Secular Leaders and Their Sex Scandals

[R3SISTANC3]

Anthony Weiner, Bill Clinton, Silvio Berlusconi, Herman Cain, Moshe Katsav, Eliot Spitzer, John Edwards.....the list is just too long to mention every Western secular President, Governor, Mayor ever accused of cheating on their wives with other women, men, or minors.

What could be the root cause of it all? Can we blame democracy, secularism, modernity, their skin color, or the language they speak..for their shenanigans? What sort of society, mentality, thinking, encourages this? If Islam can be blamed, held responsible, for everything that a Muslim does, then why not return the favor.

[Tjanaparh]

I would blame education , that is missing, that doesn't educate men as real men and women as real women.

[JAMALUDEEN]

resistance, the title of the thread is very offensive...its going to be changed

[emkhan]

The main reason for this is the freedom of women with no limits and empower her to the extent. The more you give women freedom the more she lose dignity and respect.
This is natural. The more you free her and empower her the more she misuse it and is misused by men. she thinks she has got something but actually it is other way round.
Arevapasht, education will not work. We have seen, women is being exploited the most in the educated and advanced societies. In those societies woman has become a commercial and marketing tool for the companies.
Only following the God's word will protect men and women for such shar.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Anthony Weiner, Bill Clinton, Silvio Berlusconi, Herman Cain, Moshe Katsav, Eliot Spitzer, John Edwards

Bill Clinton - Christian
Silvio Berlusconi - Catholic
John Edwards - Christian
Herman Cain - Christian
(don't know about the other guys)



This is, by the way, a poem written by the Amir-ul-Momineen of the Ummah for a Russian slave-girl:

"Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight.
My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love.
The most beautiful among the beautiful...
My springtime, my merry faced love, my daytime, my sweetheart, laughing leaf...
My plants, my sweet, my rose, the one only who does not distress me in this world...
My Constantinople, my Caraman, the earth of my Anatolia
My Badakhshan, my Baghdad and Khorasan
My woman of the beautiful hair, my love of the slanted brow, my love of eyes full of mischief...
I'll sing your praises always
I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy."


The shadow of God on earth was so infatuated with her, he even named her inept son as his successor instead of more able candidates.

The other shadows of God on earth, the Mughals, need not be mentioned here as their scandals are too pornographic for our sensitive members.

But what's the deal with Islamic kings and fratricide? Why were the Ottomans and Mughals so hell-bent on killing all their brothers?

Edit: The point of my post is to ridicule the premise of this thread and its childish attempt to connect a political philosophy to individual failings that are, incidentally, common amongst people of all political philosophies.

[unknownprince]

LZ

A poem is all you got, it's a poem. Nothing outlandish. Now instead of derailing this thread why don't you either post your own thread about this poem or discuss the topic of secularism here.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

LZ

A poem is all you got, it's a poem. Nothing outlandish. Now instead of derailing this thread why don't you either post your own thread or discuss the topic of secularism here

Just a poem? It was a scandal. What about fratricide? Would it be fair to associate Islam with fratricide because many Muslims kings were fratricidal?

The point of my post was to ridicule the premise of this thread and its childish attempt to connect a political philosophy to individual failings that are, incidentally, common amongst people of all political philosophies.

[unknownprince]

Oh so now all political philosophies have flaws

Ok

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Oh so now all political philosophies have flaws

Ok

That's subjective and I didn't suggest that.

But all individuals have flaws and weaknesses, no matter what religion or philosophy they subscribe to... That's what I'm saying.

[Tjanaparh]

The main reason for this is the freedom of women with no limits and empower her to the extent. The more you give women freedom the more she lose dignity and respect.
This is natural. The more you free her and empower her the more she misuse it and is misused by men. she thinks she has got something but actually it is other way round.
Arevapasht, education will not work. We have seen, women is being exploited the most in the educated and advanced societies. In those societies woman has become a commercial and marketing tool for the companies.
Only following the God's word will protect men and women for such shar.

Dear brother Emkhan - you answered Yourself on the question I would ask You- the societies You mentioned aren'T Advanced and Educated, but You are right, they are commercial.
I do not have a good view on Pashtun society, from Your description it is quiet similar how society was here, and somewhere still is.
We have also the european system now.
Both I do not consider as good brother(I talk about my country - so do not feel Yourself in any way attacked) - many of our women lived a life that was very bad, as they were/are not free to decide whom to mary while their husbands were/are chosen on qualities of economic stats in the society.
Many things are done hidden and are seen as normal among the male society so everything turned into a kind of "liar society".
On the other hand the new generation of the city is perhaps worse than in Europe - where woman are free to do what they "want", but their education doesn't make them free, they are slaves of a material education where women are a kind of product of lust, so our girls are now so easy to cheat and to use.
Both statuses are bad - a girl should have the right education - to become a woman , to become a mother, to develop feminine qualities, tecnical knowledge isn't education its only tecnical knowledge - so that a completely other way is needed.
Also the mixed school is a big problem for men and women.
Men should also be educated differently, it is wrong to see that only women have educational problems in my eyes, men became perhaps even worse, they destroyed our women.
Having more freedom they became slaves of(excuse me much to state that) sex.
They think a man shows being man secretly cheating women - but if you meet him as father who gives his daughter in marriage he wil tell you the most moral words and so on.

That is also lach of any education.

To say from my view, the man generaly in a family was a spiritual leader while the woman a metrial leader.
Mens nature is generaly more of a thinker and spirital person, womans nature is more material(care for the family) and of a person giving love trough feelings.
One without the other do not exist well - and the changing of these roles is a ruin of society.
But that has not to do with tecnical knowledge acquisting - in the west for example there is no education for girls and boys specifically - they are only learned tecnically - that is why I would see the problem you describe more result of a lack of education, than the existance of education.

If you disagree with me - please write me more on your point of view.
It is a very important theme for me personally, so I am very glad to see others opinions.

[Tjanaparh]

LZ

A poem is all you got, it's a poem. Nothing outlandish. Now instead of derailing this thread why don't you either post your own thread about this poem or discuss the topic of secularism here.

Dear Unknownprince, we still do not know much eachother, do not get angry of this posting, but isn't it better to unite all in one theme, as it is all arround one theme, so all different views can be considered and their problems discussed?
It is a mostly serious theme I think.

[R3SISTANC3]

Bill Clinton - Christian
Silvio Berlusconi - Catholic
John Edwards - Christian
Herman Cain - Christian
(don't know about the other guys)

And your point is? These people didn't run for offices at the Vatican, but in secular nations for secular offices. Even if they are true adherents of their stated faiths, the people of those faiths are no different in their hypocrisy, as atheists are, when maligning Islam for the shortcomings of Muslims.

Edit: The point of my post is to ridicule the premise of this thread and its childish attempt to connect a political philosophy to individual failings that are, incidentally, common amongst people of all political philosophies.

Yet you failed to realize the point behind this thread.

Why are the failings of Muslim individuals always connected to their faith, or their Prophet SAW? You acknowledge the human condition and it's flaws when it comes to ideologies you personally subscribe to but fail to do so in respect to Muslims or Islam. I'm not saying you personally have done so, but that was the premise of this thread and you took offense to it.

[R3SISTANC3]

I would blame education , that is missing, that doesn't educate men as real men and women as real women.

Education? These people are very highly educated. They have to be in order to qualify for these positions.

[Tjanaparh]

Education? These people are very highly educated. They have to be in order to qualify for these positions.

I wouldn't call such peolpe even a bit educated, even if they know the whole geography, technology....
Learning to use a knife without learning what for to use it - what kind of education is that?
these are ignorant people with a sick ego

[graveyardofempires]

I wouldn't call such peolpe even a bit educated, even if they know the whole geography, technology....
Learning to use a knife without learning what for to use it - what kind of education is that?
these are ignorant people with a sick ego

ignorance is not a crime

but this is a crime.

so calling them ignorant is the least you can do,we should call them sickos.