French police corner Al-Qaeda suspect after shootings

[Al Hanif]

It's funny to see how people who call themselves "muslims" give a bigger thought for people who do just the same (but in a MUCH lower scale) than what has been happening in the Arab world and Afghanistan for years.

How many civilians died in Iraq? Did they even get a apology? Money? Did some redneck in Mississipppi give them a thought?

Brother,

That's called hypocrisy. Many people in this forum are hyporcites.

They have proved it again and again and again.

You just have to read the hadiths about hypocrites and the Surat Al Munafiqun.

[Al Hanif]

Alotta arabs in the french army?

Statistics are forbidden in France so it's hard to tell.

However, in the population :

7% of North Africans.
3% of Blacks.
1.4% of Turks.

I guess it's the same rates in the Army but since Immigrants are poorer I guess it's slightly more.

Nationalist websites say it's between 10 and 20% but I highly doubt it.

I'd say it's around 10%

[BarakzaiAbdali]

This topic and news is irrelevent to Pashtun issues and is actually a potentially bad topic to be talking about in the current climate where freedom of speech is generally becoming more limited.

However, here is an excellent background article on the roots of conflict in France and how the Algerian French Conflict has led to pain and suffering for both the French people and the Algerians. Once again, the elites of both countries are involving their people in conflicts that are resulting in the CIA's exact definition of blowback.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...016144690.html

[roadrunner]

Start another thread if you want to talk about Iraq.

I'm in two minds about whether capital punishment should be used in this case.

These sorts of people are more dangerous to Muslims than others.

[Karachi]

Brother,

That's called hypocrisy. Many people in this forum are hyporcites.

They have proved it again and again and again.

You just have to read the hadiths about hypocrites and the Surat Al Munafiqun.

It's not hypocrisy, any innocent people/children killed, be it in Afghanistan, Palestine, France etc... is wrong, no body here will defend such killings, it's common sense, but only a inhumane moron like you will try to justify the killing of a random jewish family who has nothing to do with what is happening in palestine.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

From Al Jazeera

Paris, France - The Arab Spring has done little to threaten the status quo in Algeria, leaving outside commentators puzzled over what some are calling the "Algerian exception".
The arrest by French authorities of Mourad Dhina, one of the most vocal critics of Algeria's administration, underscores just how little has changed in the North African country, activists told Al Jazeera.
While neighbouring countries have experienced dramatic change, the Algerian government continues to stifle political dissent. The "Dhina Affair" also exposes the French government's ardent support for their Algerian allies.
Five decades ago, Algerians won their independence from French colonial domination, and, since 1962, the country has been ruled by the National Liberation Front (FLN). Many opposition figures and activists argue that it is the military, however, that holds the real political power, behind the veneer of the FLN's civilian government.
Algeria did experience protests early in 2011 Arab Spring, but the momentum soon faded. Algerians have lived through the brutality of French colonialism, and the decade-long "Dirty War" of the 1990s, leaving a legacy of violence and disillusionment.
With the rise of political Islam in Tunisia, Libya and Morocco, the rulers of Algeria have introduced reforms that suggest a willingness to accept some degree of change, and as the country prepares for its legislative election on May 10, there are signs that the FLN might find more political space for opposition parties - including a newly formed alliance of officially sanctioned Islamist parties named the Green Algeria Alliance.
And, for the first time in its history, Algeria has invited international election observers to monitor the poll.
But those calling for more extensive reforms and an end to the generals' behind-the-scenes political control are likely to be disappointed.
Abbas Aroua, a co-founder (with Dhina) of opposition exile group Rachad, said that the reforms were nothing more than a façade, and that the government's repression of activists and journalists had increased in the past year.
"There are a couple of countries that tried to escape from this wave [the Arab Spring]. Algeria is one of them," he said.
"People who are saying ‘no' to these fake reforms are being harshly attacked."
Ali Belhadj, the founding second-in-charge of the outlawed Islamic Salvation Front (FIS), was also arrested in early February near Béjaïa as he toured the Kabylia region, according to reports in Algerian media.

French imprisonment
The Rachad movement has been particularly energised in recent months, and had held a protest in Paris on January 11, marking the 20th anniversary of the 1992 military coup outside the Algerian embassy in Paris. Dhina did not attend the protest, but was in Paris at the same time for a meeting of Rachad’s Paris office.
On January 16, Dhina was arrested at Orly Airport in Paris, as he was about to board a plane to Geneva. Since then, he has since been imprisoned in La Sante Prison.
The 50-year-old former FIS member is being held while France examines a 2003 extradition request from Algeria, which alleges that he belonged to "an armed terrorist group in Switzerland from 1997 to 1999". The Swiss have rejected similar requests from Algeria, and view the allegations as politically motivated.
"There is no proof behind their allegations," said Dhina's wife, Ratiba. "They're inventing lies because he's an opponent of their regime and a human rights activist."
His next hearing is scheduled for March 21. In the meantime, the French authorities have refused his request for conditional release under house arrest.
Alkarama Foundation, a Geneva-based NGO, of which Dhina has been executive director since 2007, has said that he would be at risk of torture if France allows his extradition. Such a move would, Alkarama argues, therefore be in breach of France's obligations under both the European Convention on Human Rights and the United Nations Convention against Torture.
Neither the French foreign ministry nor interior ministry were willing to speak to Al Jazeera for this article.

A member of the Swiss federal police was later convicted of spying for Algerian intelligence in its hunt against Algerian dissidents living in Switzerland.
Back in Algeria, the charges stuck, and a court convicted Dhina to 20 years in absentia in 1997.
"As with many Algerian opposition figures, Algerian authorities have been trying to have him extradited for many years," said Michael Romig, a human rights officer at AlKarama.
The Algerian authorities sent another extradition request to Swiss authorities in 2001, claiming he had been a member of a terrorist group based in Switzerland. The Swiss refused.
The terrorism allegations are "complete rubbish", Joffé said.

Leader-in-exile
With the crackdown against the FIS inside Algeria, the torch for the movement was passed to those living abroad, and, despite his brief involvement with the movement, Dhina quickly earned the respect of the FIS leadership.
He was appointed provisional head of the movement's national executive bureau in 2002, while its leaders Ali Belhadj and Abbassi Madani were in prison.
By 2004, however, he had become frustrated with what he believed was the party's failure to act as a coherent and disciplined political force. He issued a statement announcing his resignation from the FIS, rejecting its "organisational dysfunction".

Plus ça change
Since the end of the colonial era, the French government has fostered notoriously close relationships with Algeria's military rulers, an alliance defined by uncompromising raison d'État, but faced with the weight of protest movements that have shaken the region for more than a year, President Nicolas Sarkozy's government was forced to reconsider its ties with North African authoritarian leaders.
Michèle Alliot-Marie, then France's foreign minister, offered Tunisia "know-how" to help "deal" with the uprising there in January 2011, just days before President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali was ousted. Public opinion turned against her and she was forced to resign.
In response to a question [Fr] on Wednesday on Europe 1, a French radio network, about the biggest error of his presidency, Sarkozy went so far as to say it was to have failed to anticipate the Tunisian Uprising:

"Without a doubt, to not have seen the Jasmin Revolution [sic] coming, and it's no consolation that no one saw it coming."

Alain Juppé, who replaced Alliot-Marie as foreign minister, has advocated the need for France to build better ties with opposition movements, Islamist or not, in North Africa.
"I wish for the opening of straightforward dialogue with Islamist groups that respect democratic [values] and refuse any form of violence," he reportedly said in April 2011.
Aroua agreed: "Juppé has been trying to [push for] a change in France's foreign policy, supporting more and more movements for freedom in the Arab world, trying to stop supporting dictatorships."
Yet when it comes to petroleum-rich Algeria, France appears to be maintaining its support for its military allies. The terms of France's diplomatic relationship with Algeria continue to be conducted by the French security establishment, as they have been since independence in 1962.
Juppé's inability to sway this has left him frustrated, according to an official in the foreign ministry who spoke on condition of anonymity.
During a December 2011 visit to Algiers, Claude Guéant, France's interior minister, called the "democratic" reforms "profoundly encouraging", the Algerian daily Le Matin reported [Fr].
The Dhina Affair has underlined the historic split between Juppé - who since the mid-1990s has advocated a nuanced position on Algeria and Pasqua - firmly in the generals' camp, a French foreign ministry official told Al Jazeera.
Meanwhile, there's also the possibility that the French authorities are scrambling to compensate Algiers for the ongoing investigation into the mysterious circumstances surrounding the murder of the seven monks of Tibhirine.
Refusal to compromise
Algeria's reforms potentially open the path for the pro-regime Islamist Green Algeria Alliance to win a substantial percentage of the vote in the May election. Dhina has consistently criticised pro-regime Islamist parties.
Days before his trip to Paris, Dhina was approached by an emissary sent by the new head of Algeria's secret services General Bachir Tertag, an Algerian newspaper reported in January [Fr].
Dhina's wife and colleagues confirmed to Al Jazeera that shortly before his arrest, the physicist had been approached by administration representatives seeking some kind of "deal".
As he has many times before, Dhina refused to compromise on his activism.
"The Algerian regime has tried many times to contact him," his wife Ratiba said. "But it's against his principles."
She said that the regime reacted to his refusal to negotiate with threats that they would have him extradited.
Aroua said the secret services had approached Dhina and other key members of Rachad repeatedly.
"They've asked us to come to an agreement with them, and they offered positions and privileges, and they said: 'Just say what you want and we'll find a way to do things'," he said.
"But they're never ready to question the nature of their system. We always said we should be approached in a transparent way, we don't want a bilateral, secret deal with you."

Systematic harassment
Mohammed Samraoui, the former second-in-charge of Algeria's counter-intelligence services who defected to Germany in 1996 and went on to become a leading critic of the "Dirty War", said Dhina's arrest was an example of the systematic harassment of anyone considered to be a threat.
Samraoui was also one of the co-founders of Rachad in 2007, and he faced a similar extradition attempt while visiting Spain for an international chess tournament, shortly after the organisation was launched. When he was released on bail, he fled to Germany.
"They know that it won't be possible to extradite Mourad Dhina, and their objective is to unsettle him with legal costs, expensive commutes between Geneva and Paris for his family members," Samraoui said in an email interview. "They're trying to intimidate anyone considering fighting for change in Algeria."
Anwar Haddam, a former member of the FIS executive authority in exile, said that, given the history of France's treatment of Algerian exiles, Dhina should not have travelled there by plane.
"I was not surprised that they arrested him, because we knew they'd been after him for a long time," said Haddam, who has lived in the US for nearly two decades.
Haddam, whose own status in the US remains tenuous, said France and the US both accept Algerian officials' use of terrorism allegations as a means to harass opponents.
"They're trying to use us, the opposition, as leverage, in order to get whatever they want to get from the Algerians," Haddam said. "Unfortunately, France repeats the same mistakes."
Joffé agreed that extradition requests were a frequent tactic the Algerian authorities used to harass leading dissidents.
"It's a scattergun approach, and it works very effectively," he said.
"When you massacre your own people, make millions of young people disappear and subsume the country with fire and blood, just to stay in power, I believe there is a serious lack of governance," Samraoui said.
"There is corruption at every level, this is why it is normal that a person like Dhina disturbs them, and why they will discredit him at any price, accusing him of being a ‘fundamentalist,' a ‘terrorist,' a ‘traitor' or a ‘foreign agent'."

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Michael Scheuer, former head of Alec Station has already explained this phenomena well enough here in a former article hearkening back to a similar situation in respect to Sweden.

Why is a dead Islamist bomber smarter than three U.S. presidents?

By Michael Scheuer

wrote the article below the broken line for the National Interest’s foreign affairs blog this week. The Islamist bombing in Sweden last Saturday (11 December 10) has again given the U.S. government and its allies a chance to understand that the primary motivation of Osama bin Laden al-Qaeda, their allies, and those they inspire is to be found in U.S. and Western policies and their impact in the Muslim world, and not in the West’s lifestyle and political systems. This is the umpteenth chance Western leaders have had to find this key insight in the aftermath of an Islamist attack. Will they take it?

Early evidence suggests they will not. Swedish officials are already authorizing increased funding to find out what “radicalizes” young Swedish Muslims, and have cried out against those who “poison the minds” of those young men. U.S. officials, too, have ratcheted up their tearful whining about the “increasing radicalization” of young, U.S.-citizen Muslims, and the Congress is about to hold hearings on “radicalization.” The latter, of course, will result in borrowing more money from the Chinese and the Saudis to greatly increase funding for the wizards of social science to “study” radicalization and its causes.

After a long and expensive study, the social-science frauds will find numerous untrue causes for radicalization — the intolerance of Americans, growing Islamophobia, the activities of the political right, etc, etc, etc. They will then draft a plan that yields substantial new spending and the further regulation of U.S. society according to the “progressive (read socialist)” ideals of the Democratic party and its acolytes who dominate the U.S. academy.

Armed with these findings, Washington will march forward to “perfect” U.S. society to make it more welcoming to Muslims, while al-Qaeda and its allies continue to grow in numbers and military capability because their motivation is based on the foreign policies that our genius social scientists and august political leaders argue have nothing to do with the war the Islamists are waging at us. And so we will continue down the road toward economic ruin, increasing Islamist attacks in the United States, and ultimate defeat.

How can it be that a very dead Islamist bomber educated at the UK’s Bedfordshire University is so much very much smarter than Bill Clinton (Yale and Oxford), George Bush (Yale), and Barack Obama (Columbia and Harvard)? Simple, the dead Islamist saw the world as it is, the others see a world that exists only in their arrogant and Ivy League-damaged minds.

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Swedish Motivation
The configuration and physical impact of the bomb detonated last Saturday in Stockholm is best left for forensic specialists to evaluate. For the rest of us, the most important aspect of the event is that it constitutes yet another warning for the unctuously self-righteous, effeminate and oblivious West that Islamist attacks are based on what we do, not who we are and how we think.

Taymour Abdul Wahab, the dead bomber, claimed his attack was motivated by Sweden’s contribution of five hundred troops to the U.S.-led Afghan war, the media’s printing of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad and other Western actions harming Muslims. In other words, he was willing to die because of what he saw as lethal Western attacks on his faith and brethren; the bomber’s e-mail to police told non-Muslim Swedes: “Now your children, daughters and sons will die like our brothers and sisters are dying.” Wahab did not claim that he acted because of his hatred for women in the Swedish workplace, local elections in Stockholm or the existence of democracy in Scandinavia. Since 9/11, hatred for Western actions in the Muslim world invariably has been identified by Islamist attackers in the United States, Australia, Britain, and other European countries as their principle motivation. Now popularly referred to as “home-growns,” the great bulk of the evidence clearly shows these young Muslim males are motivated by the West’s policy toward Muslim peoples and nations.

In reality, the attackers have not been “home-grown” in the sense of being alienated or, to use the current social-(psuedo)science buzzword, “radicalized” by their immediate cultural and political surroundings. Most were educated, well-adjusted and functioning members of the Western state in which they lived. It was Western foreign policy vis-à-vis Muslim lands—what the Stockholm bomber called the “war being waged on Islam”—that nurtured their eagerness to defend Islam and Muslims by waging war at home. It was not the lifestyles of their fellow countrymen.

The endlessly repeated assertions by Western leaders and government-grant-hungry social scientists that the so-called home-grown attackers have been “radicalized” by Islamist scholars and preachers who are not orthodox Muslims, or by some disfigured, hijacked form of Islam, or by hatred for gender equality and liberty are nonsense elevated to common wisdom. They now have us fighting a “criminal” enemy that does not exist, rather than the growing, scripture-based and religiously motivated Islamist enemy that is on offer. We have ignored this reality and are near disaster because we take comfort in the reassuring but utterly false notion that the Islamists are limited in number, un-Islamic and basically criminals. As long as we continue to do so, the number of Muslims in the West—most, like the Stockholm bomber, with college degrees and jobs—willing to pick up arms or bombs will increase, and this proliferation will soon bring the war more fully and bloodily to Europe and the continental United States. And we will have only ourselves to blame. We have been too arrogant to listen to the enemy and understand his motivation; too self-blinded by political correctness to recognize the seriousness, religious legitimacy and breadth of his threat; and too effete to draft and then implement a strategic military-economic-political/diplomatic plan to decisively defeat him.

Finally, for terrorism “experts” who continue to insist that bin Laden and al-Qaeda are no longer influential players in the Islamists’ war, three items are worth noting. First, the Stockholm bomber named his son “Osama.” Second, an al-Qaeda-related website—Shumukh al-Islam—carried a statement by the al-Qaeda-backed Islamic State of Iraq’s War Minister Abu Sulieman al-Nasser identifying Wahab as the bomber, displaying Wahab’s picture, and announcing that the Stockholm attack is “only the beginning of a new era in our jihad . . . we will strike at the heart of Europe.” Third, both of his targets—a country supporting the U.S. in Afghanistan and those blaspheming the Prophet—have long been designated as key targets by Osama bin Laden.

At day’s end, sadly, Western governments are likely to ignore Wahab’s gift of a life ring, and instead will move quickly to waste inordinate amounts of taxpayer money on stoking up the useless de-radicalization programs advocated by social-science charlatans.

[Al Hanif]

This topic and news is irrelevent to Pashtun issues and is actually a potentially bad topic to be talking about in the current climate where freedom of speech is generally becoming more limited.

However, here is an excellent background article on the roots of conflict in France and how the Algerian French Conflict has led to pain and suffering for both the French people and the Algerians. Once again, the elites of both countries are involving their people in conflicts that are resulting in the CIA's exact definition of blowback.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...016144690.html

Al Jazeera is a Zionist-controlled Qatari channel.

I don't know why you came up with this article but what happens in Algeria and what happened in the past has absolutely nothing to do with what this guy did.

Billions of things happened since Algerian independance, a lot of things evolved, not only in the political structures in France, but also in the average muslim living in France's mind.

You are being too theoritical and misses the fact that our mindsets are globalized-orientated. We are French, living in France, who will die in France, not Moroccans or Algerians.

We are a lot more integrated than you Afghan Americans in USA, we are a lot of people and have a very strong presence, we are interconnected with what happens and well aware of all the things occuring in our country (France), even more than the average ethnic French. Yes, there are some restrictions against us but it's precisely because we became a threat because of our numbers. No, it's an error to think that this guy was motivated by french religious restriction laws or the colonial past.

[Al Hanif]

It's not hypocrisy, any innocent people/children killed, be it in Afghanistan, Palestine, France etc... is wrong, no body here will defend such killings, it's common sense, but only a inhumane moron like you will try to justify the killing of a random jewish family who has nothing to do with what is happening in palestine.

Again with the insults ?

I never justified these killings, you should stick to the "whitest kid in town" threads.

Yes it's clear hypocrisy. It's called proportionality, if you want to denounce these killings, spend an equal amount of time for all the other muslim victims or you're just an hypocrite.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Al Jazeera is a Zionist-controlled Qatari channel.

I don't know why you came up with this article but what happens in Algeria and what happened in the past has absolutely nothing to do with what this guy did.

Billions of things happened since Algerian independance, a lot of things evolved, not only in the political structures in France, but also in the average muslim living in France's mind.

You are being too theoritical and misses the fact that our mindsets are globalized-orientated. We are French, living in France, who will die in France, not Moroccans or Algerians.

We are a lot more integrated than you Afghan Americans in USA, we are a lot of people and have a very strong presence, we are interconnected with what happens and well aware of all the things occuring in our country (France), even more than the average ethnic French. Yes, there are some restrictions against us but it's precisely because we became a threat because of our numbers. No, it's an error to think that this guy was motivated by french religious restriction laws or the colonial past.

Sorry for the offense, if taken that way. My goal is to simply understand the roots of these issues, hence my fascination with history and current events. Alongside understanding these issues my hope is for peace in the West and East with mutual understanding. I abhor violence and eschew it in all its forms. However, a part of getting rid of violence is, in my opinion, understanding why people inflict it instead of dismissing people as nihilists. My best to the Afghans, Americans, French, Arabic speaking peoples etc.

Its the same as my discussion about the Afghan Pakistan conflict history. We generally should hear two sides of a story and seek to understand eachother. It was the same way that soldier who used to come here to PF. I wanted to understand his mindset and wanted him to read Scheuer and other works to truly see what the roots of conflict are.

[Catya Sher]

What al-arab said rings very true.

Why are you guys all so sympathetic suddenly about THIS one incident
which of course is magnified in importance
by the French [read: Zionist-controlled or dominated] "media" -
and the US one.

Would a headline in America [I don't know about France, but I assume not]
"Such and such person kills Catholic family"

NEVER

They only USE the Jewish connection to rouse up all the Jews in both countries
into clamping down MORE on Muslims everywhere and perpetuating
wars such as the cruel occupation of Afghanistan.

I didn't read the article detailing this supposed "al Qaida"
but i don't believe it in a milion years.

Every last incident these days is immediately assigned to this convenient
scapegoat.
Has this man confessed this all ?
If so was it under pressure ?

There are too many questions involved to be able to see clearly what is going on here.

But notice that the only attacks which gain mass public attention are those
blamed on this shadowy al-Qaida, about which no one knows anything.
It's a bunch of hype.

So I wonder whether this incident is merely another in this long string of
events aimed at manipulating the public mentality of various countries -
especially those like perhaps France who are dragging their feet
about deploying so much troops at the beck and call of --- well,
we all know who --- for thankless causes which have no relevancy for
their public.

This type of thing is a way to MAKE the military and other involvement
relevant. Otherwise French will say "Why should we do anything? THis is not
OUR war" - and they are right.

About Al-Jazeera, I would never look at a thing on there.
I would not trust it.

Likewise, I feel that French colonial actions of decades and even
a century and a half ago are wildly irrelevant to this current
cameo event meant to galvanize a reluctant European country
into getting more involved. Or to stay the course
of what may be a desire to slither away from cooperating with
the US and Nato [the two are almost synonymous!]

[Karpo]

1) the facts are not established and there have been conflicting reports released at the same time.

2) Even if this is true, all societies are afflicted with murderers of all kinds. Take for instance the White Terrorist/Murderer from last year who went on a shooting spree in
Norway.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/0307/No-prison-Norway-indicts-insane-Breivik-for-terror-murder

bottom line, this is crime. Crime happens in the US where there is drug dealing, where now a White Man murdered a 17-year old black boy in Florida where he is killed simply for being black. A new report says that racial slurs were used against the boy before he was shot in cold blood.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/trayvon-martin-911-tape-racial-slur_n_1368905.html

According to reports by the stooge Afghan parliament and the stooge Army Chief, massacre at Kandahar was carried out by a group of US forces.

This was systematic and is not comparable to this crime in France in any shape or form.

[Al Hanif]

Sorry for the offense, if taken that way. My goal is to simply understand the roots of these issues, hence my fascination with history and current events. Alongside understanding these issues my hope is for peace in the West and East with mutual understanding. I abhor violence and eschew it in all its forms. However, a part of getting rid of violence is, in my opinion, understanding why people inflict it instead of dismissing people as nihilists. My best to the Afghans, Americans, French, Arabic speaking peoples etc.

Its the same as my discussion about the Afghan Pakistan conflict history. We generally should hear two sides of a story and seek to understand eachother. It was the same way that soldier who used to come here to PF. I wanted to understand his mindset and wanted him to read Scheuer and other works to truly see what the roots of conflict are.

Brother Barakzai, I'm not offended at all.

I wrote a comment and it disappeared, I don't know why. I wrote something similar again.

Here is what I said : I think that you have a wrong vision of what's happening. Like Levanaye, you still live with the "country vs. country" vision of the world.

Such a vision is outdated.

You have to understand that this vision is correct on a local level in Russia/China/Iraq/Iran/Pakistan/Afghanistan areas because muslim countries and Russia-China are the only areas which are not dominated yet by the Americano-Zionist Empire. But on a global level there is something way more powerful than these entities. That's the religions. The religions are actually the entities which have always been and still are the most influential in the world today.

Currently there are three religious groups competing in the world :

The Jews (and the Protestants) with their political ideology : Zionism. They both share the Old Testament as a guideline for their theologico-political project.

The Muslims, with their political ideology : Islamism. They are the only resistants to this Empire along with the Socialist states and Russia.

The Secularists, the overwhelming majority of them are just sheeps but you have the Masons in the elite, they are religious people too, with a religious project and their political ideology is secularism, human rights, democracy.


France is ruled by Jews. (Actually ruled by networks). Algeria is full of oil and ruled by Nationalists, it's still not part of the Americano-Zionist Empire but like Libya, it's only a matter of time before it will become a part of their Imperial dominions.


I can't explain everything in details, but to understand what I'm talking about, you should first read about the Banking system since the 1700s, the Masons, their role and influence in the fall of Christianity, who rules the US, what is their project, the roots and causes of Antisemtism in Europe, read Mein Kampf, non-jewish litterature, not the official versions, who is responsible for the Bolshevik revolutions, the French Revolution, the history of the Kings and Queens in Germany, Britain... then you might have a more accurate vision of what's going on.

[roadrunner]

So, you Islamic extremists on here should accept it when westerners or Israelis say we killed then because they killed some non Muslims. I don't think you will. You will continue to ask for more wars ... Until your own countries are targeted.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Wow so Al-Jazeera have been a Zionist media consortium all this time? That's astonishing, I wonder how they got HAMAS Interior Minister Sa'id Siyam to do a 30 minute interview, accompany HAMAS Military Wing members in prisoner exchanges and even get accused by the Israeli Government for having HAMAS Operatives as Editorial and Managerial Chiefs at the network. I man not even networks in America who are overtly Zionist or even in Israel would do such things as work with HAMAS members. But of course that is just the illuminati game of pretending to be your own enemy right? Amazing what excuses we can invent, I mean doesn't matter that Ad-Hominem against a source is a logical fallacy and does not invalidate the truth value of things stated, that can all be ignored, from higher knowledge through the tin foil hat.