The Immorality of Child Abuse

[faye]

since when is alchemist the expert on female maturity, jamaludeen? i have been reading that physically, young womens bodies are ready to reproduce at around 17/18. possibly, emotionally, at a later age. men would have to be later, emotionally and mentally, lol.

[IamDZJ]

forbid us like you have forbidden yourself? i am 24 brother alchemist. i am sorry for not living up to your expectations by being a grandmother by now. could you find it in your heart to forgive me?? please??

Our imaginary daughters are ok for you to talk about your out of bounds?

You define the wordy "batty". i don't want to.

"There are only 2 types of girls that get married young: retards and desperados...good girls are like me" Its called a FALSE DICHOTOMY! (google it...you are arguing with guys here...not your blonde hairdresser so I'd appreciate it if you could avoid the fallacies) i don't have a hair dresser so stop generalizing blondes. i never said anyone should be like me.

"You make it sound like 13 year olds will have sex with 200 men if they aren't married off young. Those girls are from a dysfunctional society....Afghanistan is a dysfunctional society...BUT the girls there don't want to get married...unless they are retards or desperados". yeah because the definition of the word a "dysfunctional" society is limited to producing teenagers who end up at jerry springer's show. i am being sarcastic there so don't use that against me in your next argument.

We should make a wall for you - Bibi DaZahrooJam's Wise Sayings: "Human brain isn't developed until 25 years of age"..
shut up
LOL

Yours maybe...

But regurlar folks can think critically and abstractly by age 11+... yeah?? why weren't you married when you were 11 then?

you looney toon..

The point of the video was to show you that INDEPEDENTED minded 13 year old girls CAN and DO choose to be with men. Maybe...JUST maybe if they were from a dysfunctional society...they could be married off to a man...of their own choosing ...maybe he'll be 38 like Celine Dion's husband. And start a family...
i am starting to wonder if you are terrorized by the idea of being rejected by women who are adults and able to think on their own...yeah..that can explain lots of things.
You keep pulling crap out of thin air without any reference...where do you get all this from anyway? "Cosmopolitin"? what is a reference?? something that has been confirmed by someone else out there? you don't need a reference to verify what is common sense.

kate middleston's friend's orgy party
bestiality
pornography
jerry springer's show
cosmopolitan
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quite an interesting collection of references you have there buddy..where do you find the time to keep up with all these references? or do you keep a tag on your favorite subjects?

[Alchemist]

[IamDZJ]

no

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

You can tell which person is absolitely clueless when it comes to women. I am reading the posts in this thread in disbelief

[unknownprince]

Alchemist and DZJ

Please take the conversation elsewhere. While Alchemist does touch on the original article, DZJ does not
Hence, I do not appreciate the derailing of this important discussion, and would like most of the irrelevant discussion deleted from here.

And Amir, do not take offense, but my original thread title and the purpose of this is to discuss the linkage between atheism and pedophilia

pedophiles exist everywhere and in all faiths, but the articles and videos shed light on this trend that exists.

No where in the original article or videos is Afghanistan or Pashtuns even mentioned,

To all

Do not derail this thread with irrelevant posts as it is a violation of forum rules

[IamDZJ]

prove to me that you actually exist and that you are not just a fragment of my imagination.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

^ the word youre looking for is figment

[IamDZJ]

another chunk of my imagination.

[Alchemist]

^ Well...I am sure you are the ladies man





I think I read somewhere Soldout Khamir saying that the difference between the west and Afghanistan is that in the west the abused children are taken care...

Well read this buddy:

Barbara Farris | Family Courts Allow Sexual Abuse for Profit in PORN (Part 1)

The following summaries are a few selected samples of real California Family Law cases (catogorized by county), in which children are taken away from safe parents, and forced to live with abusive parents. Is this becasue the abuser is offered money to film his sexual abuse against the child so the judicial system gets a kick back? All involved would be local police, judges, children services, attorneys and even medical examiners.
You decide after reading the following, is $8 billion a year worth this type of corruption.

Los Angeles/Orange County (Torrance)

Born in 1988, this little girl was placed in the custody of her mother when she was five years old, seeing her violent father only in the presence of a court monitor. When she was seven, she was forced to see her father without a supervisor, and reported to professionals that he was sexually and physically abusing her. The abuse was corroborated by medical evidence. She had a cluster of symptoms indicative of sexual abuse including nightmares, night terrors, enuresis, encopresis, excessive fears of her mother dying, depression, suicide attempt, eating disorder, extreme dissociation, intense anger, flashbacks, physical pains, headaches, insomnia, nausea, diarrhea, constipation, stomach aches, and a learning disability. Rather than protecting her, Judge F. granted primary custody to her father. In Utah, where her mother had moved, physical and sexual abuse was substantiated and she received complete court protection. However, California regained jurisdiction and placed her with the father. The child, now 11, is only able to see her non-offending mother for 8 hours per month under supervised conditions.

Born in 1990, this child made graphic disclosures of rape by his father, including group sex, to physicians, therapists, and detectives. He had a cluster of symptoms indicative of sexual abuse including sexualized behavior, depression, suicide attempt, eating disorder, extreme dissociation, intense anger, physical pains, headaches, insomnia, nausea, diarrhea, constipation, stomach aches, learning disability and attention problems. CPS did not protect him. The child’s attorney did not represent the child’s wishes. Despite saying that he wanted to live with his mother, he was forced to live with his identified perpetrator who then moved to Boston. He is rarely allowed to see his mother, and only with a supervisor.

Born in 1989, this child was taken from his mother after he disclosed that his father beat him when he was 4 years old. There was medical evidence of abuse. The child had a cluster of symptoms indicative of sexual abuse, including sexualized behaviors, depression, intense anger, nightmares and night terrors, headaches, stomach aches, bladder problems and enuresis, diarrhea, phobias, and attention problems. The boy stated he wanted to live with his mother, and instead was forced to live with his father. The child’s attorney does not represent the wishes of the child. The non-offending mother has spent approximately $85,000 and must represent herself in court.

Los Angeles (Long Beach and Concord)

This four-year-old child lived with his mother and 3 brothers in Long Beach after his parents separated in 1997. When the mother decided to move to Northern California, the judge ordered the child delivered to Southern California every week for visits in 1998. An evaluator recommended a change of custody to the father, despite the mother complying with the visitation schedule.

Los Angeles County

This two-year-old girl disclosed sexual abuse by father, and was given to identified abuser. The mother is on supervised visits.

These small children were placed in the custody of their mother when they were nearly one and two years old. Their violent father was ordered to take a parenting class. A year later they were taken away from their mother and forced to live with their father. The judge stated he was only interested in the mother’s “alienation” (the mother was breast-feeding), and ignored police reports of the father’s domestic violence and history of DUI’s. The unemployed mother is ordered to pay child support of over $1200 per month to the multi-millionaire Israeli father (who obtained a green card through their marriage). The toddlers are being raised to speak only Hebrew and are only allowed scant contact with their mother, who cannot afford an attorney.

Sacramento County

This boy, born in 1990, was placed in the custody of his mother after to his parents divorce, with overnight visits with his father. When he was less than two years old, he began reporting on-going sodomy by his father. He had a cluster of symptoms indicative of sexual abuse, including rectal bleeding, nightmares, night terrors, enuresis, encopresis, sexualized behavior, depression, extreme dissociation, intense anger, flashbacks, physical pains, insomnia, diarrhea, and stomach aches. The child disclosed the abuse to 5 teachers, family physician, therapists, police, family and friends. There were over 62 reports of suspected abuse in 7 years. Child Protective Services investigated and substantiated 7 reports of child sex abuse. The child wrote and talked to the judge, asking to live with his mother and grandmother. Instead, the court repeatedly placed him in the custody of his identified perpetrator. He called 911 for help from his father’s house, and his therapist called the police to help him, and was put into expensive private foster care, rather than with his non-offending mother. He was able to stay with his mother while she was dying. Four months after her death, he was forcibly removed from his non-offending grandmother’s care by armed police. He was placed in expensive foster care again for over six months, and is now forced by Juvenile Court to live with his identified perpetrator permanently. The child’s attorneys did not represent his wishes, and functioned as de facto attorneys for the accused perpetrator

California
My son was born out of a relationship with a man I hardly knew. I married him due to the pregnancy and over the next several months found out that he had a secret drug life, he was a pathological liar, had an obsession with perverted pornography, main anal sex (which he manically downloaded from the internet, constantly asked me for, but I always refused) and that the veneer of his life was all a lie. He didn’t like to or want to work. His parents still supported him to a large degree in his late 30′s.
When my son was only 1 1/2 I threw my ex out for the final time. He went into a drug program because I believed he was advised by his parents and perhaps others that he would lose custody of my son if he did not. A mediator advised that as long as he was in the program and clean and sober, I should give him the custody because the court would anyway, and looking like the alienating parent was not a good move in California divorce court, but that when he went back to his drugs, which was predictable, I could move forward in court at that time.
In the meantime, he had began behaving sexually inappropriately with my son, with the behavior escalating over time until my son was coming home putting objects up his anus and trying to put objects up other children’s anus’, incessantly licking things like he was performing felatio, and coming home very emotionally disturbed from the visits. When asked where he learned that, he would respond “Daddy.” He was speech delayed. The situation got worse, when my ex started beating him to both keep him quiet and I believe now to terrorize me. He was also giving my son drugs/toxic substances which made him very sick. The court had ordered that he be drug tested upon my request. This triggered a mission to punish/terrorize me through my son, and to satisfy his own addictive-perverted sexual needs through the child, who to him, was an extension of me. His goals were to get custody away from me, to control the child, and get child support from me. I am a doctor.
For the purpose of consolodating this story, I was sent to prison, after being railroaded by the Napa court, having my money embezzled through the court and placed in my ex’s lawyers trust fund while I was denied my own money for counsel. I have been denied all visitation. The child,s attorney suppressed evidence my attorney had given to protect my son. The police prosecuted me and suppressed an emergency room medical report calling markings on my son child abuse. Court transcripts were changed to cover up the abuse. I’ve lost my 12-year medical business, my beautiful home, many of my friends who think police officers and judges are honest and really were unable to deal with this situation year after year. But, this is nothing compared to the fact that my son has not been in my life since 2005, and is in the hands of an abusive father. The child’s attorney reports that my son, now 10 1/2, still goes into his father’s bed, has difficulty sleeping at night and is in pain at night from an injury he got while I was serving my prison term. I have photos of my son with a rope around his neck, an activity that took place while he was with his father.
My son and I still have no justice in California.

Amador County, California
In 1993, I ended an 8 year marriage because of my husband’s admitted abuse of the children and me, which included a brutal physical assault on one son.
In 1996, my two daughters (ages 7 & 4) disclosed that their father had been sexually abusing them during court ordered visits, which included acts of rape, sodomy, oral copulation, being shown child pornography, and being forced to re-enact the sex acts depicted. These disclosures were corroborated by the disclosures of their brother (aged 9), physical evidence of penetration in one child, the report of an independent eye witness to the father’s sexual assault of that same child, and raw data test results of the father’s psychological evaluation that matched the test results of 710 incarcerated pedophiles in 9 different studies with 99.98% accuracy. I was found mentally, emotionally, and psychologically healthy in testing and had an impeccable social history.
Although law enforcement substantiated the sexual abuse, the father was not criminally prosecuted and the issue of the children’s safety was relinquished to the family court. The children’s therapists declared to the court that the children would be in danger in their father’s care and fought for their protection.
The court appointed custody evaluator/psychologist disregarded the father’s history of domestic violence, refused to investigate the sexual abuse of the children, alleged that I had coached the children to lie about the abuse due to “parental alienation syndrome,” and recommended the father have sole custody. In a custody trial, the attorney appointed to represent the children filed, and was granted, a motion to suppress all the evidence of the father’s history of domestic violence and child sexual abuse. The evaluator stated in testimony, “Anything the children’s therapists would tell me about them being sexually abused, I would completely ignore.” The children were immediately placed in the father’s sole custody and were prohibited from contact with me, their brothers, and the rest of their maternal family, followed months later by an order limiting them to one hour of supervised visits per week with me only.
The custody evaluator was disciplined by the State Board of Psychology for bias and gross negligence in the case. The judge was removed from the case and was disciplined by the State Commission on Judicial Performance for biased and unlawful conduct. Despite these State findings and disciplinary actions, the family court refused to correct its errors and return custody to me.
In 2003, my son ran away from his father and came home to live with me. He disclosed years of continued abuse of him and his sisters by their father to both CPS and the family court. CPS refused to intervene, and the family court refused to correct its errors and return custody of my daughters to me.
In 2007, I won an appeal. The appellate court instructed the trial court to hear evidence of continued paternal sexual abuse and my son’s testimony about his father’s history of custodial interference and constant attempts to destroy the mother/child relationship. At a new trial, the judge announced that he “didn’t have to” respect the appellate court instruction and ordered my daughters to remain in the custody of their offender. My children were “sentenced to life” with their abuser. Their childhoods were stolen. Our lives were completely destroyed by the family court.

After investigating a couple cases in California, we found that the judges, police, local lawyers, children services, doctors and anyone associated to a custody case involving sexual abuse led to child pornography. Now as we obtained evidence and built our case. I have been attacked through blogs. I was out of town to find everything, I mean everything in my home was taken including case files and evidence of this corruption. My family threatened as well as my self. I have pulled away from the mothers to protect them due to our findings. I will now fight this corruption under ground and we will speak loudly for the mothers who have lost there children for financial gain in the porn industry. A billion dollar industry I might add..
This must be exposed and we must have all the American people sand for these mothers and the children who are being victimized. A National Stand off between the American people who want stand for this any longer and the Family Court System!

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

another chunk of my imagination.

The Amir is simply trying to better your english. He supports the education of Pashtun women.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

Alchemist you are an otherwise intelligent man making some very ignorant points in this thread. You seem to think we are stuck between the extremes of the West and the East and that a criticism for the latter is a co sign of the former.

You know very well that when it comes to protection of children the West is infinitely better than the East. Our objective should be retain elements of our culture which are good, with elements of the West which are good to create the best society we can

your arguments re the 13 yr old girl hypothetic is borderline psychotic. You know better than that

[BarakzaiAbdali]

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You're Sixteen, You're Beautiful (And You're Mine) Johnny Burnette - YouTube[/URL]

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[BarakzaiAbdali]

Shout out to Alchemist and the Amir (adults only):

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[Amir al Ghaznavi]

Rick James - 17 - YouTube