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  • #16
    Originally posted by Toramana View Post
    Terrorists have imposed this war on the unfortunate people of that region. Driven by their misanthropy and insane agenda, the bruits have tried to eliminate every one that has not bowed to them slaughtering innocent people in mosques, markets, bazars, etc.

    Nevertheless barbarism has never won against civilization; Stone-age cavemen are no match to the sophisticated ways of the modern man. Down the road in a decade they are going to be a story of the past only their brutal behavior live in history pages for "ibrath".
    ANP did not need any sophistication in bombing on people and trying bullets on Pashtuns by siding pak army and isi..... and the same for the opponents.

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    • #17
      i wish i had the opportunity to walk in to your funerals, sit next to your family members and remind them of how full of **** you were. you know, bring up every negative point and tell them that you were not worth mourning over.

      "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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      • #18
        Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
        Another one bites the dust!
        Pakistan politicians are all criminals.....

        OK, so you are happy you killed one as you say "corrupt" politician while the suicide bomber gets hell with 72 virgins because that is what the b@5T@RD mullah promised him... but what about the other 7 people? Where they corrupt too? Or did they too have a reason to die? Will you condemn this act because you killed innocents too? Will your iman be strong enough to stand against this barbarity? Or is your iman just one sided and you only see drone attacks. I say mullahs and usless people like the bomber should be "droned", again and again. I personally take pride when a drone wipes out B@5T@Rd mullahs like Hakimullah and all their thug mafia....

        The differnce between suicide blasts and drones is as sad as I am for Bilour, whatever he was, he was killed unjustly and in the name of what someone calls the "Islam" of 72 virgins, while drone attack kills terrorists like the mentor of the guy who just blew himself up for a sweet spot in Hell.
        Last edited by laevanay; 12-22-2012, 04:38 PM.
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        • #19
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          • #20
            Originally posted by laevanay View Post
            OK, so you are happy you killed one as you say "corrput" politician while the suicide bomber gets hell with 72 virgins because that is what the b@5T@RD mullah promised him... but what about the other 7 people? Will you condemn this act because you killed innocents too? Will your iman be strong enough to stand against this barbarity? Or is your iman just one sided and you only see drone attacks. I say mullahs and usless people like the bomber should be "droned", again I personally take pride when a drone wipes out B@5T@Rd mullahs like Hakimullah and all their thug mafia....

            The differnce between suicide blasts and drones is as sad as I am for Bilour, whatever he was, he was killed unjustly and in the name of what someone calls the "Islam" of 72 virgins, while drone attack kills terrorists like the mentor of the guy who just blew himself up for a sweet spot in Hell.
            Quiet the contrary. The majority, overwhelming majority of the data I might add, analyzed by Pape, The University of Maryland, and Now University of Arizona show that 72 virgins and these sorts of slogans are never mentioned in such instances.

            Instead its sick in the head people like yourself who want to promote sustained violence instead of a dialogue and sustained conversation. You and your ilk and they and their ilk are like two morons continuously yelling at eachother while wearing deafening headphones.

            Cutting the Fuse - Robert Pape and Gov. Thomas Kean - YouTube[/URL]

            Pape has the largest data set of such incidents and no mention of 72 virgins is ever made. Instead, the emphasis lies on a view that their way of life and their territorial integrity is threatened. Start the clip at 32 min 14 seconds.

            Cutting the Fuse - Robert Pape and Gov. Thomas Kean - YouTube

            You also sound very juvenile considering the fact that tactics of desperation are bound to be utilized in situations of assymetry. As Pape notes, it has nothing to do with Islam, Politics, etc. Its a war maneuver used even by anti Batista rebels in Cuba when Americans armed that regime to the teeth. If we are to permit the notion that the most high resolution form of weaponry available today is a drone, then your comment makes little sense since even with high resolution, casualties abound.

            The situation should be one of dialogue where both groups sit down and start talking about their ideologies, goals, and what is best for their peoples.

            Perhaps, they might find that they can get along once they see that there is a human being beneath the sloganeering. I am very sure that each of these people has/had a family, each has held their child at one point, and each has loved their wife and colleagues as friends. Once their common humanity is discussed in the presence of nonpartisan people with NO vested interest (folks like as Scheuer, Pape, Ron Paul, Carter etc) and they understand that outside interventionalism of any sort in their territory is the underlying disease and they are but symptoms - you may see a change. Otherwise, this idiotic stereotyping that you do only perpetuates the problem.
            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Toramana View Post
              Unlike you and your bloody ilk who sit in the US and enjoy its lavishes including medical education at one of its institutions but go on spitting in the same plate from which they eat as all Akhwani crooks do, Bashir Bilour stood his ground against barbarism moving around freely among masses like a common man even at risk to his life.

              That makes him a better human-being than you.
              Quite the contrary my misguided misanthrope. I eat out of the plate and cook up some of my own gumbo and offer it in return.

              You see Toramana, despite your quest to belong - you will have a duality to your nature. It will never be that one of those natures is attached to the bucolic and beautiful villages of Pashtunkhwa.... rather its an ideological reflexive identity that requires low intelligence meanderings of thought. Just as a blue stater sees a red stater and vice versa and assumes that the other believes things that they may not - you are built purely to act on emotion and reflex (two very low level defense mechanisms) when you hear what the red hat automoton factory says are "trigger words".

              Time and time again, people with no vested interest in the matter, such as Paul, Scheuer, etc have shown that hatred for civility, western civilization, and the peoples of the western countries are not in the discourse. Even white racist mongers such as Dr. William Pierce have made it apparent in their talks that their sons and daughters dying for interventionalism.

              And who is a proponent of interventionalism and cowardice? Why none other than you and Bilour and the likes of both of you of course!

              If you consider my contributions to my adopted society as spitting then why we might say that you have done me one greater and sh-at in the plate that the Canadians offer you. Why, when they offer you a position of great esteem as a student amongst them do you and your Bilour advocate that their sons and daughters perish for your causes??? Why should Americans and Canadians have to listen to you genuflecting to them on the one hand but on the other hand have to do for you the same exact thing that you claim the muj fighters asked them to do before (ie fight your war for you?).

              Every Canadian, in my opinion should say to you and the likes of you, if they want to learn Pashto:

              Zghalaa, khpaal kaar wekaa ka wataandaar ye.

              Your duality of nature, i.e. your view that you understand the dialect and thoughts of these people is hilarious. I have lived amongst them from birth, learned from them, befriended them, and have talked to them openly at length, providing them their own people's writings about the conflict that they are engaged in on your behalf. Once they understand your fifth column faux citizenry, they are at once disgusted and prefer to stay out rather than in. I could never hate such people.
              "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                Quiet the contrary. The majority, overwhelming majority of the data I might add, analyzed by Pape, The University of Maryland, and Now University of Arizona show that 72 virgins and these sorts of slogans are never mentioned in such instances.

                Instead its sick in the head people like yourself who want to promote sustained violence instead of a dialogue and sustained conversation. You and your ilk and they and their ilk are like two morons continuously yelling at eachother while wearing deafening headphones.

                Cutting the Fuse - Robert Pape and Gov. Thomas Kean - YouTube[/URL]

                Pape has the largest data set of such incidents and no mention of 72 virgins is ever made. Instead, the emphasis lies on a view that their way of life and their territorial integrity is threatened. Start the clip at 32 min 14 seconds.

                Cutting the Fuse - Robert Pape and Gov. Thomas Kean - YouTube

                You also sound very juvenile considering the fact that tactics of desperation are bound to be utilized in situations of assymetry. As Pape notes, it has nothing to do with Islam, Politics, etc. Its a war maneuver used even by anti Batista rebels in Cuba when Americans armed that regime to the teeth. If we are to permit the notion that the most high resolution form of weaponry available today is a drone, then your comment makes little sense since even with high resolution, casualties abound.

                The situation should be one of dialogue where both groups sit down and start talking about their ideologies, goals, and what is best for their peoples.

                Perhaps, they might find that they can get along once they see that there is a human being beneath the sloganeering. I am very sure that each of these people has/had a family, each has held their child at one point, and each has loved their wife and colleagues as friends. Once their common humanity is discussed in the presence of nonpartisan people with NO vested interest (folks like as Scheuer, Pape, Ron Paul, Carter etc) and they understand that outside interventionalism of any sort in their territory is the underlying disease and they are but symptoms - you may see a change. Otherwise, this idiotic stereotyping that you do only perpetuates the problem.
                Typical Akhwani crookedness and *******ized mentality. Why should asymmetrical warfare be practiced on people in Peshawar, Swat, Charssada, etc. in mosques, funeral prayers, buses, schools, etc. who have got nothing to do with these issues? And who can negotiate with the bruits who only know the language of force to achieve a political agenda.

                You, Friend aka EMKhan, Afghanistan2010, Shah-i-kote, etc. are sitting in peace in the West and are joyace over the killing of someone back home who doesn't share the insane agenda of the barbaric faction. Aren't you people a mortal threat to the West using your antipathy against it and all others who believe in political process and you mis-perceive to be colluding with the West should an opportunity arise?

                The plane fact is it is a war-----war between between those who believe in rationality, political process, practicability, etc. and those who employ the ways of terror and speak the language of terror like yourself no matter how couched in sweet language.
                Last edited by Toramana; 12-22-2012, 05:33 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                  Typical Akhwani crookedness and *******ized mentality. Why should asymmetrical warfare be practiced on people in Peshawar, Swat, Charssada, etc. in mosques, funeral prayers, buses, schools, etc. who have got nothing to do with these issues? And who can negotiate with the bruits who only know the strategy of force to achieve a political agenda.

                  You, Friend aka EMKhan, Afghanistan2010, Shah-i-kote, etc. are sitting in peace in the West and are joyace over the killing of someone who doesn't share the insane agenda of the barbaric faction. Aren't you people a mortal threat to the West using your antipathy against it and all others who believe in political process?

                  The plane fact is it is a war-----war between between those who believe in rationality, political process, practicability, etc. and those who employ the ways of terror and speak the language of terror.
                  Who is joyace over this incident ? I am praying for him. will you stop your drinking and dancing and your secular ideas in his mourning if you love him so much ???

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                    Quiet the contrary. The majority, overwhelming majority of the data I might add, analyzed by Pape, The University of Maryland, and Now University of Arizona show that 72 virgins and the.......
                    Help me understand because it seems you have a close relations to collect "the majority of data you collected analyzed by Pape" that 72 virgins do not come into question. I would like to understand how you got to that conclusion? There are people in Africa that are much worse off and in other parts of the world. Japan was bombed using A-bombs and had every right to retaliation but no one is blowing themselves up.

                    You may find excuses for the barbaric actions of those terrorists but they are just that, low-lives who have nothing good to do and are selfish leaving behind parents and their wife and kids. They are nothing but local idiots who kill themselves in the name of religion. I wonder how long it will take you to start blaming ISI, RAW, CIA etc etc.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                      Quite the contrary my misguided misanthrope. I eat out of the plate and cook up some of my own gumbo and offer it in return.

                      You see Toramana, despite your quest to belong - you will have a duality to your nature. It will never be that one of those natures is attached to the bucolic and beautiful villages of Pashtunkhwa.... rather its an ideological reflexive identity that requires low intelligence meanderings of thought. Just as a blue stater sees a red stater and vice versa and assumes that the other believes things that they may not - you are built purely to act on emotion and reflex (two very low level defense mechanisms) when you hear what the red hat automoton factory says are "trigger words".

                      Time and time again, people with no vested interest in the matter, such as Paul, Scheuer, etc have shown that hatred for civility, western civilization, and the peoples of the western countries are not in the discourse. Even white racist mongers such as Dr. William Pierce have made it apparent in their talks that their sons and daughters dying for interventionalism.

                      And who is a proponent of interventionalism and cowardice? Why none other than you and Bilour and the likes of both of you of course!

                      If you consider my contributions to my adopted society as spitting then why we might say that you have done me one greater and sh-at in the plate that the Canadians offer you. Why, when they offer you a position of great esteem as a student amongst them do you and your Bilour advocate that their sons and daughters perish for your causes??? Why should Americans and Canadians have to listen to you genuflecting to them on the one hand but on the other hand have to do for you the same exact thing that you claim the muj fighters asked them to do before (ie fight your war for you?).

                      Every Canadian, in my opinion should say to you and the likes of you, if they want to learn Pashto:

                      Zghalaa, khpaal kaar wekaa ka wataandaar ye.

                      Your duality of nature, i.e. your view that you understand the dialect and thoughts of these people is hilarious. I have lived amongst them from birth, learned from them, befriended them, and have talked to them openly at length, providing them their own people's writings about the conflict that they are engaged in on your behalf. Once they understand your fifth column faux citizenry, they are at once disgusted and prefer to stay out rather than in. I could never hate such people.
                      Now don't be deceptive like a "makara khaza" a trait that so characterizes Islamists and Akhwanis who while embedded in Western societies drive their devilish agenda and conceal their Islamist propaganda in "show of concern/pain" for US and Canadian soldiers fighting Awami National Party war as they say in Afghanistan.

                      US or Canadian or for that matter Turkey's soldiers aren't fighting my war or ANP's or any other Pukhtun's war. They are fighting their own war because the blood ravenous bruits have attacked them as well. In fact, this is a war between the whole civilized world on the one side and barbarism on the other. The bloody monsters wouldn't stop where they are if not checked. That is the plane fact.

                      One should not forget London metro-bombing, WTC, suicide bombing in Russia, China, etc.

                      As for interventionist policy, as long as the bruits don't play by rules and try to grab power through violence and terror tactics destabilizing our societies there is going to be intervention. You create a vacuum and there are going to be foreign hands there.

                      Last edited by Toramana; 12-22-2012, 05:40 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
                        ^ Barakzai, Bilour was on the hit list and already escaped many suicide attacks. But unlike others he didn't run towards Islamabad after the attacks on him neither he went to London to condemn via telephone. He stood in the front row like a man. #RESPECT!!
                        Lets talk about this. My view Shahbaz is that whenever we hear anything in this world, we need to reflect, gather information as we would data, and then pass judgement if we desire to do so. For instance, if someone tells me that the IRA is a terrorist organization or that Che Guevara is an evil man - I immediatly do my best to go and read up on these groups and their goals from outside sources to better understand their motives and ideologies.

                        So I have spent the morning reading about the Bilour family, since I know nothing about them. All I know is that one member of the family was involved in some controversy recently when he got himself involved in the cartoon scandal.

                        So here is what I read:

                        The two prominent brothers were and are ghulam Ahmad and Bashir Ahmad... both of the Hindko speaking Bilour family with possible roots tracable to Bajour.

                        http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...f_fuedalis.htm

                        This author from Bajaur actually praises the ANP and also discusses the feudal nature of both the Hoti and Bilour families.

                        Yet in the same breath the man denied the now feudal nature of that very party dominated by the likes of Bacha Khan's decrepit moustachio'd midline obesity plagued scions is dismissed by the brothers who themselves are a part of that system.

                        http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...ls-says-Bilour

                        The brothers' own family history is intertwined with that of jinnah and they lobbied for the election of a member of that family; yet how they reconcile being members of a nationalist party that claims jinnah is Satan incarnate behooves an explanation of the hypocrasy:
                        http://jang.com.pk/thenews/may2008-w...008/pol1.htm#3

                        Here is one family members view on how democratic politics work:

                        " Keeping in view the decades-long services of the Bilour family for the ANP, the sacrifices we have made for the party and the number of times we have won elections from its platform, we deserved the office of chief minister in the province -- in fact, it was our right.


                        Meaning meritocracy is flushed down the toilet - but its his family's right to inherit positions.

                        Here, he confirms the presence of militarily armed Western forces in Pakistan that are permitted to stay to protect interventionalists and aid the Pakistani military in operations in KP:
                        http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...in-NWFP-Bilour

                        I find it severely hypocritical that this party claims to stand for Pashtun independence, but takes no firm stance. They now control the KP government and have every right to tell the central government that they will secede from the federation that is Pakistan if all forms of intervention are not immediately ceased.

                        http://dawn.com/2012/05/13/anp-lawma...ecomes-poorer/

                        Above is an article detailing how the leadership of this party is pretty much on par with all the corrupt parties of Pakistan... feudalistic to the core and hell bent on enriching themselves with some token handouts like renaming airports and opening faux universities in an effort to claim that they have benefited the people. The numbers on the other hand dont lie.

                        Every party in that country is a deficit and a albatross around the neck of the people of your nation... every one of them is a fifth column citizen that sustains a nonmeritocratic system which is a cancer in south central asia.

                        And now, instead of trying to look at the data and understand why his nation has become one of the most dangerous places on earth, the provincial leader, a certain Mian Hussein is calling for increased incendiary militarization and action against his own people. When it comes to writing on the wall, he has declared himself an illiterate. Personal vandettas dominate their lives versus caring truly about peace for their people and the people of neighboring Afghanistan.
                        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by laevanay View Post
                          Help me understand because it seems you have a close relations to collect "the majority of data you collected analyzed by Pape" that 72 virgins do not come into question. I would like to understand how you got to that conclusion? There are people in Africa that are much worse off and in other parts of the world. Japan was bombed using A-bombs and had every right to retaliation but no one is blowing themselves up.

                          You may find excuses for the barbaric actions of those terrorists but they are just that, low-lives who have nothing good to do and are selfish leaving behind parents and their wife and kids. They are nothing but local idiots who kill themselves in the name of religion. I wonder how long it will take you to start blaming ISI, RAW, CIA etc etc.
                          The plane fact is, it is a war. A war between those who believe in long-run strength and stability (and empowerment) through peace, hard-work, civility, education, development, and practicality and those who are driven by the sane impulsive thinking that they can achieve victory by killing people randomly.

                          It is a war between those who are being strategic and those who are driven by their brutal impulses.

                          These Barakzai, Shah-i-Kote, Afghanistan2010, Emkhan Aka Friend, etc. would be as joyful as they are over the death of Bashir Bilour if we are harmed. The virus of terror, revenge, victim hood, violence, blood-thirsty hatred has as much infected their brains as it has that of their brothers in terror in some cave of Waziristan.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                            Typical Akhwani crookedness and *******ized mentality. Why should asymmetrical warfare be practiced on people in Peshawar, Swat, Charssada, etc. in mosques, funeral prayers, buses, schools, etc. who have got nothing to do with these issues? And who can negotiate with the bruits who only know the language of force to achieve a political agenda.

                            You, Friend aka EMKhan, Afghanistan2010, Shah-i-kote, etc. are sitting in peace in the West and are joyace over the killing of someone back home who doesn't share the insane agenda of the barbaric faction. Aren't you people a mortal threat to the West using your antipathy against it and all others who believe in political process and you mis-perceive to be colluding with the West should an opportunity arise?

                            The plane fact is it is a war-----war between between those who believe in rationality, political process, practicability, etc. and those who employ the ways of terror and speak the language of terror like yourself no matter how couched in sweet language.
                            Really? Is Mr. Scheuer also a rabid ikhwani???? Is Mr. Pape the same?? Last I heard Ron Paul doesnt carry a Quran around.

                            Your brain circuits are currently overloaded with adrenaline... fists clenched... heart pumping with useless rage... all a drama you inflict on yourself. Shadows run around in your brain where logic doth not reside; instead reflexive mannerisms abide and activate like an old train inching out its station like a relic of the past.

                            I am not advocating for assymetry. An explanation of why a thing occurs (e.g. an Earthquake in Tibet) is not advocacy of such measures. Quiet the contrary, I think such measures are counterproductive and end up being utilized as reverse propaganda. But the assymetry occurs simply because your boys in the red hats are speaking out of two sides of their mouths - genuflecting to Washington then genuflecting to Islamabad then genuflecting to Karzai all while their people are embedded in a war of attrition. The ruling party is in place, i.e. the donkeys in red hats, and yet they are surprised that spillover from FATA is occurring deeper and deeper into mainland KP??? Are you blind or insane, or both? Do you think that when a war is going on some kilometers a way that it has no ability to come the center of a province? Man, are you sure you are an engineer, because it seems you cannot even comprehend the basic concept of distance.

                            I dont need sweet words. My sweet utilization of my medical education on the part of both of my peoples as a healer is enough for them.

                            All while you chase your dead ikhwani ghosts across the desert, I will continue to build friendships across this great land with diverse peoples who are waking up to the fact that they are being used for a subpar imitator of and Israeli fifth column citizen.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                              Now don't be deceptive like a "makara khaza" a trait that so characterizes Islamists and Akhwanis who while embedded in Western societies drive their devilish agenda and conceal their Islamist propaganda in "show of concern/pain" for US and Canadian soldiers fighting Awami National Party war as they say in Afghanistan.

                              US or Canadian or for that matter Turkey's soldiers aren't fighting my war or ANP's or any other Pukhtun's war. They are fighting their own war because the blood ravenous bruits have attacked them as well. In fact, this is a war between the whole civilized world on the one side and barbarism on the other. The bloody monsters wouldn't stop where they are if not checked. That is the plane fact.

                              One should not forget London metro-bombing, WTC, suicide bombing in Russia, China, etc.

                              As for interventionist policy, as long as the bruits don't play by rules and try to grab power through violence and terror tactics destabilizing our societies there is going to be intervention. You create a vacuum and there are going to be foreign hands there.
                              Quit talking like an unlettered moron and assuming that we are as uneducated in history as the tools that wear red hats. History did not initiate in 2001. A cabal of neoconservatives have held this nation hostage for decades. An equally brutal cabal of Trotskyites did the same to teh Russian people. I emphasie the word of the day genuflect because that is the constant state of mind you live in. Powerless to do your own bidding your heroes genuflected to Khruschev Khan and then ran over a cliff like lemmings when your opponents did their own arming. You bought this mess to your own door with your inability to govern effectively and to erect a meritocracy. Ikhwans were your guerrillas in the mist back in the 20s,30s,40s, and 50s and your constant go to donkeys on which to pin your own magnetic tail that just keeps coming back to reattach itself to you.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                                Lets talk about this. My view Shahbaz is that whenever we hear anything in this world, we need to reflect, gather information as we would data, and then pass judgement if we desire to do so. For instance, if someone tells me that the IRA is a terrorist organization or that Che Guevara is an evil man - I immediatly do my best to go and read up on these groups and their goals from outside sources to better understand their motives and ideologies.

                                So I have spent the morning reading about the Bilour family, since I know nothing about them. All I know is that one member of the family was involved in some controversy recently when he got himself involved in the cartoon scandal.

                                So here is what I read:

                                The two prominent brothers were and are ghulam Ahmad and Bashir Ahmad... both of the Hindko speaking Bilour family with possible roots tracable to Bajour.

                                http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...f_fuedalis.htm

                                This author from Bajaur actually praises the ANP and also discusses the feudal nature of both the Hoti and Bilour families.

                                Yet in the same breath the man denied the now feudal nature of that very party dominated by the likes of Bacha Khan's decrepit moustachio'd midline obesity plagued scions is dismissed by the brothers who themselves are a part of that system.

                                http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...ls-says-Bilour

                                The brothers' own family history is intertwined with that of jinnah and they lobbied for the election of a member of that family; yet how they reconcile being members of a nationalist party that claims jinnah is Satan incarnate behooves an explanation of the hypocrasy:
                                http://jang.com.pk/thenews/may2008-w...008/pol1.htm#3

                                Here is one family members view on how democratic politics work:

                                " Keeping in view the decades-long services of the Bilour family for the ANP, the sacrifices we have made for the party and the number of times we have won elections from its platform, we deserved the office of chief minister in the province -- in fact, it was our right.


                                Meaning meritocracy is flushed down the toilet - but its his family's right to inherit positions.

                                Here, he confirms the presence of militarily armed Western forces in Pakistan that are permitted to stay to protect interventionalists and aid the Pakistani military in operations in KP:
                                http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...in-NWFP-Bilour

                                I find it severely hypocritical that this party claims to stand for Pashtun independence, but takes no firm stance. They now control the KP government and have every right to tell the central government that they will secede from the federation that is Pakistan if all forms of intervention are not immediately ceased.

                                http://dawn.com/2012/05/13/anp-lawma...ecomes-poorer/

                                Above is an article detailing how the leadership of this party is pretty much on par with all the corrupt parties of Pakistan... feudalistic to the core and hell bent on enriching themselves with some token handouts like renaming airports and opening faux universities in an effort to claim that they have benefited the people. The numbers on the other hand dont lie.

                                Every party in that country is a deficit and a albatross around the neck of the people of your nation... every one of them is a fifth column citizen that sustains a nonmeritocratic system which is a cancer in south central asia.

                                And now, instead of trying to look at the data and understand why his nation has become one of the most dangerous places on earth, the provincial leader, a certain Mian Hussein is calling for increased incendiary militarization and action against his own people. When it comes to writing on the wall, he has declared himself an illiterate. Personal vandettas dominate their lives versus caring truly about peace for their people and the people of neighboring Afghanistan.
                                Makarzai now don't try to make a mole out of a mountain---Now a days one canal house in Hayatabad is worth 15 millions. So don't be deceived by these figures or try to deceive others. And Bilours are an old business family of Peshawar affluent since an earlier time.

                                If that is to be the criteria, what about Qazi Hussain Ahmad your Akhwani grand-pa and Ziaul Haq and Akhtar Abdur Rahman your mentors in jehad/terror and ideology who have gone from being commoners to the top-affluent families of Pakistan thanks the CIA money and Arab petro-dollars.

                                What about your grandest grand-papa Osama Bin Laden who was a billionaire? Is not he responsible for part of the poverty problem both in Afghanistan and Pukhtunkhwa. But I know that isn't a problem for you.

                                Last edited by Toramana; 12-22-2012, 06:19 PM.

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