 7: The Awami National Party-led Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government on Friday claimed that it had raised literacy rate in the province by seven per cent during its four and a half years rule.

Briefing media persons about his ministry’s achievements here at Civil Officers Mess on Friday, Provincial Minister for Elementary and Secondary Education (E&SE) Sardar Babak said that 29,000 teachers had been recruited in government schools in their tenure so far. He said that seven per cent literacy had been increased during this time, while overall literacy rate stood at 56 per cent.

He said that currently male literacy rate stood at 74 per cent and female literacy rate at 38 per cent.

On the occasion, Provincial Minister for Higher Education Department Qazi Asad also highlighted achievements of his department. Information minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain and high ups of the higher education department and E&SE department were also present at the briefing.

Mr Asad said that the sitting government had almost doubled the number of colleges and universities in the province during its over four years rule. He said that successive governments had established 11 universities in 61 years in the province, while the present government set up eight universities during its tenure while the ninth one was under consideration.

The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa coalition government has decided to apprise masses about different initiatives it had undertaken during its tenure.

In this connection, ministers and secretaries of all departments would come one by one before the media and give information about the government’s achievements.

Mr Asad said that before 2008 there were 137 government colleges in the province, including 46 for girls, while the incumbent government had constructed 29 colleges, including 15 for girls. He said that another 72 colleges, including 46 for girls, were under construction.

The government has increased the development budget from Rs1.31 billion in 2007-08 to Rs5.06 billion for colleges and Rs1.51 billion for universities in 2012-13, he said.

The minister said that the number of enrolled students in colleges had increased from 99,422 in 2007-08 to 149,933 in 2012-13, while the number of teachers had also grown from 4,020 to 5,506.

He said that Rs100 million had been allocated in ADP 2012-13 for establishment of autonomous Education Services Academy and Rs60 million for teachers training.

He said that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was the first province which had initiated training for college teachers, linking training with the promotion of teachers besides launching pre-service training.

Mr Asad said that the ANP-led government had established six libraries at a cost of Rs266 million in Haripur, Swat, Timergara, Lakki Marwat, Kohat and Chitral.

He said that four-year Bachelor of Studies (BS) programme was introduced by the present government in 60 government colleges. Other achievements included laptop scheme, daycare centers in girl’s colleges and transport facility for female college teachers.

Minister for E&SE Sardar Babak said that 2,958 schools were damaged in 2005 earthquake of which 1,554 had been rebuilt while 754 schools were under construction. He said that of 750 schools damaged in bomb blasts 555 had been rebuilt while 195 were under construction.

He said that of 1,694 schools damaged in 2010 floods 589 had been rebuilt and 231 were under construction. He said that construction work on the remaining 874 damaged schools had not yet started.

The E&SE minister said that the present government had established 625 new primary schools, and upgraded 635 primary schools to middle and 325 schools to high and higher secondary levels.

http://dawn.com/2012/12/08/govt-claims-7pc-increase-in-literacy-rate/

[Toramana]

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.ca/2012/06/khyber-pakhtunkhwa-gears-up-for.html

[BarakzaiAbdali]

http://pukhtunkhwatimes.blogspot.ca/...rs-up-for.html

Come on wrora, you are giving me nothing except feel good propaganda.

Why dont you ever venture of the reservation and go rogue? For once drop the act and just tell people about the merits AND demerits of this group and others.

Answer the key questions about why you think there was a desire to link up with Russia and why the red menace became their go to. Was it simply that they were looking at the US as an extension of the Brits and thought my enemy's enemy is my friend?

Do you think Bacha Khan would be proud of the party as it is today?

Why must there be dynasties that hold the reigns of that party as well as other parties?

Why can they not live up to their campaign promises and stand up for their people and give Islamabad an ultimatum when it comes to the integrity and army occupation of their lands?

Because as I keep saying, logic and evidence tells me that reactionaryism grows as a direct result of outside force and intervention - people take solace under banners that will give them a moral imperitive and your group and its decisions only exacerbate that effect.

Is it not a fault that religion is mocked and is it not fool hardy to assume that after decades of trying and not being able to break the mullah's back that you can simply marginalize him?

Is it not as much an outside intervetionalist role to back one horse in Afghanistan while your adversary backs another one?

Give us some history, tell us about the evolution of thought and why folks made the decisions they did.

otherwise, I am not learning anything from you.