Secular Leaders and Their Sex Scandals

[Soldat_Amir]

This is too easy man. I have been forced to give a comment to this thread.

All one needs to do is google Harems, sex slaves, kuwaiti cleric, Indonesian maid, Saudi Arabia and we will soon come to the conclusion about how randy some leaders truely are.

Deera Manan

I could post a video here but the babies will start to cry.

[emkhan]

Its not about who does what. We are not talking about individual, we are talking about the secular lot who support such things and striving hard to defend it and spread it and legalise it. This is ironic.

[tor_khan]

This is too easy man. I have been forced to give a comment to this thread.

All one needs to do is google Harems, sex slaves, kuwaiti cleric, Indonesian maid, Saudi Arabia and we will soon come to the conclusion about how randy some leaders truely are.

Deera Manan

I could post a video here but the babies will start to cry.

Thank you for NOT posting a Youtube video to make a point.

The power that men wish to exert over women has not changed since the time of the cavemen and education and social mores only go some way towards controlling 'nature'. Male conquest is not something that is unique to our species either.

That said, we have our Quranic guidance. Different Islamic societies approach Islamic teachings differently. It is not all it seems and even the examples from Turkish, Mughal and Arab history of harems and seraglios is both bitter and sweet. Sure there are exceptions, but with all the other things that we are accused of, most Pashtun men secular or spiritual actually can only 'afford' to marry one woman. It's about as regular as you can get, in my opinion.

[Tjanaparh]

ignorance is not a crime

but this is a crime.

so calling them ignorant is the least you can do,we should call them sickos.

Ignorance is a secure guide to different types of crimes.

[Badlun]

The sex greed that I have seen in Arab and other Muslims, their sex slave girls, their harems, their multiple wives I have not seen any where else. Sodomy is very common in religious institutions.

The only difference is that in developed countries these scandals are reported while in Muslim religious countries these are concealed under the heavy seal of dictatorships and monarchies.

Even in Church which is again a religious institution and not secular there are so many sex scandals. Secularism has nothing to with sex or sex scandals. This is an individual act which cant be controlled neither by religion nor by its absence.

[Alchemist]

I wouldn't call such peolpe even a bit educated, even if they know the whole geography, technology....
Learning to use a knife without learning what for to use it - what kind of education is that?
these are ignorant people with a sick ego

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And what makes you think education can cure "sick egos"?

Are you a psychologist? Did you figure out how to fix the problems of Prison systems now?

Maybe it's religion ...or tougher Punishments to deter them. Punishment that would bring them PAIN.


Do you have children?

[Tjanaparh]

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And what makes you think education can cure "sick egos"?

Are you a psychologist? Did you figure out how to fix the problems of Prison systems now?

Maybe it's religion ...or tougher Punishments to deter them. Punishment that would bring them PAIN.


Do you have children?

I am not a psychologist, and I do not want to be one.
I do not think figuring out prisoners problems is easy- it is close to impossible.
Education starts in young age - and more time passes more it is difficult.
I have no children, but I worked in an Orphanage, I worked with many children .
Deter can belief - but that is part of education and knowledge.

[thegood]

There was one grand-son Imam Hassan of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) who married and divorced 70 women in a row. It earned him the title of "THE GREAT DIVORCER". The institutions of slaves, slave or sex girls, cancubanage, etc. unfortunately is associated with medeival history of Muslim period to the extent that sometimes it sounds as if all this has been religiously sanctioned.

[thegood]

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]

The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.

Al-Umm, 5/43.

The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.

And Allaah knows best.

[unknownprince]

Secular/atheist societies appear to be terming pedophilia as a mental sickness to be treated, not as a crime. http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/pedophilia.htm

This is one of the major reasons it is so widespread throughout the US and the West. Child porn is increasingly seen as art. Dakota Fanning ( a once child actress at the time) was made to star in a sex scene despite her young age, and this was a Hollywood movie. This is an example of child porn marketed to the Hollywood audience, It appears that athiest secular societies encourage and condone this. Is Dakota Fanning in kiddie porn? - Slate Magazine

So the facts speak more than the thoughts

[JAMALUDEEN]

Secular/atheist societies appear to be terming pedophilia as a mental sickness to be treated, not as a crime. http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/pedophilia.htm

This is one of the major reasons it is so widespread throughout the US and the West. Child porn is increasingly seen as art. Dakota Fanning ( a once child actress at the time) was made to star in a sex scene despite her young age, and this was a Hollywood movie. This is an example of child porn marketed to the Hollywood audience, It appears that athiest secular societies encourage and condone this. Is Dakota Fanning in kiddie porn? - Slate Magazine

So the facts speak more than the thoughts

The rise and fall of Tasmanian MP Terry Martin

[thegood]

Islamic haters bring these kind of comments. refer to this hadith of the Rasul of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam): "There shall be no harm nor the causing of harm" [Musnad Ahmad, authenticated by Shaykh al-Bani - rahimahullah]. From this the 'ulama have concluded that it is forbidden to harm anyone by any means - given that they are not enemies of Islam and are in state of war with Muslims.

Now, the female slaves are properties of their master; hence, it is not allowed for the master to harm them by any mean, whether it is hitting them lightly, without any legitimate shari'ah reason, or forcing them to answer their call to bed. As far as I know, just like a wife, a slave woman will be sinning if she doesn't answer her master's call to bed without any legitimate shari'ah excuse: menstruating, sick, or she will be harmed physically or physiologically. However, it doesn't mean that her master can force her to answer his call to bed.

Slaves (men and women) may be taken in the wars that take place between Muslims and kaafirs, not in wars that are fought amongst the Muslims at times of tribulation.
Islam limited the sources of slaves which existed before the mission of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to just one source, namely slavery resulting from capturing prisoners from among the kuffaar, including women and children.

Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The reason why a person may be taken as a slave is his being a kaafir and waging war against Allah and His Messenger. If Allah enables the Muslims who are striving and sacrificing their lives and their wealth and all that Allah has given them to make the word of Allah supreme over the kaafirs, then He allows them to enslave the kuffaar when they capture them, unless the ruler chooses to free them or to ransom them, if that serves the interests of the Muslims.

First of all it is very hard to find slave woman in sharia sense in todays time because muslim are on defence rather on offence. And if u know u can only have non-muslim slave if they accept islam than they should be freed. Muslim cant own a muslim slave if that slave is taken from booty of war. And woman can be only slave if she participated in war, in some rare cases where the punishment is on whole tribe it happend once in time of prophet. But thats the maximum punishment. And Islam encourages to free slave and there is lot of reward for that.

The nobler and more human thing would be giving the daughters, sisters, wives, etc. of the fallen enemy the choice to be free or captivity of the conqueror. Was such option provided to the poor infidel women that later became slave-girls?

There is a saying that what you sow so shall you reap. Imagine had the Westerners that conquered all Muslim lands in 18th and 19th centuries meted out the same treatment to Muslim women, how would have that sounded?

That is why there should be rules of the game fair to all irrespective of religion or sects.

The problem is, when you point out such things, some extremists become violent and try to eliminate you. Rational thinking is past is past and let us move ahead.

[faye]

Its not about who does what. We are not talking about individual, we are talking about the secular lot who support such things and striving hard to defend it and spread it and legalise it. This is ironic.

well the good and the bad news guys, is that the latest fad in the west is polyamory. apparently, according to news reports. this is the next immoral disgusting blasphemy, to be put on the 'must legalise' list. more than one marraige partner!!! men having more than one wife...the good news lol/ women having more than one husband...hahaha.. the bad news (for you guys)

[graveyardofempires]

well the good and the bad news guys, is that the latest fad in the west is polyamory. apparently, according to news reports. this is the next immoral disgusting blasphemy, to be put on the 'must legalise' list. more than one marraige partner!!! men having more than one wife...the good news lol/ women having more than one husband...hahaha.. the bad news (for you guys)

so is faye gonna marry a gang of bikers?

[MohannaD]

The ... greed that I have seen in .......

Why do you generalize ??? How many Arabs or Muslims have you seen ? And I mean face to face not through youtube or online .