Secular Leaders and Their Sex Scandals

[graveyardofempires]

Why do you generalize ??? How many Arabs or Muslims have you seen ? And I mean face to face not through youtube or online .

bro dont worry about it.
these types of people dont represent pashtuns,we love our fellow muslim brethern.

these guys are making things up to justify their hatred and because they are desperate cuz pashtuns wont take them serious.

[faye]

so is faye gonna marry a gang of bikers?

i divorced that lot, ages ago. no, i am going to marry you and unknown and emkhan. you lucky little devils, you

[graveyardofempires]

i divorced that lot, ages ago. no, i am going to marry you and unknown and emkhan. you lucky little devils, you

hell no
we think of you as a friendly aunt who bakes cookies.

[faye]

hyuck, hyuck hyuck....yeah, yeah, that's me. another ganja cookie, rasta? just one more, lol, it won't hurt.

[graveyardofempires]

^
i wan no ganja cookie
me wanna bomba glock ya no.

[faye]

stop being pretentious. i know you are clacking around in clogs, eating tulip salads, lol.

[graveyardofempires]

^
i dooo

[Soldat_Amir]

Thank you for NOT posting a Youtube video to make a point.

The power that men wish to exert over women has not changed since the time of the cavemen and education and social mores only go some way towards controlling 'nature'. Male conquest is not something that is unique to our species either.

That said, we have our Quranic guidance. Different Islamic societies approach Islamic teachings differently. It is not all it seems and even the examples from Turkish, Mughal and Arab history of harems and seraglios is both bitter and sweet. Sure there are exceptions, but with all the other things that we are accused of, most Pashtun men secular or spiritual actually can only 'afford' to marry one woman. It's about as regular as you can get, in my opinion.

Tor Khan roara

How can one logically accuse a whole ideology of being Sexual fanatics over the actions of a few under a secular state, its like me saying hey every Muslim leader has a homosexual son(Saudi nephew arrested in Uk for killing his boyfriend).

Generalisation sucks man!

[emkhan]

Dear brother Emkhan - you answered Yourself on the question I would ask You- the societies You mentioned aren'T Advanced and Educated, but You are right, they are commercial.
I do not have a good view on Pashtun society, from Your description it is quiet similar how society was here, and somewhere still is.
We have also the european system now.
Both I do not consider as good brother(I talk about my country - so do not feel Yourself in any way attacked) - many of our women lived a life that was very bad, as they were/are not free to decide whom to mary while their husbands were/are chosen on qualities of economic stats in the society.
Many things are done hidden and are seen as normal among the male society so everything turned into a kind of "liar society".
On the other hand the new generation of the city is perhaps worse than in Europe - where woman are free to do what they "want", but their education doesn't make them free, they are slaves of a material education where women are a kind of product of lust, so our girls are now so easy to cheat and to use.
Both statuses are bad - a girl should have the right education - to become a woman , to become a mother, to develop feminine qualities, tecnical knowledge isn't education its only tecnical knowledge - so that a completely other way is needed.
Also the mixed school is a big problem for men and women.
Men should also be educated differently, it is wrong to see that only women have educational problems in my eyes, men became perhaps even worse, they destroyed our women.
Having more freedom they became slaves of(excuse me much to state that) sex.
They think a man shows being man secretly cheating women - but if you meet him as father who gives his daughter in marriage he wil tell you the most moral words and so on.

That is also lach of any education.

To say from my view, the man generaly in a family was a spiritual leader while the woman a metrial leader.
Mens nature is generaly more of a thinker and spirital person, womans nature is more material(care for the family) and of a person giving love trough feelings.
One without the other do not exist well - and the changing of these roles is a ruin of society.
But that has not to do with tecnical knowledge acquisting - in the west for example there is no education for girls and boys specifically - they are only learned tecnically - that is why I would see the problem you describe more result of a lack of education, than the existance of education.

If you disagree with me - please write me more on your point of view.
It is a very important theme for me personally, so I am very glad to see others opinions.

Brother, I don't take your words as any attack. I respect your words. There are some other guys who always have devil in their mind.
I agree with you in some points. People now a days look for the the solution of their problems in education which is totally wrong. Education will can't do anything unless you have a complete system otherwise it will go even against you.
Brother I don't have problem with education for girls if it is Islamic and contemporary both protected by an Islamic system as a whole.
Only contemporary education pushes you only to a world of materialism which has no end. This is a world of unending wishes and demands where one forget about his own purpose of life, values, ethics.
Only modern education has done nothing but destruction to nature, to humanity, to values, to ethics, it has only created terrorists, it has created weapon of mass destruction, it has created modern ways of doing corruption. Now a days people don't education to become a good person but his first main aim is to how to cheat the other person and get some benefit, how do dodge the system to get some benefit.
This could be long argument but at the end I would just say again that we need an Islamic and contemporary education both at the same time.

[faye]

very nicely said emkhan, but modern education also has given benefits of fairness to many also. in some countries, for example, mentally ill people are chained to trees or treated as possessed. women have more rights now, and not every woman makes the negative decisions that you tend to project upon them. for (basically) 50% of the worlds population, to have equal rights, is their right.

[emkhan]

Faye, the rights that you are boasting about I know better than anybody else...
I have observed very closely the lives of these westerners where they have given more and more rights to women. Now they have reached to a point where men have less rights than women, now men are becoming innocent. I see on daily basis here in the west that men follows his wife like a cat follows her master.
I don't want to go into the details but the fact is, here in such free societies the life is so disturbed because of the high rate of divorce, family disputes, women going with men shoulder to shoulder in many cases ahead of them. When you apportion a right duty to the wrong person then the whole life gets disturbed. Men have their own duties to do and women have their own. But this can be understood by those who are not affected with the devil of materialism and secularism where there are no values but only lust and freedom without limits.

[faye]

well i have had a little experience myself of these rights of women, dear. like 63 years of it. i will stand up for it till i die.
i agree that we still have a long way to go to progress to a fairer and more balanced way of being. for you it is with the combination of the muslim religion and for muslims, i don't dispute that but what some people don't seem to recognise here, is that, people who have had such freedoms and don't follow a particular relgion, can still be possesed with morals and heart.

[Zmarak]

in some countries, for example, mentally ill people are chained to trees or treated as possessed.

Yes I'm familiar with a village where such people are chained to trees. But by stating ONLY this, you limit the readers knowledge of what is actually occurring there. The village is Diwan Sahib and the people who are taken there are people who have been treated by various doctors for their conditions and in spite of this, continue to suffer from whatever condition it may be. Some of these people may have genuine mental defects and others may be possessed. Either way, those who have no other options available are brought to this place, usually by family members and chained to a tree, given adequate bedding, food and are visited frequently. They are provided with all things necessary for life. The hope is that the spirit of local saint Haji Sher will come and heal them of whatever may be wrong with them. It is my understanding that most of these people have tried many doctors with no success. It is also my understanding that there has been great success with many of the people who are sent there for this experience. I can't explain it.

[emkhan]

Those who don't believe in religion feel shame talking about morals and ethics so no chance of expecting morals and ethics and modesty from the materialists and atheists.
They have lost their soul

[faye]

personally zmarak, i don't believe in evil spirits and possession and a lot of the cases are not treated by medication, that i have read about, re india.
stop with the ridiculous generalisations emkhan. your experience in life is obviously limited and your mind is only turned to the negativity channel.
i know thousands upon thousands, throughout my life, who are not religious but who are of good character and want to see peace on the planet and all people treated fairly.