Freedom of Belief and Religion according to Islam

[Afghanistan2010]

I will wait for your reply....

[ozymandias]

I will wait for your reply....

HAHAHAHA!

Ok, seriously? He 'disproved' evolution by stating that somehow the proteins of your body are not controlled by DNA -- but then provides no evidence to back up that claim? Proteins are very much controlled by DNA, and the cells that excrete the proteins are the ones that control where the non-growth proteins are arranged.

He jumps from 'DNA only works in cells' to 'here is a protein outside of a cell' to 'evolution disproven', with no discussion of the middle steps, nor citations for the sources of his claim.


NEXT!

[al-arab]

I urge everyone to ignore ozymandias he has clearly lost it and was exposed as an liar and un-Islamic person who try to provoke and divide us Muslims.

Are you that ignorant?

Maybe you should read about the veto power in the United Nations Security Council. Both France and Russia vote veto agains the war which means, according to the rules of the UN that it was an illegal war.

Maybe you should give yourself some time and read this. (there are plenty of references). Maybe your arrogant ignorance will disappear in a second.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

You are again either stupid or ignorant. The secret information Wikileaks acquired was not only from before the war but also before.

You have figured out that the infidels and its coalition lied openly in the UN by providing false information? You do know that the Russian security service dismissed usa's claims of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and links with Al-Qaeda as did the zionist intelligence? And the French and German...

You are a laughing stock.

Now you are lying again. Shall I find the exact thread were you glorifyed american presecence in Iraq? Know don't lie to me again.

"Good thing most Americans don't believe in your god, then. Those that believe in a god believe in a more forgiving one, that is able to understand honest mistakes."

Is that a provocation against Almighty Allah and Islam? If so I think there should be taken action against this ozymandias.

"Sorry you are unable to understand my comments any better than that. We can work on your understanding of the English language when you try and teach me about Islam."

I understand everything you say, it's not that complicated even though you might think that yourself....

English may not be my first language but I wonder how your Arabic and Spanish skills are. Or any other languages that resemble those two (especially those who resemble Arabic and there are quite a lot).

Again a poor attempt of being personal yet again from you.

What are you trying to do? You already has proven your ignorance about Islam. I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you what is requirred to understand Islam correctly and in the right context.

[Afghanistan2010]

HAHAHAHA!

Ok, seriously? He 'disproved' evolution by stating that somehow the proteins of your body are not controlled by DNA -- but then provides no evidence to back up that claim? Proteins are very much controlled by DNA, and the cells that excrete the proteins are the ones that control where the non-growth proteins are arranged.

He jumps from 'DNA only works in cells' to 'here is a protein outside of a cell' to 'evolution disproven', with no discussion of the middle steps, nor citations for the sources of his claim.


NEXT!

Oh you seems to be winner ? are you serious...

you should have taken up a look on Sciencemag.org, which i gíve more credibility than such fake scientists trolling around.

what they say about the cell and what you just dropped (crap) here.

Regarding the sh** you produced

John Travis said :

Somehow, a cell must get all its proteins to their correct destinations-and keep these molecules out of the wrong places. The mystery of how cells place their protein repertoire is far from solved.

Discussed in this issue :

Mysteries of the Cell

http://www.sciencemag.org/site/special/cellbio2011/

au revoire Mon Chéri

[Alchemist]

HAHAHAHA!

Ok, seriously? He 'disproved' evolution by stating that somehow the proteins of your body are not controlled by DNA -- but then provides no evidence to back up that claim? Proteins are very much controlled by DNA, and the cells that excrete the proteins are the ones that control where the non-growth proteins are arranged.

He jumps from 'DNA only works in cells' to 'here is a protein outside of a cell' to 'evolution disproven', with no discussion of the middle steps, nor citations for the sources of his claim.


NEXT!

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The argument in the video is that genes code for a variety of type of proteins. Some of the functions of the proteins is to regulate the function of other proteins, for example chaperones, which fold protein. One gene cannot know the function of another gene, so how would the gene code for a protein that regulates for the function of multiple genes...especially when the function of those regulated proteins could not be known without their assembly. The only this would happen is if they are produced concurrently...and the chances of that happening are too low to be probable.

Get it?

[ozymandias]

I urge everyone to ignore ozymandias he has clearly lost it and was exposed as an liar and un-Islamic person who try to provoke and divide us Muslims.

When did I lie -- and when did I ever profess to be anything other than an Atheist?

Are you that ignorant?

Maybe you should read about the veto power in the United Nations Security Council. Both France and Russia vote veto agains the war which means, according to the rules of the UN that it was an illegal war.

Citation needed. Find a link that says that -- and not one about the opinion of a retired member of the UN.

Maybe you should give yourself some time and read this. (there are plenty of references). Maybe your arrogant ignorance will disappear in a second.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

You are again either stupid or ignorant. The secret information Wikileaks acquired was not only from before the war but also before.

But it was not released *until after the war started*. You cannot hold the US public accountable for information they did not have at the start of the war.

You have figured out that the infidels and its coalition lied openly in the UN by providing false information? You do know that the Russian security service dismissed usa's claims of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and links with Al-Qaeda as did the zionist intelligence? And the French and German...

You are a laughing stock.

Now you are lying again. Shall I find the exact thread were you glorifyed american presecence in Iraq? Know don't lie to me again.

Go for it. Let's see the context.

"Good thing most Americans don't believe in your god, then. Those that believe in a god believe in a more forgiving one, that is able to understand honest mistakes."

Is that a provocation against Almighty Allah and Islam? If so I think there should be taken action against this ozymandias.

Take action if you feel it needs to be taken. You threatening me with actions of your god are no more threatening to me than a hippy threatening to punch me in my aura. If I don't believe in your god, threats of punishment from your god are not threatening at all.

"Sorry you are unable to understand my comments any better than that. We can work on your understanding of the English language when you try and teach me about Islam."

I understand everything you say, it's not that complicated even though you might think that yourself....

English may not be my first language but I wonder how your Arabic and Spanish skills are. Or any other languages that resemble those two (especially those who resemble Arabic and there are quite a lot).

My foreign language skills are admittedly poor, and are rusty these days. I would never try to tell a native speaker their language skills are poor if I can't understand what they say.

Again a poor attempt of being personal yet again from you.

What are you trying to do? You already has proven your ignorance about Islam. I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you what is requirred to understand Islam correctly and in the right context.

Interesting. This seems to be a common thread. Anything that is questionable about Islam results in this comment to a non-believer. Almost like you don't know enough to explain it.

[ozymandias]

Oh you seems to be winner ? are you serious...

you should have taken up a look on Sciencemag.org, which i gíve more credibility than such fake scientists trolling around.

what they say about the cell and what you just dropped (crap) here.

Regarding the sh** you produced

John Travis said :


Discussed in this issue :

Mysteries of the Cell

http://www.sciencemag.org/site/special/cellbio2011/

au revoire Mon Chéri

Exactly. It is far from solved, so to claim it could only happen by DNA is false, and proves his whole argument is based on false premises.

[graveyardofempires]

ozymendis now you are just being anti intelligence.

[ozymandias]

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The argument in the video is that genes code for a variety of type of proteins. Some of the functions of the proteins is to regulate the function of other proteins, for example chaperones, which fold protein. One gene cannot know the function of another gene, so how would the gene code for a protein that regulates for the function of multiple genes...especially when the function of those regulated proteins could not be known without their assembly. The only this would happen is if they are produced concurrently...and the chances of that happening are too low to be probable.

Get it?

Evolution is not the same as 'chance', get it? Genes don't need to 'know' anything about other genes, get it? You clearly are rejecting evolution based on your not understanding evolution here. You act like 'chance', and 'genes knowing about other genes' is even part of evolution, and that's not even remotely true.

[Alchemist]

Evolution is not the same as 'chance', get it?

The major component of Evolution is descent with modification and the process for descent with modification is "random mutation" and "Natural Selection". Which means that it is guided by "unintelligence", hence it is called random, 'chance' mutation.

If you didn't know this then it is you who is the most ignorant of what evolution is.

In order for this theory to be scientific you have to present the evidence that that historic mutation and selection events were unguided by intelligence. This would make the assertion that all mutations and selection mechanisms used by evolution to produce what exists falsifiable. But no such evidence exists or ever will.

Genes don't need to 'know' anything about other genes, get it? You clearly are rejecting evolution based on your not understanding evolution here. You act like 'chance', and 'genes knowing about other genes' is even part of evolution, and that's not even remotely true.[

No, you are rejecting my argument based on your misunderstanding which is likely due to your own ignorance of biological concepts beyound grade 10 of highschool.

Different genes code for proteins that are a part of one complex mechanism, if one gene is missing then their cellular function would cease.
So when you say "genes don't know anything about other genes", you are speaking out of ignornace of the complexity of these mechanisms. For example, a protein called secb acts as a chaperone for specific proteins, without which the pathway would cease to function. So here we have one gene producing a protein, the function of which is depandent on the production of another protein. The secb is so specific to the protein that if you induce a mutation to one of it's genes, then it wouldn't function. These are highly specified proteins that are created for other proteins..therefore, these proteins could not have developed indepandently!

Get it?

Or should I draw you pictures?

[Afghanistan2010]

[QUOTE=ozymandias;552756]USA war in Iraq legal QUOTE]


You are the most stupid person i ever met,you are truely brainwashed by the american mass propaganda....

sadly you did not went to iraq otherwise luckly you would have ended like the Islamic army in iraq did to the pilot that survived the downing of his helicopter....

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/077378.php ( anti muslim page)

The Iraq was well known to the american terrorists,they invaded it to get its oil and butcher its people,no weapons of mass destruction no atom bomb,no al qaeda.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad2561232

[ozymandias]

The major component of Evolution is descent with modification and the process for descent with modification is "random mutation" and "Natural Selection". Which means that it is guided by "unintelligence", hence it is called random, 'chance' mutation.

Once again your ignorance is showing. The DNA mutations are random, but the natural selection is not. Saying evolution is merely chance ignores the selection portion. Me rolling 1 through 6 sequentially with a die would be a matter of chance. Me rolling 1 through 6 sequentially, with me rejecting any roll that does not fit is not chance. See the difference?

If you didn't know this then it is you who is the most ignorant of what evolution is.

In order for this theory to be scientific you have to present the evidence that that historic mutation and selection events were unguided by intelligence.

Done.

This would make the assertion that all mutations and selection mechanisms used by evolution to produce what exists falsifiable. But no such evidence exists or ever will.

Only because you decided to ignore it.

No, you are rejecting my argument based on your misunderstanding which is likely due to your own ignorance of biological concepts beyound grade 10 of highschool.

Interesting claim. If my knowledge of biology is only grade 10, what does that make yours considering I am consistently correcting you?

Different genes code for proteins that are a part of one complex mechanism, if one gene is missing then their cellular function would cease.
So when you say "genes don't know anything about other genes", you are speaking out of ignornace of the complexity of these mechanisms. For example, a protein called secb acts as a chaperone for specific proteins, without which the pathway would cease to function. So here we have one gene producing a protein, the function of which is depandent on the production of another protein. The secb is so specific to the protein that if you induce a mutation to one of it's genes, then it wouldn't function.

Where are the neurons? Where is this 'knowledge' stored? Aside from your abuse of the language, you now need to show that secb's evolutionary predecessors have no function. It's interesting to note that no reputable modern biologist believes in irreducible complexity. Behe has been completely refuted many times over.

Could you please cite some reputable sources on your claims of secb? A google search resulted in nothing.

These are highly specified proteins that are created for other proteins..therefore, these proteins could not have developed indepandently!

False logic. You have not shown anything other than they compliment each other in their current forms.

Get it?

Or should I draw you pictures?

You are welcome to break out the finger paints if it makes you feel better.

[ozymandias]

[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;553238]

USA war in Iraq legal QUOTE]


You are the most stupid person i ever met,you are truely brainwashed by the american mass propaganda....

sadly you did not went to iraq otherwise luckly you would have ended like the Islamic army in iraq did to the pilot that survived the downing of his helicopter....

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/077378.php ( anti muslim page)

The Iraq was well known to the american terrorists,they invaded it to get its oil and butcher its people,no weapons of mass destruction no atom bomb,no al qaeda.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad2561232

Could you please try and re-state that? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Afghanistan2010]

Could you please try and re-state that? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

American terrorists has illegally invaded iraq and killed over a half million people and should be taken responsible....iraqis have the right to take revenge.

i wished american could stay longer and die more of them in iraq for their crimes.


and to the last , i enjoyed watching this ....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad2561232

[ozymandias]

American terrorists has illegally invaded iraq and killed over a half million people and should be taken responsible....iraqis have the right to take revenge.

i wished american could stay longer and die more of them in iraq for their crimes.


and to the last , i enjoyed watching this ....

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad2561232

I think I understand now. Thanks.