Freedom of Belief and Religion according to Islam

[ozymandias]

English, fornicator of matriarchs, are you fluent in it ?

freedom of religion for the non-believers

no freedom of religion for the muslims

I think I can't be clearer.

Perhaps I should try again: That's not freedom of religion then.

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Former muslims will be granted the right to exile from muslim territory in times of peace.
The right to be beheaded in public places in times of war.

Perhaps I should try again: That's not freedom of religion then.

Someone who accepts Richard as his Lord and Saviour.

Ah, then that's not me. I have no lord, nor a savior. I have no need, for I am an atheist, and am free of such silly things.

[ozymandias]

There is no need to study other religions because the only truth and right path in the earthly life is Islam.

How can you say that if you have never even looked at other religions? If you don't know anything about them, how can you know they are false?

Apart from that I have enough knowledge about Christianity and Judaism to know how they treated non-Christians and still do in some European countries.

So we should judge all Islam by how a few countries treat people?

Moreover my knowledge about Christianity/Judaism probably extends ozymandias knowledge.

I doubt that. You don't appear to be exactly knowledgeable of these topics, and take pride in your ignorance.

[graveyardofempires]

How can you say that if you have never even looked at other religions? If you don't know anything about them, how can you know they are false?



So we should judge all Islam by how a few countries treat people?



I doubt that. You don't appear to be exactly knowledgeable of these topics, and take pride in your ignorance.

ozy jan

i think you are wasting your time if you think you can deislamise us muslims.

your problem is you think you know while the fact is that you know nothing about religion,Islam,christinity,Judiasm,and i bet you dotn even know who nazis were.

[ozymandias]

ozy jan

i think you are wasting your time if you think you can deislamise us muslims.

I don't think I can do that, nor am I trying to. I am just following up on an ignorant comment he made that he knows all other religions are wrong, while taking pride in knowing nothing about them.

your problem is you think you know while the fact is that you know nothing about religion,Islam,christinity,Judiasm,and i bet you dotn even know who nazis were.

I'm not sure why you get that impression. I know quite a lot about Christianity, Judiasm, and German history (including the Nazis -- who *doesn't* know about them?). I am fairly well educated about religion in general, and I have made it no secret that I am posting here to talk with actual Muslims, so I can get a better feel for that religion, and not just how the western media chooses to portray it, and the dry academic papers on the topic.

If I don't know something, I try not to make assumptions about it, but learn about it and come to informed conclusions.

[graveyardofempires]

I don't think I can do that, nor am I trying to. I am just following up on an ignorant comment he made that he knows all other religions are wrong, while taking pride in knowing nothing about them.

Well it is not necessary to know them all,we can put them some in list of ahlel kitab(people of the book ,judiasm and christianity ,offcourse the real ones) and idolators(christians are sometimes also idolators especially catholics.

so it is not necessary for us to waste out time on something alreadhy refuted hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

I'm not sure why you get that impression. I know quite a lot about Christianity, Judiasm, and German history (including the Nazis -- who *doesn't* know about them?). I am fairly well educated about religion in general, and I have made it no secret that I am posting here to talk with actual Muslims, so I can get a better feel for that religion, and not just how the western media chooses to portray it, and the dry academic papers on the topic.

dear ozy
when you say you know quite alot,thats when you make a mistake.
nobody knows quite enough let alone quite alot.

what do you know about judiasm?why is it called judiasm?
is it the original religion of moses(pbuh)?

who was jesus/Esa of nazareth? did they kill him?
you say who doesnt know about Nazis,ok lets get to that.

were the nazis racists or were they anti imerialsm?
how many people did they kill?

you say you wanna get a better picture yet you dont want to listen and cling to your own picture amde by the media or by yourself or someone else.

If I don't know something, I try not to make assumptions about it, but learn about it and come to informed conclusions.

im not claiming to be knowing it all but im sure informed on subjects.

[al-arab]

Haha you are not very clever Ozymandis not that is surpirse me since you are american.

You obviously do not know what I know about other religions but since I can see with my own eyes that you do know nothing about Islam and is a atheist I can see where this is going.

Please challenge me on everything concerning the Christian faith (Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant not all the other sects in usa) or Judaism.

Islam is the last and fully truth revelation of Allah Almighty's word. That including it teachings make it the only righteous religion.

[ozymandias]

im not claiming to be knowing it all but im sure informed on subjects.

Then we are on the same page -- al arab was acting proud of the fact that he is not even informed of non-islamic religions, but rejected them anyway. All I am saying is that you should be informed about something before accepting or rejecting it.

[ozymandias]

Haha you are not very clever Ozymandis not that is surpirse me since you are american.

You obviously do not know what I know about other religions but since I can see with my own eyes that you do know nothing about Islam and is a atheist I can see where this is going.

You stated "There is no need to study other religions because the only truth and right path in the earthly life is Islam." This implies that you have a very basic, or non-existent knowledge of the topic. All I know about your knowledge is what you have stated.

Please challenge me on everything concerning the Christian faith (Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant not all the other sects in usa) or Judaism.

I see no need to challenge you on anything, since you already admitted to not knowing much about these topics. If you would like to retract your earlier statement, that is fine.

Islam is the last and fully truth revelation of Allah Almighty's word. That including it teachings make it the only righteous religion.

*sigh* Every religion since the dawn of time has claimed that.

[graveyardofempires]

Then we are on the same page -- al arab was acting proud of the fact that he is not even informed of non-islamic religions, but rejected them anyway. All I am saying is that you should be informed about something before accepting or rejecting it.

me by saying informed means more than majority christians.
for example i think that christians (cant say about all of them)are actually following paganism which was pushed on them after the departure(to heaven)of Jesus son(pbuh) of Mary(pbuh).

if you want to know about christianity and Islam you must listen to Dr Zakir Naik ,Yusef Estes.

they are all over youtube.

i would also listen to why athesist are convertign to islam,or the same for christians and jews.

[al-arab]

When I say there is no need to study Christianity nor Judaism that does not mean I have not done it myself just that the one and final truth is Islam.

So do you expect me to say otherwise when I am Muslim?

I suspect you of provoking me again by talking bad about Islam just like your glorified your criminal soldiers in Iraq.

[graveyardofempires]

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he glorified the invaders fo Iraq?

ozy

it seems you arent informed about that subject/

[ozymandias]

me by saying informed means more than majority christians.
for example i think that christians (cant say about all of them)are actually following paganism which was pushed on them after the departure(to heaven)of Jesus son(pbuh) of Mary(pbuh).

I agree that the Abrahamic religions have borrowed a lot from paganism, and co-opted most of the holidays.

if you want to know about christianity and Islam you must listen to Dr Zakir Naik ,Yusef Estes.

I'm amazed that people still recommend Naik. He is an ignorant fool, and consistently is wrong, and illogical. Watch a video about him on evolution sometime -- his only argument against evolution is he doesn't speak English very well.

they are all over youtube.

i would also listen to why athesist are convertign to islam,or the same for christians and jews.

Well, we all know why they are not converting *away*, since this *is* a thread on the lack of freedom of religion for Muslims. That said, I have seen the reasons many gave for converting, and most of them never really understood their original faith, anyway.

[ozymandias]

When I say there is no need to study Christianity nor Judaism that does not mean I have not done it myself just that the one and final truth is Islam.

I'm sorry your comment was misinterpreted.

So do you expect me to say otherwise when I am Muslim?

Actually, yes. Any intelligent person would not simply dismiss the other topics and say 'they don't matter', but would rather explain *why* they don't matter.

I suspect you of provoking me again by talking bad about Islam just like your glorified your criminal soldiers in Iraq.

I did no such thing. I have never, and will never glorify criminals, unless they are fighting unjust laws that violate the basic rights of man.

[ozymandias]

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he glorified the invaders fo Iraq?

ozy

it seems you arent informed about that subject/

It's amazing how fast you accept lies and slander as truth. I have never glorified the 'invaders of iraq'. I think al arab is once again making an uniformed statement without first understanding the topic he is discussing.

[al-arab]

I remember clearly that you said that your soldiers where doing good things in Iraq and that they were implementing so called democracy with success. You know this is provocation and not truth. The current Iraqi government is the most corrupt in the world and the Iraqi people want Islam not man-made laws. We are very religious people.

I remember clearly that you supported the war in Iraq. That is for me the same as supporting the thousands of war crimes commited in Iraq by your soldiers.

Do you really wish for me to say why judaism and christiniaty is wrong? Maybe you should learn the history about the bible and by whom it was written. It has been written by several persons over long period of time. Judaism the same.

There are many opposites in christianity (Old and new testament) and the Torah. You can not find such thing in the Holy Quran.