Somali PM accuses UN of holding back aid (aljazeera)

[Haris]

I wacthed a documentary on TV around a month ago and they were interviewing Somali tribal elders/warlords.

lol okay. And they said they wanted a secular government? Which documentary is this?

The Somalis may well be religous. However Somalia's Islamic courts system has seemingly all but turned the country into a lawless, dystopian state.

12 million people in the country are suffering from famine in the Horn of Africa and your Somali Islamist cronies are undermining relief efforts.

You do know that Shariah has, since Islam arrived, almost always been in use in Somali society, right?
You do know that the current internationally recognised "government" implements Shariah right?

On what basis do you claim that the people want a secular (whereby Islam is not involved at all in any state affairs) government?

Oh! Is it because "my" (<-- lol) Islamist cronies are undermining relief efforts?

Bro, you can propagate your secularism all you want here but the truth is the people's mindset and traditions won't change simply because you want it to. They have been dying for years at the hands of "your" secularists, at the hands of Islamists, at the hands of foreign troops, at the hands of warlords, as a result of tribal conflicts etc....



You cannot speak for the Somali people.
You want us to think that they want your secularist ideology when that is obviously not the case.
You cannot back up your claim other than assuming because of current 'hardships' which are exasperated by certain groups the Somali people will abandon their long-held traditions that have been ingrained in their beliefs.....as if others have never imposed any 'hardships' on them before.




Well retro, come back to me some solid evidence that the majority of Somalis would like a secular government whereby Islam has no say at all with state matters.
Until then don't make such silly claims.

[retro]

so u have no problem with them dominating muslim xinjiang by force and slaughtering their opposition there?

china can not be challenged because they are a growing power. because they are not stupid enough to live in real world ignorance like some movements...

The Han Chinese are very racist towards foreigners. Turkic people are mixed race and in traditional Chinese culture, such people are viewed as being, less than animals. What is more, Turkic/Hunnic peoples are traditional enemies of the Han (Tang Chinese).

The Uighurs, Tibetans and Mongols are all seeming being subjected to Sinoification and will all be fixed and turned into good little Chinese worker/slaves. Much of Central Asia and the Russian far East could not inconceivable suffer the same fate. As Russia really isn't a counter to China. India is very possible large and powerful enough to hold it's own against China. However India's also basically an overpopulated basketcase and I doubt that it can compete with China industrially.

Now that it is independent, South Sudan has control over three quarters of Sudans oil production and you can sure that South Sudan will no doubt become another servile, Christian African Chinese client.

Hence your Arab overlords grasp is slipping in Africa and now China has North Africa and the Middle East nicely flanked. It's makes sence for Chinese backed, African groups to slowly start infiltrating North Africa and the Middle East.

Do you see why Europe has been meddling around in Libya? Europe was never going to tolerate a Sino-Russian vassal right on it's door.

[unknownprince]

Whether one likes China or not, they are kicking the asssss of the so-called West. They own your economies, whatever pathetic form is left of it.

Shape up, learn, adapt.

Speak facts, not wishes

[unknownprince]

CHING CHANG to rule Europe HHAHAHA

&#x202a;CHINA BUYING UP EUROPE!! NEW SUPERPOWER!&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

[retro]

lol okay. And they said they wanted a secular government? Which documentary is this?

Yes and I was also surprised. I've found the video for you and it's a BBC documentary.

Goto: 23:30 min

Land of Anarchy
BBC - BBC One Programmes - Panorama, Land of Anarchy

See these elders are calling a secular government and they don't want the Somali Islamists faction to take part in the new government!

[retro]

Whether one likes China or not, they are kicking the asssss of the so-called West. They own your economies, whatever pathetic form is left of it.

Shape up, learn, adapt.

Speak facts, not wishes

It's a pity that you don't know what your babbling about isn't it? The US economy is four times larger than China's and Europe's is even larger.

[unknownprince]

well, the Muslims in Somarlia as a whole want Sharia rule, so these few who want secularism are in a minority, and can boot themselves out, and live in Paris.

You show us a few people? Is that all? STATS, numbers, POLLS

[unknownprince]

'West to blame for Africa famine'

http://presstv.com/detail/191277.html

Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:25AM GMT

Tens of thousands of people are dying of starvation in the Horn of Africa due to some Western nations' policy to ignore economic development there, says an analyst.


“Certain ... financial and political establishments in Great Britain, the United States, and elsewhere [made it their policy] not to develop the Horn of Africa economically,” Lawrence Freeman, an editor of Executive Intelligence Review, told Press TV.

“That [policy] says Africans do not have the right to live, and we don't care if they die. And we are going to let them die,” he added.

Freeman elaborated that the British oligarchy believes that there are too many people in the world, so if Africans die, the world population will decrease.

The analyst described the Horn of Africa as an area where economic development can prevent the 'genocide' that is currently taking place there.

He also criticized the international community for their sluggish response to the massive human tragedy unfolding on the drought-stricken African continent.

The UN has called for immediate action to contain the widespread famine in the Horn of Africa, where some 12 million people are in need of emergency aid in the drought-hit region.

The United Nations Food and Agriculture Agency (FAO) says the famine is killing hundreds of people in Africa every day, warning that conditions will worsen in the coming months.

MN/JG/HRF

[retro]

'West to blame for Africa famine'
http://presstv.com/detail/191277.html

Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:25AM GMT

Tens of thousands of people are dying of starvation in the Horn of Africa due to some Western nations' policy to ignore economic development there, says an analyst.


“Certain ... financial and political establishments in Great Britain, the United States, and elsewhere [made it their policy] not to develop the Horn of Africa economically,” Lawrence Freeman, an editor of Executive Intelligence Review, told Press TV.

“That [policy] says Africans do not have the right to live, and we don't care if they die. And we are going to let them die,” he added.

Freeman elaborated that the British oligarchy believes that there are too many people in the world, so if Africans die, the world population will decrease.

The analyst described the Horn of Africa as an area where economic development can prevent the 'genocide' that is currently taking place there.

Are a Larouche cultist and Press TV your idea of credible sources. btw. this clown is right about something Africa's population growth is out of control.

The African all have around half a dozen kids and then sit around wondering why they are all starving.

[retro]

well, the Muslims in Somarlia as a whole want Sharia rule, so these few who want secularism are in a minority, and can boot themselves out, and live in Paris.

You show us a few people? Is that all? STATS, numbers, POLLS

No the militant Muslim group Al Shabab are in only in control of half of Somalia (not the whole country) and they have had Sharia law in the militant parts of the country for years. Somalia is in a state of civil war and is run by warlords. Those guys in that video are Somali regional leaders (war lords) and they are opposing Al Shabab. As they looking to defect towards Somalia's governments forces, which they assume is secular, since it's Western backed.

Did you know that Somalia is black listed along with Afghanistan and Burma (another Opium, narco state), as the worlds most oppressive nations to live in? Positively charming crowd aren't you.

Anyway Al Shabab are preventing the distribution of food in Somalia, as they aren't in a good position militarily and the governments forces have been slowly closing in on them.

The situation in Ethiopia and Kenya is also deteriorating and the entire region is plagued by drought. Ethiopia has far to many people and since that major famine back in the 80's their population as doubled. However they are also one of the most developed and prosperous nations in Africa.

&#x202a;Politics continue to hold up vital food supplies&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

[graveyardofempires]

I disagree, the horn of Africa certainly is of geostrategic value. Maybe the Somali government are in control of parts of the capital. However it's simply not safe to distribute aid or even to move around the country. As Somalia is in a complete state of anarchy.

I know that the Somalis are seemingly favour the creation of a secular government. However I have know idea how this might happen. The AU/UN are completely useless and short of air dropping aid to the worst effected areas. I don't see what can be done. Africa is massive overpopulated and their are over a billion people in Africa. However it's a very arid, content and it simply can't support it's present population.

do you suggest its a good thing these people are starving.
you s09und like one of those people who beieves in population reduction.
who said somalis want seculer governement?the curren government is also not seculer.

[graveyardofempires]

somalis in favor of a secular government? lol i think u may be confusing somalis with ethiopians. if somalia were an important country, there would be international efforts to stabilize it instead of contain it. even its arab neighbors don't care about somalia.

what makes you think that other countries should come and stabilize you?
you have a typical slave mentality longing for the master to fix things up for while it is the master who ****ed it up in the first place.
and who are you to say which country is important or not.

[graveyardofempires]

Are a Larouche cultist and Press TV your idea of credible sources. btw. this clown is right about something Africa's population growth is out of control.

The African all have around half a dozen kids and then sit around wondering why they are all starving.

it seems you are using the situation of somalians to justify your own hatred for muslims and islam and at the same time you support population reduction.

so whatsup

[randolph85]

what makes you think that other countries should come and stabilize you?
you have a typical slave mentality longing for the master to fix things up for while it is the master who ****ed it up in the first place.
and who are you to say which country is important or not.

dude, shutup and think before u post.

OTHER NATIONS TRY TO STABILIZE OTHER TROUBLED COUNTRIES IF THEY CAN GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT. IF THERE IS NOTHING IMPORTANT TO OTHER COUNTRIES, THEN THEY DONT BOTHER.

do u understand now u dumbass?

china is more important than mongolia in world affairs, agree or disagree? if u agree then u are a hypocrite.

[retro]

Somalia has been forced to slaughter or sell it's livestock due to drought.

By ARAB NEWS

Published: Jul 30, 2011 22:52 Updated: Jul 30, 2011 22:52

JEDDAH: A shipment of more than 21,000 livestock and 2,000 camels from Somalia arrived at Jeddah Islamic Port on Saturday.

The shipment is one of many yet to come and is expected to cover the needs of the livestock market for the month of Ramadan.

Suleiman Al-Jabri, head of the livestock committee at the Jeddah Chamber of Commerce and Industry (JCCI), expected livestock prices to decline.

Al-Jabri announced that shipments carrying more than a million livestock would arrive in the next few days at Jeddah port to cover local market needs for the month of Ramadan and until Haj.

"The availability of imported livestock in the market will help reduce prices by 10 percent," he said. He praised the role of the Ministry of Agriculture and Ministry of Commerce in monitoring the local market.

Al-Jabri denied any increase in livestock prices with the start of Ramadan. He said prices were declining in the past few days after permission was granted to import livestock from Somalia.

He added that the livestock committee sent recommendations to the Ministry of Agriculture and Ministry of Commerce on the importance of supporting livestock businessmen and importers as it would help reduce prices.

"There was an agreement to support livestock businessmen in light of the global price increases and because of the declining value of the dollar. This forced many traders to temporarily stop importing from countries like Australia because their prices are not suitable for the local consumer. There was a shortage of livestock in the local market, which forced prices to increase. The price increase drove some traders to import frozen meat, which was also not suitable for consumers," he said.

Arrival of Somali sheep to cut prices - Arab News